Lottery Position (we are 10th)

[SacTownKid]

And yet all of those guys probably have a higher high end than Splitter (as well as likely a lower low end). Could very well be one of those tests of how safe Geoff wants to play it. Still think the way to go might be to trade up and get a guy we really want rather than settle for #10 and do the passive "best player available" bit again.

I think Hawes is more Vlade Divac than Brad Miller. I think his higher end is higher than the other three, but Splitter is very interesting.

The thing about Splitter I didn't realize until I saw him play is that this guy can block shots. He just rarely does so because he kind of plays like a 7 foot Ron Artest, it's all about position and pressuring the ball.

 

[Bricklayer]

One thing I don't get is people look at Hibbert and say "he's big and kinda slow and he'll never succeed" but they don't consider the fact he can block shots and he has an excellent post game. You slow down teams like the Warriors and Suns by posting them up and getting high percentage shots so they have to inbound it instead of running off a rebound and that takes time.

Names keep kicking in my head, on the downside:

Hibbert: is he Brendan Haywood? Erick Dampier?
Hawes: is he Vlade/Miller? Brezec?
Splitter: PJ Brown? Pollard? Varejao?
Conley: Kenny Anderson? Carlos Arroyo? Or just one of the bazillion shooting impaired little PGs who bounce around the league?

 

[sactownfan]

i havent heard him compaired with ron artest being that hes 7ft. but now i think bout it i did read about how hes a tough quick defender that gets steals by sticking to people and using his body to set up steals. sorta like when smaller guards or small forwards bump into artest and during the time it takes them to get grounded again he uses his quick hands to slap it away. and yes he does block shots.

also im not saying Hibbert is terrible i would much rather have him over Hawes. but i think that with no coach no system Splinter is the best call. Run or Half court Splinter can play all styles. He's a better athlete and i think that along with people saying hes a smart player and learns fast, in my mind gives him the higher ceiling.

 

[BMiller52]

Names keep kicking in my head, on the downside:

Hibbert: is he Brendan Haywood? Erick Dampier?
Hawes: is he Vlade/Miller? Brezec?
Splitter: PJ Brown? Pollard? Varejao?
Conley: Kenny Anderson? Carlos Arroyo? Or just one of the bazillion shooting impaired little PGs who bounce around the league?

IMO Hibbert will end up being Pat Ewing of the late 90s that averaged between 15-17. He's got a lot of moves in the post and he's developing a jump shot. He's a decent free throw shooter, especially for a big man in college and every now and then I watched him hit a 15 footer. But he has a lot of post moves. IMO his cieling is 15-17/9/3/2

 

[nbrans]

IMO Hibbert will end up being Pat Ewing of the late 90s that averaged between 15-17. He's got a lot of moves in the post and he's developing a jump shot. He's a decent free throw shooter, especially for a big man in college and every now and then I watched him hit a 15 footer. But he has a lot of post moves. IMO his cieling is 15-17/9/3/2

I agree with you -- I think people really undersell his athleticism, and he's really agile in the post. Have people already forgotten how he went toe to toe with Oden and looked pretty good doing it? He's not going to be someone flying up and down the court, but look at what Ilgauskas does with his height -- those extra few inches over seven feet can really make a difference. Hibbert's got that height and he's even more fluid in the post than Z.

Hibbert isn't a flashy pick, but I think he's going to be really solid.

 

[BMiller52]

I agree with you -- I think people really undersell his athleticism, and he's really agile in the post. Have people already forgotten how he went toe to toe with Oden and looked pretty good doing it? He's not going to be someone flying up and down the court, but look at what Ilgauskas does with his height -- those extra few inches over seven feet can really make a difference. Hibbert's got that height and he's even more fluid in the post than Z.

Hibbert isn't a flashy pick, but I think he's going to be really solid.

If he falls and Jianlin/Conley aren't there I would have no problem picking Hibbert. Like you said he's not a flashy pick but he can be a pretty good player, maybe not a superstar/star but a good player. He did pretty well against Oden unlike Noah, so if it's him or someone like Noah/Splitter I'd take Hibbert.

 

[Kingster]

Names keep kicking in my head, on the downside:

Hibbert: is he Brendan Haywood? Erick Dampier?
Hawes: is he Vlade/Miller? Brezec?
Splitter: PJ Brown? Pollard? Varejao?
Conley: Kenny Anderson? Carlos Arroyo? Or just one of the bazillion shooting impaired little PGs who bounce around the league?

One thing about Hawes is that he is no Miller or Divac. He is VERY physical in the post. He is more physical now than Divac or Miller ever were.

