Kings vs Warriors - Summer League Game 2
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Ray had better stats this game, but I feel he was hurting the team at times. His defense has been good in both games, but he wasn't finding guys open on the break and his passes were late most of the night. Had a lot of skip passes he missed, and was forcing stuff at times.
I would like to see Ben on some curls for mid-range jumpers. One thing that should work with the full team is Ben feeding Cousins on the low post. He's a willing passer and teams have to respect his cut and shot. It also lessens the need for him to dribble drive.
I would like to see Ben on some curls for mid-range jumpers. One thing that should work with the full team is Ben feeding Cousins on the low post. He's a willing passer and teams have to respect his cut and shot. It also lessens the need for him to dribble drive.
I think it speaks to his lack of overall skill that that is a problem.
You compare it to a guy like McCallum, and he thrives.
Which again, skillsetwise strongly suggests we drafted a roleplayer. Can't do much himself. Needs a system and teammates to make him better. Could still be a good roleplayer if the shooting comes around, but that's all yet to be seen.
You compare it to a guy like McCallum, and he thrives.
Which again, skillsetwise strongly suggests we drafted a roleplayer. Can't do much himself. Needs a system and teammates to make him better. Could still be a good roleplayer if the shooting comes around, but that's all yet to be seen.
Huge huge difference. HUGE.
Its all skillset in these things, and I knew Cousins was magic from the first SL game. So did many others, that's why he won rookie of the month for his summer league performance. The lousy shooting in the final couple of games was purely because he was exhausted and pissed at Mario Elie for throwing him out there exhausted, but the things he could do were just remarkable.
Its all skillset in these things, and I knew Cousins was magic from the first SL game. So did many others, that's why he won rookie of the month for his summer league performance. The lousy shooting in the final couple of games was purely because he was exhausted and pissed at Mario Elie for throwing him out there exhausted, but the things he could do were just remarkable.
Game Log
Date Opponent Result MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
Jul 18 vs. DAL L 54 - 85 27 1 - 12 0 - 0 4 - 7 0 6 6 0 1 1 5 2 6
Jul 17 @ CHI W 76 - 75 31 3 - 15 0 - 0 4 - 4 2 5 7 0 1 2 3 5 10
Jul 16 vs. TOR L 82 - 88 28 5 - 18 0 - 1 6 - 7 4 8 12 2 1 1 6 10 16
Jul 14 @ MIN W 79 - 78 35 9 - 17 0 - 0 4 - 7 2 10 12 5 4 1 5 2 22
Jul 13 @ LAL W 90 - 84 31 8 - 20 0 - 0 3 - 3 6 6 12 3 2 2 5 6 19
Jul 12 @ DET W 97 - 68 26 5 - 11 0 - 0 4 - 6 3 7 10 1 0 0 5 4 14
Date Opponent Result MIN FGM-A 3PM-A FTM-A OFF DEF REB AST STL BLK TO PF PTS
Jul 18 vs. DAL L 54 - 85 27 1 - 12 0 - 0 4 - 7 0 6 6 0 1 1 5 2 6
Jul 17 @ CHI W 76 - 75 31 3 - 15 0 - 0 4 - 4 2 5 7 0 1 2 3 5 10
Jul 16 vs. TOR L 82 - 88 28 5 - 18 0 - 1 6 - 7 4 8 12 2 1 1 6 10 16
Jul 14 @ MIN W 79 - 78 35 9 - 17 0 - 0 4 - 7 2 10 12 5 4 1 5 2 22
Jul 13 @ LAL W 90 - 84 31 8 - 20 0 - 0 3 - 3 6 6 12 3 2 2 5 6 19
Jul 12 @ DET W 97 - 68 26 5 - 11 0 - 0 4 - 6 3 7 10 1 0 0 5 4 14
so youre not concerned at all? I mean you act like this is no problem. I see a problem. I see a guy that on an off shooting night can't contribute in any other way. he can't dribble and his defense is sub par. He may be ok but never a #2 option with that skillset. he could be like 4th I think we just proved that we need an all star SF. not a role playing SF. we need a #2 option. at this moment in time. Our #2 option is marcus thornton smh.
The thing about McLemore is this: we knew he would struggle creating his own shot at first. That is the scouting report on him and no one would should be surprised by that part of his game right now. The plus side of this is that he is still young and very athletic, which is the reason you don't give up on that part of his game just yet.
The thing that you really can't judge is his shooting. Lots of players have poor shooting performances in actual NBA games, and there are plenty of examples of great players who shot poorly in the summer league (Durant, Curry). Two games is just way too small of a sample size to even start to worry about his shot.
The thing that you really can't judge is his shooting. Lots of players have poor shooting performances in actual NBA games, and there are plenty of examples of great players who shot poorly in the summer league (Durant, Curry). Two games is just way too small of a sample size to even start to worry about his shot.
