Kobe for Kevin Martin?
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This isn't as ridiculous as Bibby for Deron Williams. It's far-fetched, but if the Lakers were to trade Kobe they would want to rebuild, so they would want young players, good draft picks, and salaries to make it work. Sort of like the Shaq trade: Caron Butler and Lamar Odom (good young players), draft picks, and Brian Grant to match salaries.
They might get better offers elsewhere and you'd have to set aside all issues of trading within the division and Kobe probably not wanting to go to Sacramento, but an offer starting with Martin and 10 would not cause the Lakers to hang up the phone. It's actually the type of offer they'd be looking for.
They might get better offers elsewhere and you'd have to set aside all issues of trading within the division and Kobe probably not wanting to go to Sacramento, but an offer starting with Martin and 10 would not cause the Lakers to hang up the phone. It's actually the type of offer they'd be looking for.
Actually it works for neither -- its exactly the sort of deal I would be very surprised to see come out of this -- although Kupchak is an idiot, and so is McHale, so you never know. In any case the Lakers should be using this as the biggest rebuilding move any franchise could have. And the franchise at th other end will be wanting to team Kobe with an existing star to go contend (and Kobe will insist on that too since he gets to choose where to go). Makes no sense for the Lakers to trade for KG unless Kobe is there. Makes no sense for the Wolves to trade KG to get Kobe. Pairing the two, sure. But not an exchange.
In any case, Foye and the #6. Kevin and the #10. Whoever and the #5. Gay and the #4. Those could be the sorts of deals (to start) that the Lakers go shopping for. They appear to have accidentally chosen Bynum over Kobe, so now they need some young studs to surround him with. Gotta wonder if PJ will sitck it out under those circumstances. His returning always looked like jsut a money grab, but not sure he was thinking money grab amidst rebuilding.
In any case, Foye and the #6. Kevin and the #10. Whoever and the #5. Gay and the #4. Those could be the sorts of deals (to start) that the Lakers go shopping for. They appear to have accidentally chosen Bynum over Kobe, so now they need some young studs to surround him with. Gotta wonder if PJ will sitck it out under those circumstances. His returning always looked like jsut a money grab, but not sure he was thinking money grab amidst rebuilding.
***Found this article on the Comcast sports.
http://www.comcast.net/sports/index.jsp?cat=SPORTS&fn=/2007/05/30/676690.html&cvqh=itn_bryant
Lakers' Bryant Backs Off Trade Request
By JOHN NADEL, AP Sports Writer
51 minutes ago
LOS ANGELES - Believing he had been insulted and misled, Kobe Bryant asked the Los Angles Lakers for a trade Wednesday and insisted nothing could change his mind. Then something did. He spoke with coach Phil Jackson and backed off his request.
"I don't want to go anywhere, this is my team," Bryant told KLAC radio. "I love it here. I called Phil, man, he and I talked, it was an emotional conversation, but he just said, `You know what, Kobe? Let us try to figure this thing out.'
"Phil is a guy I lean on a lot."
Some three hours earlier, in an interview with ESPN radio, Bryant said: "I would like to be traded, yeah. Tough as it is to come to that conclusion, there's no other alternative. It's rough, man, but I don't see how you can rebuild that trust. I just don't know how you can move forward in that type of situation."
Bryant also told KLAC, the Lakers' flagship station, that he hadn't heard from owner Jerry Buss, indicating a conversation could go a long way toward resolving the matter.
Buss issued a statement after Bryant's request, saying: "We are aware of the media reports. However, Kobe has not told us directly that he wants to be traded. We have made it very clear that we are building our team around Kobe and that we intend for him to be a Laker his entire career. We will speak directly to Kobe and until we do that, we will not comment publicly about this."
Bryant told KLAC that his agent had contacted general manager Mitch Kupchak early Wednesday.
Bryant, who helped the Lakers win three consecutive NBA championships, has four years left on the seven-year, $136.4 million contract he signed July 15, 2004. That was a day after Shaquille O'Neal was traded to the Miami Heat.
