Magic @ Kings Game Thread

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Our problem is that we get excited when out center gets 10 rebounds.

I'd like to clear up a little misconception:

Brad Miller is ranked 13th among starting centers in rebounds per game, which, while hardly great, is somewhere slightly above average, and not actually "bad" as some people seem inclined to believe. There seems to be some faulty paradigm among some people that the role of primary rebounder falls on the center, which, in the post-Wilt era, has not been the case, but rather to the power forward.

The league-wide average for rebounds per game for starting centers is 7.45 and Miller averages 7.80. I have no interest in trying to cover up any of the faults that he actually has (most notably shot blocking, which actually *is* primarily the center's responsibility), but Miller's so-called deficiency as a rebounder is not where we're weak as a team.

Howard had at least 18 but that is normal.

Howard is the Magic's power forward; how many rebounds did our power forward have? Their center is Tony Battie; How many did *he* have?

I don't want to make other contributions insignificant - I really don't...

No offense, but one could hardly tell, if one were to read a typical piksi post.

... They are more than welcome. they only matter if "main guys" bring it - in this case - the main guy.

If *anybody* brings it and we win, it matters.

 

[GoGoGadget]

yay!

we won!

Of course we did, I was there.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Of course we did, I was there.

So, that's why Teko missed all his shots; wasn't looking at the court?

 

[HndsmCelt]

Of course we did, I was there.

You really need to go to more games!

 

[GoGoGadget]

So, that's why Teko missed all his shots; wasn't looking at the court?

I'd love to take credit for that, but my seats weren't THAT good.

I'm probably getting tickets to Thursday's game as well, so hopefully we can mark down another win.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'd like to clear up a little misconception:

Brad Miller is ranked 13th among starting centers in rebounds per game, which, while hardly great, is somewhere slightly above average, and not actually "bad" as some people seem inclined to believe. There seems to be some faulty paradigm among some people that the role of primary rebounder falls on the center, which, in the post-Wilt era, has not been the case, but rather to the power forward.

The league-wide average for rebounds per game for starting centers is 7.45 and Miller averages 7.80. I have no interest in trying to cover up any of the faults that he actually has (most notably shot blocking, which actually *is* primarily the center's responsibility), but Miller's so-called deficiency as a rebounder is not where we're weak as a team.

Howard is the Magic's power forward; how many rebounds did our power forward have? Their center is Tony Battie; How many did *he* have?

No offense, but one could hardly tell, if one were to read a typical piksi post.

If *anybody* brings it and we win, it matters.

Slim...shame on you. Brad also leads all NBA centers in minutes this year, which is why his per game rebounding is even remotely respectable. Per minute though he's 72nd out of 98 centers. It has NOT been good. Or even average. He went through a good spell back there in December, but had fallen back off until tonight's solid job.

 

[SacTownKid]

Slim...shame on you. Brad also leads all NBA centers in minutes this year, which is why his per game rebounding is even remotely respectable. Per minute though he's 72nd out of 98 centers. It has NOT been good. Or even average. He went through a good spell back there in December, but had fallen back off until tonight's solid job.

Per minute I'd take Jamal Sampson over any other C in the league. The guy is a stud. 2 rebounds in only 3.5 minutes! That is hall of fame material right there!

 

[Bricklayer]

Put another way, Brad per48:

03-04: 13.6
04-05: 12.0
05-06: 10.2

Career: 12.9


Going the wrong way here...

 

[6th]

Put another way, Brad per48:

03-04: 13.6
04-05: 12.0
05-06: 10.2

Career: 12.9


Going the wrong way here...

That sucks. I'm with SacTownKid. Play Sampson. I hate those per 48 min stats.

 

[SacTownKid]

Put another way, Brad per48:

03-04: 13.6
04-05: 12.0
05-06: 10.2

Career: 12.9


Going the wrong way here...

What were his stats before he got to Sac?

 

[Kings113]

If *anybody* brings it and we win, it matters.

