[Game] Knicks @ Kings - 12/10/15 - 7:30 pm PST, 10:30 pm EST
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Starting Koufos doesn't do anything on the other end of the court though to slow Porzingis. Koufos has had major problems slowing good/quick offensive PF's. Not his fault as it's not his position, but Rudy at least has the length and quickness to stay with him. And you make him work on the other end.
Sac.1989
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we need Karl to pull through in this one and not leave us on an island battling along directionless.
That is the key to this game.
Given how this season has transpired im hopefully of a win but who knows how this goes. We need boogie to channel is inner barkley rage.
he'll never get the probs he deserves from Charles. Ever. This night is only about NYs shiny new toy but if we win thats all that matters. Rondo, Cuz to lead the way
That is the key to this game.
Given how this season has transpired im hopefully of a win but who knows how this goes. We need boogie to channel is inner barkley rage.
he'll never get the probs he deserves from Charles. Ever. This night is only about NYs shiny new toy but if we win thats all that matters. Rondo, Cuz to lead the way
King Baller
All-Star
With WCS out it would be nice to have Moreland tuned up and used to playing. But Moreland has been a spectator so I expect Casspi or Gay matched up against the Big Rookie.
I don't understand the fascination with playing the tallest guy we can at every position. Playing big only makes sense if it works with the personal available. Without WCS, we don't have the team to play big. And I 100% agree that WCS should be getting 25-30 minutes a night. But there just isn't a way you could convince or prove that Moreland or Acy is better for us than playing Casspi and Gay at the 4 right now. Koufos and Cousins doesn't work either because both guys struggle defending away from the basket. Been a bit disappointing for sure as I thought that combo could work, but it's been bad thus far.
Kingston Jamaica
Bench
I think this Porzingis fear is a bit overrated. First, Porzingis fouls a lot. We should "guide" him to foul trouble. Second, he will not be the decider. He is not the guy that wins the game alone. If we can keep Melo, Afflalo and Galloway under control, it shouldn't be a too difficult game to win. I think BenMc can keep Afflalo quite well. Porzingis also turns the ball over quite a lot indicating that he is not yet dealing well with the pace in the NBA.
King Baller
All-Star
It is not just about being tall. In case you have not noticed the Kings have been getting killed on the boards. We don't know what Moreland can do because Karl does not play him. Moreland does have a history as a shot blocker, defender and rebounder.
HighFlyingMonkey
Starter
Moreland has a history... in the D-League. Lets not fool ourselves. The kid is a fringe NBA player.
The Koufos/Cousins combo has sucked all year long, both offensively and defensively. The Kings have a 95 offensive rating and a 112 defensive rating in the 121 minutes they've played together. Simply atrocious.
The Kings have to find time for the Koufos/Cousins combo because Kosta's too good just to be playing 12 minutes per game behind Cousins. But their on-court time together absolutely has to be limited. Just can't have two slow-footed centers either defensively or offensively in the NBA anymore.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
San Antonio might actually want to quibble with that.
Nonetheless I've never really liked the pairing, EXCEPT as it was used last game. We were getting killed on the boards, and the why of it was everytime Boogie had to rotate out to challenge a shooter on the perimeter, our weenie combo forwards were getting their ass kicked behind him on the glass. Enter Kosta, and suddenly that changed. We didn't do great overall, but the rebounding problem was abruptly cancelled.
In our switching/rotating defense, we have, rather stupidly, forced Boogie to chase on the perimeter rather than lurk in the paint. When he does that, our best defensive rebounder, in fact one of the premiere defensive rebounders in the game, is suddenly out of the play on the defensive glass. And so who is at the PF spot becomes considerably more important than it was when you could count on Boogie to be back in the scrum himself.
HighFlyingMonkey
Starter
I hope you're not talking about Duncan and Aldridge. Because Aldridge has played PF for his entire career who has no problem stepping out and defending the perimeter.
Unfortunately you have to play Koufos/Cousins together for spurts at a time. Otherwise your $9 million per year investment from this offseason is fighting for scraps of minutes behind your franchise center. Karl has to figure it out.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
In particular Koufos has struggled when defending pick and roll bigs. Any big that can hit that mid range J has destroyed him.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Aldridge is 6'11" and no more agile than Boogie
Dirk is 7'0" tall and certainly no more agile than Boogie
Heck, we're playing a team tonight that is starting a 7'3" PF.
