I think your overrating Love, just my opinion. Def not worth the proposed trades.
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And, besides, we need defense first in ou new starters, SG and PF/C. We also need offense but defense first. Before talking about Love or Anderson, get a defensive SG. Defense first then offence. Practicality has to rule here, get something good at some position. Good hunting, Vlade.
ockingsfan
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I don't think Kevin Love is what the Kings need.
WCS perfectly comliments DMC. A Defensive workhorse to balance out the front court. Having Love would be redundant with DMC.
What the Kings need is a STUD in the backcourt. What the Kings need is the "outside" to DMC's "inside" game.
The Kings are missing that dominant backcourt running mate for DMC. Either it has to come in the form of a new SG or PG, but the Kings don't need another ball dominant big man.
Give me Kris Dunn, Buddy Heild, or Jamal Murray at the #8 spot and we have a potentially explosive backcourt compliment to DMC front court dominance.
That is what the Kings needs to balance out the roster and make the playoffs for years to come.
WCS perfectly comliments DMC. A Defensive workhorse to balance out the front court. Having Love would be redundant with DMC.
What the Kings need is a STUD in the backcourt. What the Kings need is the "outside" to DMC's "inside" game.
The Kings are missing that dominant backcourt running mate for DMC. Either it has to come in the form of a new SG or PG, but the Kings don't need another ball dominant big man.
Give me Kris Dunn, Buddy Heild, or Jamal Murray at the #8 spot and we have a potentially explosive backcourt compliment to DMC front court dominance.
That is what the Kings needs to balance out the roster and make the playoffs for years to come.
How about drafting, say Murray or maybe it's Dunn or Brown or Hield.....signing Anderson as the 3rd big in the rotation, a guy who can stretch the floor when we need that. Maybe trade a remaining piece or 2 on a defensive oriented SG .......Murray, Ryan Anderson, Koufos for short minutes, defensive SG off bench.....wouldn't that be something to get excited about?
I don't think Kevin Love is what the Kings need.
WCS perfectly comliments DMC. A Defensive workhorse to balance out the front court. Having Love would be redundant with DMC.
What the Kings need is a STUD in the backcourt. What the Kings need is the "outside" to DMC's "inside" game.
The Kings are missing that dominant backcourt running mate for DMC. Either it has to come in the form of a new SG or PG, but the Kings don't need another ball dominant big man.
Give me Kris Dunn, Buddy Heild, or Jamal Murray at the #8 spot and we have a potentially explosive backcourt compliment to DMC front court dominance.
That is what the Kings needs to balance out the roster and make the playoffs for years to come.
Willie may be a perfect complement with Cu z but not as a starter this year. He needs the experience where can continue to improve his game. Not ready to take off his training wheels quite yet.
bajaden
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Iced Espresso
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If I'm Cleveland I think I ask for WCS, that's the only thing I'd want from us besides maybe McLemore if Smith's contract oddity becomes an issue.
It's possible they may want KK from the previous trade rumors as well.
I'm gonna have to disagree that they won't want or demand WCS, but Love's value overall has decreased. I don't believe it has decreased as much as you think, even with the premium salary he is due.
How do you think I'm overrating Love? I'm curious. In his last year at Minnesota, he put up 26pts 12.5rebs 4.4asts per game... they won 40 games that season.
He's a star, and still is a top 5 PF. If you think Love's numbers are baseless, then what would it say about Cousins' numbers? Love was a dominant beast at Minnesota.
In Cleveland, they've pushed him into this distant 3rd scorer into a role of Ryan Anderson. It's like limiting Cousins to a Greg Monroe-type role.
Bricklayer
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We'll see. I think Love's name is dirt right now and Cleveland will be lowballed because everybody knows that Love has a $40 million a year contract for them because of the tax. I do think teams at the bottom will want him, but nobody is going to count on him after two years of this. Not saying that is right. Nonetheless.
Obviously any proposal to go after him starts with the idea that his value has brought him down within manageable get level for us. n Like Rudy/KK/Ben level. Don't know why Cleveland would want a kid anyway. We've long been obsesses with them, but when your franchise guy is a 13 year vet a kid is nearly worthless.
IfAt1st
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If we could add KLove without sacrificing much (other than the staggering salary he is due), it would be worthwhile to look into.