Bryant became infuriated Tuesday when a Los Angeles Times columnist quoted a Lakers "insider" as saying it was Bryant's insistence on getting away from O'Neal that prompted the trade to Miami.
Bryant told KLAC he knew who the so-called insider was, but wouldn't identify the person.
Bryant also said he feels Buss misled him three years ago _ right before he re-signed with the Lakers _ by telling him one thing and Jackson something else about the team's goals.
Bryant said he was told the Lakers would immediately try to rejoin the NBA's elite. But he said Jackson told him Tuesday that Buss was not bringing him back as coach following the 2003-04 season because the Lakers were committed to reducing payroll and rebuilding long term.
"They said nothing to me about a long-term plan. Absolutely nothing," Bryant told KLAC. "They told Phil one thing and they told me another. Actions speak louder than words."
Bryant's agent, Rob Pelinka, didn't respond to several messages left by The Associated Press.
The Lakers won championships from 2000-02 and reached the NBA finals again in 2004, losing to the Detroit Pistons in five games. The team was broken up at that time. O'Neal was traded, Jackson left and other stalwarts _ Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Derek Fisher, Robert Horry and Rick Fox _ went elsewhere or retired.
The Lakers failed to make the playoffs the following season. With Jackson returning before the 2005-06 campaign, they finished seventh in the Western Conference in each of the past two years, but were eliminated by Phoenix in the first round of the playoffs.
The Lakers appeared to be title contenders through the first half of this season, going 26-13 despite several injuries. But they lost 27 of their last 43 games to finish 42-40 before bowing to the Suns in five games.
Bryant urged the team at season's end to do what it takes to get back into contention. He essentially repeated those comments last weekend in an interview with the Times.
On Sunday, he suggested former Lakers general manager Jerry West should return. West left the team in the summer of 2000 and was succeeded by Kupchak.
West, an employee of the Lakers for about 40 years as a player, coach and executive, is under contract as the Memphis Grizzlies' president until July 1. He turned 69 this week and has remained a close friend of Kupchak's. West has said he has "no plans to seek employment with any other organization."
It was West who brought Bryant to the Lakers, trading center Vlade Divac to Charlotte in the summer of 1996 for the rights to Bryant _ the 13th pick in the NBA draft. Bryant was only 17 at the time.
Bryant has made the All-Star team in each of the past nine seasons, clearly establishing himself as an NBA great before age 30. Only one active NBA player, Kevin Garnett, has a longer tenure with one team than Bryant. Garnett has played 12 seasons for Minnesota.
Bryant's anger boiled over Tuesday, when he did a series of interviews bashing the Lakers.
"That place is a mess," Bryant said, referring to the team's front office. "If we're not making strides here to improve this team right now, to be aggressive in that nature, then what's the point of having me here?"
That same day, the 74-year-old Buss was arrested in Carlsbad for investigation of driving under the influence of alcohol. He was released on bail later in the day.
"The fact of the matter is that many people don't know what really went down when I was approaching free agency because I have stayed quiet about it this whole time," Bryant wrote Tuesday on his Web site. "The real facts are that Dr. Buss requested a meeting with me during the '04 season long before I opted out of my contract, and he told me he had already decided not to extend Shaq, as he was concerned about Shaq's age, fitness and contract demands.
"Dr. Buss made it clear that his decision was final, his mind was made up, and no matter what I decided to do with free agency, he was still going to move Shaq."
O'Neal said on the Philadelphia Inquirer's Web site he believed Bryant "100 percent."
"There is no doubt in my mind Kobe is telling the truth," O'Neal added.
Bryant said he was considering signing with the Clippers and Chicago Bulls three years ago before hearing from Buss.
"Dr. Buss promised me he would rebuild right away, and I believed him," Bryant wrote. "That is why I put my trust in the Lakers. But when stuff like this is coming from the 'inside,' all I can do is hope that someone from the 'inside' comes forward to support me and set straight the facts of what really happened. This is the TRUTH."