I suppose the difference between McLemore and Durant/Curry then becomes that he doesn't offer anything other than shooting at this point of his career. FG% aside, both Durant and Curry are far more capable creators off the dribble and that means they can get to the rim when their shot isn't falling or set guys up off of penetration. Therein lies the problem.
Also, just looking at the general concensus here it seems that many feel McLemore will suddenly become open in the regular season just because we have Cousins (the defense is NOT going to plan their schemes around stopping Vasquez/JT/Ppat/Landry/Luc/Salmons). If I'm facing the Kings I'm getting one guy to just stick to McLemore, very much like what the Heat did to Danny Green in game 6/7 and what we should have done with guys like Korver and Ryan Andersen. Now if you want to free Ben up it's going to take a lot of off-ball movement frmo both him and his team mates in setting screens for him and such. Seems like a lot of effort to get your #2 option on the board if you ask me ... He will have to get better at creating for himself if he's ever going to be in an all-star discussion.
Also, just looking at the general concensus here it seems that many feel McLemore will suddenly become open in the regular season just because we have Cousins (the defense is NOT going to plan their schemes around stopping Vasquez/JT/Ppat/Landry/Luc/Salmons). If I'm facing the Kings I'm getting one guy to just stick to McLemore, very much like what the Heat did to Danny Green in game 6/7 and what we should have done with guys like Korver and Ryan Andersen. Now if you want to free Ben up it's going to take a lot of off-ball movement frmo both him and his team mates in setting screens for him and such. Seems like a lot of effort to get your #2 option on the board if you ask me ... He will have to get better at creating for himself if he's ever going to be in an all-star discussion.
Well I definitely agree that he is going to have to work on ball-handling in order to become a good NBA player, and I honestly don't have any illusions about him being on the level of Durant. That being said, young guys who can jump out of the gym and shoot extremely well have all-star potential. You give players like that a couple of seasons, minimum, before you make declare them a bust.
I'm not entirely in agreement with you that athleticism + shooting alone gives you all-star potential, but I will sure give him at least half a season before declaring him a bust. And whether I do or not depends more on what I see in terms of his skills than the actual numbers he puts up. For the record, I thought TRob was a bust, but even now I don't think Jimmer is a bust. I don't think Jimmer will be an all-star, but I see him being coveted as much as Redick. Robinson on the other hand, I see as one of the Morris brothers at best. I could be wrong.
But back to Ben - you know who else is athletic and is a good shooter but can't handle the ball? Danny Green. Not an all-star, but valuable role player. Improvement in ball-handling IMO is more critical for Ben to become a star than shooting is/was for Tyreke.
So we know exactly what Benny Mac's career is going to be after a couple of summer league games? Amazing. This style is not good for his game, period. He plays a team game, not a street ball. That doesn't make him unskilled. Summer league is for guys trying to make an impression to make the team. They could care less about setting up teammates or finding the open man, per se. Ben gets to open spots on the court and waits for his team to find him. Not going to happen. That's not him being lost. That's him expecting the other players to play team ball. No matter if Benny Mac fumbled the ball or not, he looked better when he put his head down and went to the hoop.
What his style is conducive to is the type of team ball that this FO said they are trying to create.
Rick Fox pretty much said it. Be careful about putting your top draft picks in this summer league if it's not going to be good for their game (confidence). If you want Ben to develop at all in this league, the team needs to do exactly what they did in the first game. Run him off screens constantly and let him shoot. Put him in a position to succeed. If you want to build confidence and aggressiveness, tell him to shoot til his heart is content, and forget about FG%. That way he's not thinking about missing shots. When training camp starts, you can reel him in a bit.
What his style is conducive to is the type of team ball that this FO said they are trying to create.
Rick Fox pretty much said it. Be careful about putting your top draft picks in this summer league if it's not going to be good for their game (confidence). If you want Ben to develop at all in this league, the team needs to do exactly what they did in the first game. Run him off screens constantly and let him shoot. Put him in a position to succeed. If you want to build confidence and aggressiveness, tell him to shoot til his heart is content, and forget about FG%. That way he's not thinking about missing shots. When training camp starts, you can reel him in a bit.
Well, at least he shot better than 4-23! Looking at things the way they stand, it's clear M16 has to work on his game, handling in particular. The shooting thing I am not concerned with and don't really care at this point unless it begins to carry into the season and stays that way. I understand he is struggling, but you have to look at the entirety of the situation. He is playing in Summer League and he isn't the type of player that flourishes in this type of basketball atmosphere. He isn't an alpha dog because he can't create for himself (yet?) and summer league tends to be dominated by these players. He depends on others. When he plays in the regular season, he will have Cousins and Vasquez looking for him and it will be easier. Still would like to see improvements during summer league though. Luckily for us, he is 20 and not 30, so improvement can happen. It's a good thing we have several psychics on the forum here that already know what McLemore will be so we don't have to wait and see. What a relief !