But if we'd have to sacrifice almost all our tradeable assets (including our #2 player!), AND have to pay him his huge contract, it's a no-brainer not to try for him.
But if we'd have to sacrifice almost all our tradeable assets (including our #2 player!), AND have to pay him his huge contract, it's a no-brainer not to try for him.
Sac.1989
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we were keen on going for Gasol at the deadline and Love is a younger Gasol more or less.
I am intrigued very much so with how love and cousins would work together. Im more in favour of defense but that being said Love is absolutely a solid talent and is more than obtainable. I dont give up Rudy though to get him and WCS is out of the question
I am intrigued very much so with how love and cousins would work together. Im more in favour of defense but that being said Love is absolutely a solid talent and is more than obtainable. I dont give up Rudy though to get him and WCS is out of the question
Giving up a package of Gay, pick at 8 and Koufos leaves us thin on overall talent with holes at SG AND SF to fill. I don't believe Love would be worth that. I'd rather have a Gay and Anderson and pick at 8 for the new coach to work with. You got Boogie and WCS with Anderson off the bench, I'd like to see Gay with Joerger, I suspect he will be a better fit with him than with Karl. Add the pick to start building the bench and then figure out the SG spot.
Boogie primary scorer, Gay the 2 nd option and Anderson the 3rd option.....start adding defensive pieces around them as they already started that with WCS and then hopefully the draft pick. That's the way I see it.
ockingsfan
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Agreed.
No way WCS wouldn't go in a trade for Kevin Love. I would not do it.
We need to balance this roster with defense and better shooting and a lot better Guard play.
Reserve our assets (#8 pick, Rudy Gay, KK) to make a major upgrade in the back court and get a STUD Guard to compliment DMC. Our front court is fine.
twslam07
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Just shocked at some kings fans perceptions of the rest of the league...Collison & #8 for #5? Would trade for Love without Gay & WCS?
This isn't NBA2k. We have to give up value to get something back in return. Cleveland will have plenty callers about Love. His value is not going to be diminished to a Koufos/ McLemore/Collison package as some of you are making it out to seem...
This isn't NBA2k. We have to give up value to get something back in return. Cleveland will have plenty callers about Love. His value is not going to be diminished to a Koufos/ McLemore/Collison package as some of you are making it out to seem...
whozit
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You seem to be willing to give up the farm. I would not. There is a price I would be willing to pay for love AND it's probably not enough. As others of said, you don't want to plug one hole while creating three more.
How motivated if at all will Cleveland be to deal if they fail mightily in the finals? How eager will other teams be to deal with AND help Cleveland?
If they fail, Cleveland won't have a lot of wiggle room to improve.
No PO team is touching Love after he's been killed by any extensive P&R action. And Cleveland will be under pressure, since LeBron is not getting younger, and Love does nothing to improve Cavs' chances for get to the promised land.
twslam07
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You have no way of knowing that. Just like I have no idea if they will get calls. His PnR defense gets amplified with Kyrie playing the point. Pair him with a better defending PG and knowing he put up great numbers before coming to CLE and I'm fairly confident playoff teams would be interested in him. One weakness is not going to prevent teams from pursuing him. He's a net positive when on the floor which means he helps the team more than it hurts when he's out there.
twslam07
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Who said I was willing?
All I said is that people around here think a package not involving at least 1 of 8, WCS, or Gay is enough to get him. To that I say, BS and you need to reassess the value of players that aren't on the Kings.
whozit
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Fair enough. As I said, the price I'm willing to pay is probably not enough. He has value but I'm not sure the Kings can afford the cost. It would require them being highly motivated AND other teams low-balling them. If I'm an Eastern Conference team I'm sure not going to do anything to help them and hope others do likewise. Let Lebron and company implode within.
kingsfan1984
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Our front line is fine in my opinion....our pick, tradable assets, and cap room IMHO need to be used to improve the mix at pg, sg, and sf. Sure if a straight Gay gets it done but much more than that i would say we put ourselves in a weaker amd less flexible position going forward...it is a gamble that Love will return to Minny form and not be a health issue going forward. And as others have stated, the defensive problems get worse with this not better.