Exactly.

 

[Kings113]

Don't know if I'd call an eked out win against a terrible team missing its best player on our home floor "good". But it was a "must". There is no more teasing though. Games like tonight, like Houston, should not be lost by any team in the league, and we barely pulled them out. They're just a baseline as to whether you even bother tuning in to the next game. Now Phoenix, far far from unbeatable and missing their best player too. But that would be a good win. An actual victory over an opponent who we probably shouldn't really beat.

Yeah.

But not what I meant, I meant it was good to win this after the Hornets game.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Put another way, Brad per48:

03-04: 13.6
04-05: 12.0
05-06: 10.2

Career: 12.9


Going the wrong way here...

I stand corrected.

The per-48 doesn't bother me as much as how he does compared to his counterpart for a given game. That being said, he's still bad, having been outrebounded by the opposing center seventeen times, but eleven of those came in the first twenty games, so maybe it just took him some time to warm up; Miller's not exactly known for his rigorous offseason workout program...

 

[BawLa]

What were his stats before he got to Sac?

Adelman plays him too many minutes because of his passing and shooting abilities. So he is more tired, and therefore he does not have the energy to rebound. He also is not that athletic but Slim is right, the PF is the key player.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

What were his stats before he got to Sac?

Brad Miller's rebounds per game, pre-SAC: 6.87
Brad Miller's rebounds per 48, pre-SAC: 13.32

Per minute I'd take Jamal Sampson over any other C in the league. The guy is a stud. 2 rebounds in only 3.5 minutes! That is hall of fame material right there!

Jamal Sampson is averaging 27.43 rebounds per 48 minutes.

 

[Bricklayer]

What were his stats before he got to Sac?

That's why I put up the career numbers (overall career, not just Sac). But Slim broke it out further into just pre-Sac career (13.2).

So in Sac, in his first year rebounded as well as he always had. Then really fell off last year into mediocrity for a center, and then this year...not sure what happened. In two years goes from a very solid, even borderline good center rebounder to a quite bad one. Odd. Could the injuries actually be aging him prematurely + slowing him down (scary thought -- he might just stop one day).

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Also...

Using the Hollinger formula to determine rebound rate, as detailed below:

Rebound % = 100 * ((PlReb * TmMin) / (PlMin * (TmReb +OppReb)))

Where:

PlReb = Total Player’s rebounds
TmReb = Total Team’s rebounds
OppReb = Total Opponent’s rebounds
TmMin = Total Team’s minutes
PlMin = Total Player’s minutes


In this case, for Sacramento Kings Center Brad Miller (through the first 35 games):

PlReb = 273
TmReb = 1379
OppReb = 1486
TmMin = 8400^
PlMin = 1289


So, entering those numbers (rounding to three decimal places), we get:

Rebound %	= 100 * ((273 * 8400) / (1289 * (1379 +1486)))
		= 100 * (2293200 / (1289 * 2865))
		= 100 * (2293200 / 3692985)
		= 100 * 0.621
		= 62.1%



^ – TmMin number derived from total games (35) * total minutes per game (240)

So, according to that formula, Miller's rebound rate is just over 62%. I don't know where that ranks among centers; maybe someone with ESPN Insider can look that up for me.

 

[piksi]

; Miller's not exactly known for his rigorous offseason workout program...

He is not exacly known to play past February either

 

[Jerryaki]

So, according to that formula, Miller's rebound rate is just over 62%. I don't know where that ranks among centers; maybe someone with ESPN Insider can look that up for me.

just because you have that ridiculously cool mos y menos icon, i looked it up.

our mr. miller ranks 63 in rebound rate. guess who's in the top 40. C-Webb. the top 15? Greg Ostertag!

Spectacular!

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Is that for the whole NBA?

 

[Jerryaki]

Is that for the whole NBA?

ah, forgot the filter. brad miller is 37th among centers.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Eh, still not very good, but better than the per-48 would indicate.