HighFlyingMonkey
Starter
Too simplistic.
Boogie hates defending the perimeter. Would much rather sag into the paint so he gives too much room to jumpshooters. And when he does press up he gets into foul trouble. You know this as well as I do.
Aldridge and Dirk have been defending the perimeter as PFs their whole careers and are far more comfortable there defensively.
Blob
Starter
76er fans are already regretting not taking Porzingis over Okafor who by the way has been guilty of more punk behavior than anything Boogie has ever done, particularly an ugly street fight and driving 108 MPH across a bridge.
Porzingis is going to be awesome because he is agile with smooth unguardable stroke from 3 point line and in. And his length allows him to bother a lot of shots but Cousins will destroy him in the paint.
He will get him in foul trouble if he tries to guard him and may end up in the third row. Of course I expect Lopez and Quinn to get the assignment unless caught in switch.
Tonight would be nice to have Willie vs. Porzingis. It will be interesting match-up whether Omri vs Porzingis or Rudy vs. Porzingis because Porzingis cannot stay with either guy on the perimeter but may be able to get whatever he wants too.
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Eh, I remember during the draft, Vlade made comments about Porzingis being too raw..but it might've been to make his stock go down?
However, Vlade is pretty damn blunt about everything.
I really wanted Porzingis on this team alongside Cousins. I think there was probably only 1 other KF member who was really hoping we'd get him.
He'd probably be a bust on the Kings anyways.
We'd give him 12mins a game, and he'd go 1-4 and 2rebs before getting benched.
With the Knicks, he's getting plenty of PT and they're letting him play through his progressions.
Kings fans would hate Porzingis too. I can see it now...he'd get the same treatment Ben did earlier this season...
No he doesn't. He has a history of doing absolutely nothing.
I like Moreland a lot as a prospect. I think he can very easily be a Chris Anderson type of player down the line. But there's no reason to give him minutes while we have 0 idea who he is as an NBA player and far better options are healthy
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1. Vlade is blunt only when it serves his purpose. I cannot imagine him saying anything about the draft to tip our hand. His name isn't PDA.2
2. Oh please. Ben is a third year player who still hasn't shown himself to be worth where he was picked. Porzingis, on the other hand, is truly NBA ready.
No reason? I disagree. If nothing else, he's good for six fouls.
Woah...Porzingis truly NBA ready?
VF21, Porzingis wasn't anywhere near NBA ready by 99% of basketball scouts... they all saw him as a raw 7'0 guy who could dunk and shoot. He was too skinny, too frail, and a highly bustable candidate.
And Ben hasn't shown himself to be worth where he was picked?
He's been solid and improving every year.....
My point was, had Porzingis been drafted to this team, he'd get less than 15mins a game. He'd get 2 shot attempts while Rudy and Cuz dominates possessions. If he missed his only 2 shot attempts, his teammates would stop passing to him. Every fan would call him a bust.
With the Knicks, Porzingis actually gets a whole lot more opportunity. If he misses 2 shot attempts, they'll give him 5 more. They'll let him play through his struggles. They'll actually feature him in the offense.
When's the last time we saw Rondo find Ben after he missed 2 straight shots?
Porzingis would get the same exact treatment, but worse since he's a rookie.
Everyone would be upset that we drafted Porzingis who wasn't able to make his 3 shot attempts a game and fouled 2x every game.
So I'm glad we didn't draft him. We would've ruined a great prospect. I'm not sold that this franchise can develop players... Cousins and Thomas have been the only success.
Gay can definitely out-power Porzingis. However, we need Gay on Melo...
I seem to recall our own small forward doing a particularly good job against Dirk. (Referring to Peja.)
And it appears 99% of basketball scouts were wrong, doesn't it?
My point is that while Ben, in his third year, is still the subject of endless debates on whether or not he'll ever truly be a starting-caliber player, Porzingis has already put his claim in.
Telemachus
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Peja always gave Dirk fits on both ends of the floor.
LPKingsFan
All-Star
Really wish WCS was healthy. Would love to see him out there guarding his fellow rook.
PurpleHaze
All-Star
Dirk Nowitski says Porzingis is "the real deal" and better than him at age 20 - Dirk entering NBA at age 19. Charles Barkley has been going gaga over the Lithuanian for weeks so expect heavy dose of Sir Charles singing praise tonight in game call - if Porzingis gets off. Should be interesting. Hopefully the kid has horrible night, one to FORGET in Sactown.
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