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Absolutely I'd do this. I wanted to trade for him a couple years back when Minny was shopping him. And yes, Cavs are not using him correctly because Kyrie is one of the worst playmaking PGs in the game and he and LBJ dominate the usage. There's a reason the Cavs do just as well/if not better with a Frye or RJ; because that's Love's main offensive role.
As far as his defense goes, it's been highlighted with the Cavs because he isn't allowed to dish it back on the offensive end like he used to. Teams might be able to expose him defensively, but he'd be dropping 25-12-4 on you on the other end.
Few caveats though:
1. Can't trade WCS
2. Gay and Rondo would absolutely have to go. The whole point of pairing Love-Cousins is to get them plenty of possessions. So I'd have DC looking something like this:
PG: ??? || Seth
SG: ??? || Marco || Ben
SF: Casspi
PF: Love || WCS
C: Boogie || WCS
Perfectly fine with shopping basically anyone/thing outside of Boogie/WCS/Casspi to get it done
As far as his defense goes, it's been highlighted with the Cavs because he isn't allowed to dish it back on the offensive end like he used to. Teams might be able to expose him defensively, but he'd be dropping 25-12-4 on you on the other end.
Few caveats though:
1. Can't trade WCS
2. Gay and Rondo would absolutely have to go. The whole point of pairing Love-Cousins is to get them plenty of possessions. So I'd have DC looking something like this:
PG: ??? || Seth
SG: ??? || Marco || Ben
SF: Casspi
PF: Love || WCS
C: Boogie || WCS
Perfectly fine with shopping basically anyone/thing outside of Boogie/WCS/Casspi to get it done
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KingMilz
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Jesus Christ the per 36 numbers we would have with him and Cousins would be stuff of legend up there with Malones stint and what if we kept Tyreke
ParniValjak
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Is that really the best you can offer? 
KingsFanSince85
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I said before the Finals began that I don't understand why Cleveland doesn't plant Kevin Love's @$$ down in the post. When they idiotically go small to try to play the Warriors game, having Love as their lone big and planting him in the paint could at least cause some problems for GSW.
While I've never been a big Kevin Love fan, I agree with those saying that he's being misused. Aside from the rebound averages, the biggest telltale sign are the FT attempts. He's averaging about half the attempts. The guy can't dominate the boards and get to the FT line when he's not consistently in the paint.
Having said that, I don't like him for the Kings simply because of defense. We're trying to improve in that area and Love comes nowhere close to accomplishing that. Also, I don't know that he'd fit well with Cousins who is best when he's near the paint as well. Although the thought of dominating the boards and the having 2 bigs that can really pass is certainly intriguing .....
While I've never been a big Kevin Love fan, I agree with those saying that he's being misused. Aside from the rebound averages, the biggest telltale sign are the FT attempts. He's averaging about half the attempts. The guy can't dominate the boards and get to the FT line when he's not consistently in the paint.
Having said that, I don't like him for the Kings simply because of defense. We're trying to improve in that area and Love comes nowhere close to accomplishing that. Also, I don't know that he'd fit well with Cousins who is best when he's near the paint as well. Although the thought of dominating the boards and the having 2 bigs that can really pass is certainly intriguing .....
ParniValjak
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While I like some aspects of the fit (passing, rebounding, shooting) I do have my concerns with the defense and even with the offense in that can you really have a very good team if you have two 20ppg scorers coming from your C and PF positions?
It does help that both Cousins and Love can shoot the 3 but both are more effective close to the basket.
It does help that both Cousins and Love can shoot the 3 but both are more effective close to the basket.
King Baller
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I do think Love is being wasted in Cleveland. Lebron, Kyrie and Thompson all need to play in the painted area so Love is turned into more of perimeter Big. If you could get him without spending all your assets then you think about it. But the Kings are in dire need of wing defense and 3 point shooting so some assets need to be used for that.
If I squint really hard the duo of Cousins and Love looks a little like Vlade and Webber. That might be something to build around....1A and 1B Bigs...HHMmmm.
If I squint really hard the duo of Cousins and Love looks a little like Vlade and Webber. That might be something to build around....1A and 1B Bigs...HHMmmm.
Yes....let Love anchor the bench scoring. Cleveland's defense was outstanding last game.....let it roll again
