RookieOfTheDay
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I already understand what i wrote. What I don't understand, is what you get out of what I wrote. If something about it makes you think I'm naive, you'd need to explain that to me. I can't read your mind.
Lakers' Jerry Buss Sits On NBA's Kings Relocation Panel
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I already understand what i wrote. What I don't understand, is what you get out of what I wrote. If something about it makes you think I'm naive, you'd need to explain that to me. I can't read your mind.
RookieOfTheDay
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This isn't about sexual abuse. It's about adult women having sex for money of their own volition. You can't just assume that every women who does was abused. Surely some were and that's tragic, but it's a separate issue. You're painting with a board stroke.
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Peter_Gibbons
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I don't know what Thunder thinks for sure, but I would assume that its because you fail to realize that your idea of someone who "choose" to sleep with someone for money is as simple as it sounds. There is more than meets the eye. Its not as simple as what you are saying where "everyone wins". Many people continue to go to a job they don't like everyday because they need the money. That doesn't mean they would still go if they didn't need the money. And prostitution is not a normal job.
You stated you would not want your daughter to be a prostitute. why? Obviously you think there is something bad that makes it different from a normal job for you to have that belief. I can go on and on. But its not worth the bandwidth.
Arco Thunder
Bench
Latest statistics show that 100 percent of prostitutes were sexually abused as children. Obviously your comment struck a nerve in my heart. I just felt the need to speak up. I'm done now....
RookieOfTheDay
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No there’s not. It really is that simple. You’re convoluting a very basic idea. If it’s entered into of one's own volition, they aren’t a victim. That’s all there is to it. All the emotional appeals, moralizing, etc. doesn’t change that.
And the women who are with him are probably doing it because they need the money, too. That doesn’t somehow make them not accountable for their choice to still do it, though. And it is just a normal job in Nevada.
I also wouldn’t want her to be a maid, or a fast food worker, or something like that. Not that there’s anything wrong with jobs like that, I’ve done some myself. I’d just want better for my daughter. That doesn’t mean the people doing those jobs are victims or that the jobs are inherently bad, though. The same applies to prostitution.
Actually, I was enjoying the change of topic, lol. It’s nice to get my mind off the Kings for a few moments.
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Can you take this to an off topic forum? Seriously this has nothing to do with the man being on an NBA committee. I single you out because you brought it to the forefront.
RookieOfTheDay
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I don't buy those statistics for a second. Statistics are very easy to manufacture and manipulate to meet an agenda. Then there's expectation bias. For those reasons i take all statistics with a grain of salt, even the ones that support my views. By the way, I'm no stranger to the damage sexual abuse causes in a person. I was never abused buy my mom and her two sisters were and so was an X girlfriend of mine.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Okay guys, enough with the sociological discussion. Its all a slippery slope anyway. Woman accepts cash for sex vs. woman who is mistress because man buys her pretty things vs. woman who marries for money etc. etc. And wherever that slope ends its not what this board is about.
Big Cuz 15
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the conversation has strayed from the original topic. these are touchy subjects but i had to add my piece
if jerry buss didn't have the kind of bank roll he does now, would these women still sleep with him? i see both sides of the argument here but none of these women that are parading around with him are being forced to do anything. correct me if i'm wrong, i believe they are all of adult age (over 18) and consensual. they have their own minds and are doing it under their own judgment. hell, if i'm 70 and some hot woman half my age/quarter of my age wants to hook up because i have a fat bankroll. more power to it. i'm already 1 and a half foot in the grave. might as well enjoy the rest of my time.
if jerry buss didn't have the kind of bank roll he does now, would these women still sleep with him? i see both sides of the argument here but none of these women that are parading around with him are being forced to do anything. correct me if i'm wrong, i believe they are all of adult age (over 18) and consensual. they have their own minds and are doing it under their own judgment. hell, if i'm 70 and some hot woman half my age/quarter of my age wants to hook up because i have a fat bankroll. more power to it. i'm already 1 and a half foot in the grave. might as well enjoy the rest of my time.
RookieOfTheDay
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I knew you'd be here soon to tell us to shut up and get back in our seats.
Arco Thunder
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Pops just came through the door..
Gee, now that I've shared a part of my life story in front of everybody and their brother. Thank God that we are all anonymous here. Sorry my part in the diversion.
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I don't know Buss from a hole in the wall. Therefore have no interest in defending him nor on his behavior on the committee. He/it is not going to save us. BUT I did react to your comments on somebody who is " 70 ".
Löwenherz
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Wow, this got weird fast ...
So yeah, um, anyway Jerry Buss is in our corner. Yay! Politics makes strange bedfellows and all that and he is certainly a powerful allie to have.
In the words of Winston Churchill (Regarding a partnership with Stalin) "My only goal is to destroy Hitler. If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.”
So yeah, um, anyway Jerry Buss is in our corner. Yay! Politics makes strange bedfellows and all that and he is certainly a powerful allie to have.
In the words of Winston Churchill (Regarding a partnership with Stalin) "My only goal is to destroy Hitler. If Hitler invaded hell I would make at least a favorable reference to the devil in the House of Commons.”
