[Game] Kings vs Hawks 1/4/2023 7pm Pacific 10pm Eastern
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SacTownKid
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The good sign is he's looking more aggressive on both ends. If there is an answer on the roster to bring it up to the next level, it's him for sure.
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
Keegan played excellent defense overall in this game. Few miscues but was probably second best after Davion.
reptilexcq2
Bench
Exactly. Why does Mike Brown think Keegan is a good defender? His defensive IQ is bad imo. Now, I understand he is in for offense but when you're protecting a small lead, you should put it good defensive player like Okpala or Trey Lyle. Every team is going to pick out the worst defensive player and attack him...that's where the league is going. This is why Davis and Metu get no minutes because they lack intelligence to play great D. Now, Keegan may turn out to be a great defensive player in the future, but right now his defensive IQ is bad imo.
To be honest I would be disappointed in 3-3, but maybe my expectations are too high lol
LoungeLizard
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Ok, this takes the sting off a little bit.
Just want to see this loss propel us to a good home stand. We can really get some separation if we can do that
KainLear
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I understand 100% that we all want to push the goal line further, especially the team and the organization itself because we now have the tools to get there. But that doesn't mean we can skip ahead from learning the nuances of winning in today's NBA. In the games we lost, for the most part, we had to learn some tough lessons, for tonight's game, we have to understand that the refs in their current state would more than likely take the bait on Trae's theatrics. We have to be extra careful (As Kayte pointed out in the first quarter how Fox had both his hands up guarding Trae so he couldn't tie Fox up to draw fouls). These kinds of nuances cannot be taught, it must be learned from experience.
We had John Stockton before, we got Trae Young now. Vets who know where the refs' "blindspot" is.
Tizzy Flip
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He’ll learn, but we’re feeling the pain in the meantime. He’s getting beat way too often by longer, more athletic players. And he fouls 3pt shots feels like once a game. I think we all knew his lack of explosiveness is what would cap his ceiling, but we need him to offset that with better shooting and smarter D (for example, do not leave Hunter open to contest a Collins 3)
KainLear
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It is the growing pain we must suffer. Again, I must point out that this is our first competitive season with the current roster. If this is not the time for Keegan to learn, then when is? This is what "spending a few years learning how to win" is all about. And not like some ignorant poster who calls it a "treadmill".
reptilexcq2
Bench
Some players just ain't good enough to play defense no matter how much you teach them I guess. They're no Davion Mitchell...they have no ability to fight through the screen. You would think Fox learn a thing or two from Davion by now but he is still not aggressive fighting through screen. Davion Mitchell is on a different level...that's why the Hawks never want to confront or attack him one on one.
iowamcnabb
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It’s interesting how different our perspectives are. Some people saw the 3 times or so that Keegan got beat and others saw the 2 blocks, steal, several verticalities and 7 boards.
KingsFanSince85
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So shoddy officiating costs the KINGS again. Shocking!
Seriously, the officiating in the NBA is at an all-time low. It’s an embarrassment.
The KINGS had to waste a challenge on a play that never should have been whistled then can’t challenge Dejounte Murray’s clear push off. Then can’t get a call at the end when Fox and Domas get hacked.
Seriously, teams get away with twice the contact against Fox and Domas than the KINGS get called for against their opponents.
Domas gets elbowed in the face with no call while the Hawks go to the FT line on minimal contact.
But it’s ok. The NBA will apologize for it in their 2 min report. So all is good. SMH.
Seriously, the officiating in the NBA is at an all-time low. It’s an embarrassment.
The KINGS had to waste a challenge on a play that never should have been whistled then can’t challenge Dejounte Murray’s clear push off. Then can’t get a call at the end when Fox and Domas get hacked.
Seriously, teams get away with twice the contact against Fox and Domas than the KINGS get called for against their opponents.
Domas gets elbowed in the face with no call while the Hawks go to the FT line on minimal contact.
But it’s ok. The NBA will apologize for it in their 2 min report. So all is good. SMH.
KainLear
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Bit of a harsh take. From his athleticism, Fox can surely be an above-average defender. While Davion is now being used as the defensive weapon, he's a bit one-dimensional and not always being able to contribute offensively so that has to be weighed in some.
KainLear
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Glass is always half-full for me. Especially since the glass was empty for 16 years... but what do I know?
KingsFanSince85
All-Star
Yeah, it can happen. Cause it did. And Fox is far from the first star to have it happen. You’re probably not old enough, apparently, but it even happened to the likes of MJ and Kobe.
So stop with the hyperbole.
Kingz19
Hall of Famer
They might not apologize. They stood by both of their dogcrap calls that they made vs the Jazz. Obviously the receipts aren’t enough for them to call the Kings better, so maybe they can just start lying.
LoungeLizard
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And don’t forget about Domas getting kicked in the nuts and getting the foul on HIM.
KainLear
Starter
It's gonna be my new signature.
Kingz19
Hall of Famer
gotta get a shot
Bold call to say Keegan has low defensive bball IQ when he just played 2 elite defensive games.
KainLear
Starter
Younger generation with the need for instant gratification.
KingsFanSince85
All-Star
You want to get a shot. But sometimes things happen that prevent it. There’s no gotta’s or guarantees in life.
Like I said, players better than Swipa have been stripped in the clutch. Or otherwise turned it over and made a game-ending mistake. It happens.
Maybe if the officiating was better and more consistent it doesn’t come down to that. I could easily counter and say “gotta have better officiating” but we know that’s not gonna happen either.
Tizzy Flip
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I see both sides. If we’re being honest with ourselves, he had a rough go around against Hunter. That said, Hunter was also a 4th pick 4 years ago for a reason, so he had a tough challenge tonight. They both have similar games, and I think we got a good sense of what Keegan could look like in a few years
reptilexcq2
Bench
I agreed but Davion Mitchell is sort of turning into a one-dimensional player and his shooting always tend to be off. He made a 3 tonight and i was like YES, FINALLY. But man....I just think his shooting form has a lot to do with him missing....why does he shoot with such high arc? It's like a rocket launching deep into space waiting for it to come down to hit the target....lol...instead of directly hitting at the target in the shortest path...he takes the long path. If you study all the great shooters in the NBA, I don't think any of them shoot with such high arc lol.
Bosnian Diehard
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Tough loss. We were on the second night of a back to back so that probably explains the poor shooting and sluggish play. Nonetheless, it was very winnable. We really have to start taking care of home court, especially with such a great crowd. This is either where we separate from the pack and solidify ourselves as a solid Playoff team or we stay in the middle of the pack and fight for a Playoff soot for the rest of the season.
I don't understand why ppl are blaming a rookie's defense on today's lost. Did he make a mistake on that 3pt play? Yes. The problem is he should have never been on the floor when you had KZ on the bench. Second, there were worse mistakes than that 3pt play, eg. Fox got picked and Red Valet was beaten too easily on that in-bound play.
KainLear
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I think Dirk also was known to be a rainbow shooter haha...
But honestly, I think he might have been used to shooting with a high arc due to his size and always having to shoot over tall defenders.
kingsboi
Hall of Famer
Dirk being the exception here
iowamcnabb
Hall of Famer
not only that but he didn’t foul him on that play. It was a bad call as far as I can tell and I watched it several times
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