 

[Kingster]

IMO Hibbert will end up being Pat Ewing of the late 90s that averaged between 15-17. He's got a lot of moves in the post and he's developing a jump shot. He's a decent free throw shooter, especially for a big man in college and every now and then I watched him hit a 15 footer. But he has a lot of post moves. IMO his cieling is 15-17/9/3/2

Ewing was much more athletic than Hibbert. If we have the 10th pick in a draft that is supposed to be very good, I'm hoping we can get someone with more start potential than Hibbert. I don't see him having the quickness to come from the weak side to block shots, which is what I want from a big man. And he's not fast getting up and down the court. And he's not a great rebounder and I doubt whether he will ever become one. Also, this team is boring as it is. Hibbert would just add to it.

 

[rhythmless]

One thing about Hawes is that he is no Miller or Divac. He is VERY physical in the post. He is more physical now than Divac or Miller ever were.

agreed! a lot of people knock on hawes for the vlade/miller comparisons. its especially bad because of how poor miller has been playing this year. however, ive not seen a post move from miller since god knows when. hawes has a lot of post moves, and he does his work in the box. while id really hope for yi, im thinking hawes might not be as unathletic as everyone may believe.

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

Ewing was much more athletic than Hibbert. If we have the 10th pick in a draft that is supposed to be very good, I'm hoping we can get someone with more start potential than Hibbert. I don't see him having the quickness to come from the weak side to block shots, which is what I want from a big man. And he's not fast getting up and down the court. And he's not a great rebounder and I doubt whether he will ever become one. Also, this team is boring as it is. Hibbert would just add to it.

Ewing after the knee surgery wasn't all that athletic, but still had a great post game. And your're really underrating his defense. He won DPOY

 

[Vlade4GM]

My big problem with hibbert is his stamina and conditioning. Will he even be able to play over 30 mpg?

 

[gunks]

One thing about Hawes is that he is no Miller or Divac. He is VERY physical in the post. He is more physical now than Divac or Miller ever were.

You know, the thought of Brad Miller with a post game doesnt seem that bad at all....Hawes/Williams could be a pretty decent frontcourt in a couple seasons.

 

[SacKings384]

Something about Hibbert just reeks "mediocre" to me...

 

[BawLa]

My big problem with hibbert is his stamina and conditioning. Will he even be able to play over 30 mpg?

Every player that enters the league improves their stamina and conditioning. If he wants to work really hard, then I can see him playing over 30. Which brings me to the question I have about him - what type of person is he? Has he shown a consistent work ethic? He has all of the basic needs to be a great player, but is he the type of person to pull it all together?

 

[Kingster]

agreed! a lot of people knock on hawes for the vlade/miller comparisons. its especially bad because of how poor miller has been playing this year. however, ive not seen a post move from miller since god knows when. hawes has a lot of post moves, and he does his work in the box. while id really hope for yi, im thinking hawes might not be as unathletic as everyone may believe.

Yeah, it's the, "you see one big white man who can't jump, you've seen them all" syndrome. I saw Hawes play against LSU - he was scary. Just tore them apart. I thought LSU was going to raise the white flag. He's a voracious big man who has above average quickness, is tough, mean, and competitive. We could do a lot worse than Hawes. I do not see him as a big man "project".

 

[Kingster]

Ewing after the knee surgery wasn't all that athletic, but still had a great post game. And your're really underrating his defense. He won DPOY

Well, I'm not talking about Ewing after knee surgery. I'm talking about Ewing at draft age, just like this kid. (apples to apples) He was much more athletic than Hibbert. If Hibbert had the quicks to come from the weak side to block a shot in the NBA, he'd sell me. But I don't see it.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Yeah, it's the, "you see one big white man who can't jump, you've seen them all" syndrome. I saw Hibbert play against LSU - he was scary. Just tore them apart. I thought LSU was going to raise the white flag. He's a voracious big man who has above average quickness, is tough, mean, and competitive. We could do a lot worse than Hawes. I do not see him as a big man "project".

above average quickness? hibbert?

 

[Kingster]

Yeah, it's the, "you see one big white man who can't jump, you've seen them all" syndrome. I saw Hibbert play against LSU - he was scary. Just tore them apart. I thought LSU was going to raise the white flag. He's a voracious big man who has above average quickness, is tough, mean, and competitive. We could do a lot worse than Hawes. I do not see him as a big man "project".

Well, now I have to e-mail myself to change the error of my ways! The above sentence should read, I saw HAWES play against LSU - he was scary. Just tore them apart.

 

[Kingster]

above average quickness? hibbert?

See above. I meant HAWES.

 

[Vlade4GM]

See above. I meant HAWES.

I like Hawes, I think he can be a valuable big man starter but I'm hoping we land someone with more 2 way potential than him (jianlian).

 

[Kingster]

I like Hawes, I think he can be a valuable big man starter but I'm hoping we land someone with more 2 way potential than him (jianlian).

I haven't seen Jianlian play, so I can't make a judgement on that. If he is very athletic like everyone says, then I guess the only questions left would concern his work ethic, competitiveness, toughness, etc. If he gets a green flag on those, sounds like a winner. Based on what I've seen and heard about Hawes, he gets the green flag on those intangibles.