What he said.
LilMissDiva
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Where in the world did the original thought topic go?
Back on topic, YAY JERRY!! Go git um.
Back on topic, YAY JERRY!! Go git um.
ArcoKings
Starter
I can't stand the guy and find him to be a hypocrite but nothing wrong with the above in bold. Just saying.
Back on track...
From Ailene Voison:
I continue to hear that Jerry Buss’ attempts to block the Kings’ move to Anaheim is gaining traction with his fellow owners. Buss is the old lion of the NBA, and as as owner of the Lakers, wields tremendous influence with his colleagues. Two things are happening: (1) The owners are increasingly concerned about the Maloofs’ longterm financial stability and (2) No one seems thrilled about the Anaheim destination.
From Ailene Voison:
I continue to hear that Jerry Buss’ attempts to block the Kings’ move to Anaheim is gaining traction with his fellow owners. Buss is the old lion of the NBA, and as as owner of the Lakers, wields tremendous influence with his colleagues. Two things are happening: (1) The owners are increasingly concerned about the Maloofs’ longterm financial stability and (2) No one seems thrilled about the Anaheim destination.
RookieOfTheDay
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Thanks for the report. I sounds like we still have some hope here.
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LWP777
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One time dealer....one time!!
John Galt
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You know.... a little twisted but... if the curse we've all experienced through thick and thin is actually stuck to the Kings and not to Sacramento... this thing might just fail.
God I hope "The Kings" (not Sacramento) can hang onto that loser heritage now... when it counts most!!
Go Jerry and Phil! ... you don't want that Kings stink in your backyard! See to it!!!
God I hope "The Kings" (not Sacramento) can hang onto that loser heritage now... when it counts most!!
Go Jerry and Phil! ... you don't want that Kings stink in your backyard! See to it!!!
Oskor
Bench
Exactly how I feel. As much as I do not want the Kings to move I still feel guilty looking to him for hope. He's part of the reason we are in this situation in the first place!
Glenn
Hall of Famer
From dirty old man to old lion in 24 hours. Wow! If he is prepared by the brains floating around the Lakers or even prepared by the brains floating around Sacramento, he'll have something to say that will give owners reason to think. All owners and not just the large market owners. I seriously think the viability of the NBA as it stands now is in question. At the least, an argument can be made for that. I read a detailed article many years ago about the importance of medium to small market teams to a league. It was positive and not simply because they give the big markets someone to beat up on. Wish I could remember the details.
I certainly understand that if small market teams move to big markets, the amount of cash inflow to the league will lessen. The amount of money available to pay players will lessen. (BTW, go to NBA.com and read about Stern and the pride he takes in the amount of money the NBA takes in) I've made this example before. Take Sacramento fans for instance. If we have played the teams battling for the NBA championship, we may very well watch the Finals. If we have no team, we may have lost interest and the result is less NBA fans in Sacramento. That consequently means less Sacramento money given to the NBA whether it is at games, on TV, or gear.
They gain no fans by teams huddling around big markets. The fans just shift allegiance.
Multiply the effect of the loss of fans in medium to small markets and the lack of fans gained in total by moving to a large market and multiply it by each team that does what the Maloofs apparently want to do. NBA income goes down.
A move is precedent setting and I doubt it's a precedent that people in the leadership of the NBA want. Perhaps at least the rubber stamp approval is not in play.
I was in Charlotte when Shinn owned the Hornets there and the papers were filled with crud about him as an owner. I don't remember any details but I remember my reaction and that was simply that he didn't have the competence to own an NBA team. I wonder if the Maloofs can be painted with the same brush. The economy killed them but so did their egos. Neither are my fault. I am sure of that.
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RookieOfTheDay
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I don't see how he's part of it. Sterling for not putting the Clippers in Anaheim, sure. But Buss has nothing to do with it.
Oskor
Bench
This is more my hatred/envy talking. His team is everything the Maloofs want their team to be. And they now believe they can only (or more easily) acheive this by moving into a large market. Maybe it's the NBA I should be angry at. But something needs to change.
Bottom line, I've despised the Lakers SO long that I feel guilty looking to him for hope.
RookieOfTheDay
Starter
I know what you mean but nothing the Lakers ever did to us was as bad as what the Maloofs are doing right now! As much as I've always despised Phil Jackson's smugness, he seems to have FAR more reverence for Kings fans than the Maloofs do. The Lakers may still be the enemy but the Maloofs are traitors which makes them much worse.
Oskor
Bench
Smugness yes, reverence no! He's just doing what he always does, plays into what serves his selfish needs best. He doesn't care about us fans or Sac. Only thing he cares about is the $$$ the Lakers can lose if the Kings do move.
RookieOfTheDay
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I disagree. If it were only about the money, he'd just refer to the money. There's no reason for him to say thing like Kings fans were the best in the league if he doesn't really mean it. I doubt he personally cares much about the Lakers losing money anyways as he's probably retiring soon and it won't effect him anyways.
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