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
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Lakers' Bryant Backs Off Trade Request
By JOHN NADEL, AP Sports Writer
51 minutes ago
LOS ANGELES - Believing he had been insulted and misled, Kobe Bryant asked the Los Angles Lakers for a trade Wednesday and insisted nothing could change his mind. Then something did. He spoke with coach Phil Jackson and backed off his request.
"I don't want to go anywhere, this is my team," Bryant told KLAC radio. "I love it here. I called Phil, man, he and I talked, it was an emotional conversation, but he just said, `You know what, Kobe? Let us try to figure this thing out.'
"Phil is a guy I lean on a lot."
Some three hours earlier, in an interview with ESPN radio, Bryant said: "I would like to be traded, yeah. Tough as it is to come to that conclusion, there's no other alternative. It's rough, man, but I don't see how you can rebuild that trust. I just don't know how you can move forward in that type of situation."
Bryant also told KLAC, the Lakers' flagship station, that he hadn't heard from owner Jerry Buss, indicating a conversation could go a long way toward resolving the matter.
Buss issued a statement after Bryant's request, saying: "We are aware of the media reports. However, Kobe has not told us directly that he wants to be traded. We have made it very clear that we are building our team around Kobe and that we intend for him to be a Laker his entire career. We will speak directly to Kobe and until we do that, we will not comment publicly about this."
Bryant told KLAC that his agent had contacted general manager Mitch Kupchak early Wednesday.
Bryant, who helped the Lakers win three consecutive NBA championships, has four years left on the seven-year, $136.4 million contract he signed July 15, 2004. That was a day after Shaquille O'Neal was traded to the Miami Heat.
Bryant became infuriated Tuesday when a Los Angeles Times columnist quoted a Lakers "insider" as saying it was Bryant's insistence on getting away from O'Neal that prompted the trade to Miami.
Bryant told KLAC he knew who the so-called insider was, but wouldn't identify the person.
Bryant also said he feels Buss misled him three years ago _ right before he re-signed with the Lakers _ by telling him one thing and Jackson something else about the team's goals.
Bryant said he was told the Lakers would immediately try to rejoin the NBA's elite. But he said Jackson told him Tuesday that Buss was not bringing him back as coach following the 2003-04 season because the Lakers were committed to reducing payroll and rebuilding long term.
"They said nothing to me about a long-term plan. Absolutely nothing," Bryant told KLAC. "They told Phil one thing and they told me another. Actions speak louder than words."
Bryant's agent, Rob Pelinka, didn't respond to several messages left by The Associated Press.
The Lakers won championships from 2000-02 and reached the NBA finals again in 2004, losing to the Detroit Pistons in five games. The team was broken up at that time. O'Neal was traded, Jackson left and other stalwarts _ Karl Malone, Gary Payton, Derek Fisher, Robert Horry and Rick Fox _ went elsewhere or retired.
The Lakers failed to make the playoffs the following season. With Jackson returning before the 2005-06 campaign, they finished seventh in the Western Conference in each of the past two years, but were eliminated by Phoenix in the first round of the playoffs.
The Lakers appeared to be title contenders through the first half of this season, going 26-13 despite several injuries. But they lost 27 of their last 43 games to finish 42-40 before bowing to the Suns in five games.
Bryant urged the team at season's end to do what it takes to get back into contention. He essentially repeated those comments last weekend in an interview with the Times.
On Sunday, he suggested former Lakers general manager Jerry West should return. West left the team in the summer of 2000 and was succeeded by Kupchak.
West, an employee of the Lakers for about 40 years as a player, coach and executive, is under contract as the Memphis Grizzlies' president until July 1. He turned 69 this week and has remained a close friend of Kupchak's. West has said he has "no plans to seek employment with any other organization."
It was West who brought Bryant to the Lakers, trading center Vlade Divac to Charlotte in the summer of 1996 for the rights to Bryant _ the 13th pick in the NBA draft. Bryant was only 17 at the time.
Bryant has made the All-Star team in each of the past nine seasons, clearly establishing himself as an NBA great before age 30. Only one active NBA player, Kevin Garnett, has a longer tenure with one team than Bryant. Garnett has played 12 seasons for Minnesota.
Bryant's anger boiled over Tuesday, when he did a series of interviews bashing the Lakers.
"That place is a mess," Bryant said, referring to the team's front office. "If we're not making strides here to improve this team right now, to be aggressive in that nature, then what's the point of having me here?"
That same day, the 74-year-old Buss was arrested in Carlsbad for investigation of driving under the influence of alcohol. He was released on bail later in the day.
"The fact of the matter is that many people don't know what really went down when I was approaching free agency because I have stayed quiet about it this whole time," Bryant wrote Tuesday on his Web site. "The real facts are that Dr. Buss requested a meeting with me during the '04 season long before I opted out of my contract, and he told me he had already decided not to extend Shaq, as he was concerned about Shaq's age, fitness and contract demands.
"Dr. Buss made it clear that his decision was final, his mind was made up, and no matter what I decided to do with free agency, he was still going to move Shaq."
O'Neal said on the Philadelphia Inquirer's Web site he believed Bryant "100 percent."
"There is no doubt in my mind Kobe is telling the truth," O'Neal added.
Bryant said he was considering signing with the Clippers and Chicago Bulls three years ago before hearing from Buss.
"Dr. Buss promised me he would rebuild right away, and I believed him," Bryant wrote. "That is why I put my trust in the Lakers. But when stuff like this is coming from the 'inside,' all I can do is hope that someone from the 'inside' comes forward to support me and set straight the facts of what really happened. This is the TRUTH."
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.
This is something that I just can't swallow. People saying Kobe can't win a title by himself but I ask a question, which player CAN win a title by himself. Shaq sure as hell couldn't. Neither could Jordan, Magic, Bird and we are talking about Hall of Famers and legends of the game.
No player can win a title by himself. He needs to have a good supporting cast and a second impact player as a side kick.
Kobe is arguably the best player in the NBA but he can't do it alone. No one can!
No player can win a title by himself. He needs to have a good supporting cast and a second impact player as a side kick.
Kobe is arguably the best player in the NBA but he can't do it alone. No one can!
Agreed... Kobe is still the best player in the NBA (IMO), and I would jump at the chance to get him on our team. One would have to think that the Maloofs would be more than willing to open the purse strings a little bit to get a good team around him as well...
Will it happen though? No.
Will it happen though? No.
There's MORE to sports than JUST winning...Winning is important...but Kobe's never proven to be a winner and he's the epitome of everything else that's wrong with modern sport. I don't want him on the Kings at ANY cost...I hope he rots in mediocrity in LA.
So basically Kobe is a drama queen. Ah, the irony...
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And as far as the Kings getting him goes, by what stretch of the imagination could anyone possibly assume Kobe would want to even consider the possibility of coming to the Kings? We're a non-contending team in a small market town. There's no allure for him, no matter what some Kings fans might think...
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And as far as the Kings getting him goes, by what stretch of the imagination could anyone possibly assume Kobe would want to even consider the possibility of coming to the Kings? We're a non-contending team in a small market town. There's no allure for him, no matter what some Kings fans might think...
Okay, I'll rephrase. We're a non-contending team in a town that rolls the sidewalks up at 9 p.m. and has very little "culture" to offer Kobe Bryant and, more importantly, Mrs. Kobe Bryant. He wouldn't look twice at Sacramento until Chicago, Los Angeles (Clippers), and New York fell off the map. And that's if he even gave a thought to a team that couldn't become an instant contender upon his arrival.
Kobe isn't going to leave the Lakers.
Kobe isn't going to leave the Lakers.
