[Game] Kings v TWolves - 7/17 - 1 pm PDT

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Shabazz916

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good lord.

Jason Williams was amazing to watch. People around the whole country loved watching him play

Nobody likes Spencer Hawes

Jimmermania came from BYU, that isn't something that started in Sacramento. It would have followed him to wherever he got drafted

Nik is showing signs of being a solid player who is more than just a catch and shoot guy and can probably contribute at the NBA level right away, why shouldn't people like that?

j will was amazing to watch... wasn't good enough to be dominant... and we didnt win.. big....

i heard plenty of ppl. loving spencers hawes and hating demarcus cousins at first

jimmer.. was big here too

and ppl shouldn't like solid players because solid players aren't front runners to win big... idk bout you.. but i wanna win big.. i dnt just wanna be 4th in the state...
 

VF21

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like every other basketball fan... your suffering from spurs itish........ with these roles and hitting open shots... you need to erase that from your mind.... and potential is what wins... who has been the best player on the west for the last 15 years... kobe... if you open your eyes he is what ben mac was early in his career... the perfect ex. of potential... not sayn he will be kobe.. but thats what wins finding those types of players and pushing them to reach there potential.... nik mayb a fan fav... becuz u knw ( he is white and ppl especially in the Sacramento region love to see those players do well) but he will be average at best... and average doesn't cut it in the nba
That's precious. Uncia03 has an excellent grasp of the game of basketball. His posts on this board are always well thought out and articulate, and he manages to do them without resorting to insults, slurs, etc. And, BTW, he manages to type in complete and coherent sentences.

Your racist comment about people in Sacramento wanting to see white players do well is ignorant.
 
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jdbraver

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j will was amazing to watch... wasn't good enough to be dominant... and we didnt win.. big....

i heard plenty of ppl. loving spencers hawes and hating demarcus cousins at first

jimmer.. was big here too

and ppl shouldn't like solid players because solid players aren't front runners to win big... idk bout you.. but i wanna win big.. i dnt just wanna be 4th in the state...
So you would take Ben over Larry bird?
 

Entity

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I should have seen this coming. Fans can't handle having two players of equal talent at the same position. It will eventually turn into picking sides, then pointing out the opposing s sides flaws in games, then mockery, then comes the point in which one side wishes failure of the other side just to say I told you so.

Can we be adults this go around?
 
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Shabazz916

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I should have seen this coming. Fans can't handle having two players of equal talent at the same position. It will eventually turn into picking sides, then pointing out the opposing s sides flaws in games, then mockery, then comes the point in which one side wishes failure of the other side just to say I told you so.

Can we be adults this go around?
im nt choosing sides.. im just stating the simple smart basketball choice... do you want the tools of a potential great.. or the space the floor player... and the talent isn't equal... idk where you came up with that
 
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jdbraver

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no but i knw awhole bunch of colored players id take over larry if thats where you going.......
Sorry real skill beats potential all day every day. You haven't even seen what stauskas can do in the nba and u have decided Ben has a higher ceiling? Based on what that he can jump higher. Guess you should go field a team of high jumpers. I'll take skilled bball players.
 
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Shabazz916

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Sorry real skill beats potential all day every day. You haven't even seen what stauskas can do in the nba and u have decided Ben has a higher ceiling? Based on what that he can jump higher. Guess you should go field a team of high jumpers. I'll take skilled bball players.
a team of high jumpers.... umm that man c webb was a high jumper with potential... the owner in charlotte was a high jumper with potential.. i can go on and on but u get thee point
 

VF21

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you take it as skin color... i see it as greats in thee sport
nik mayb a fan fav... becuz u knw ( he is white and ppl especially in the Sacramento region love to see those players do well) but he will be average at best... and average doesn't cut it in the nba
i live in sac.. been here almost all my life...... from j will... spencer hawes.. jimmer... now nik... its all the same...
Backtrack all you like. Your post singled out JWill, Spencer Hawes, Jimmer Fredette and Nik Stauskas. The inference is crystal clear. And it better stop now.
 
j will was amazing to watch... wasn't good enough to be dominant... and we didnt win.. big....

i heard plenty of ppl. loving spencers hawes and hating demarcus cousins at first

jimmer.. was big here too

and ppl shouldn't like solid players because solid players aren't front runners to win big... idk bout you.. but i wanna win big.. i dnt just wanna be 4th in the state...
You know nobody is ever going to take you seriously on this forum (0r in other avenues of life) until you learn how to form coherent sentences.

As for the rest of the nonsense you continually write it's just the same basic premise from you, black basketball players are good and white basketball players are all related to Jimmer.

Granted, I know that all white people look exactly the same (except for Grant Napear and Carrot Top). Sure just about every one of us including Barbara Bush can step out of bed and shoot 40+% plus behind the arc and 85+% from the line. True we all find great inspiration in the Jonas Brothers and consider them national treasures............but just because we all look like Jimmer, we can all shoot like Jimmer, and we all adore the Jonas Brothers doesn't mean we are all the same.
 
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Shabazz916

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Since when is jimmer and hawes greats in the sport?
lol you dnt get it... what i was refuring to is that... i ain't gone lie.. i perfer black players because you have %100 better of winning rings and being a better team... some ppl. on here might see it as being racist.. and turn it into something its not.. but its the truth
 
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jdbraver

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a team of high jumpers.... umm that man c webb was a high jumper with potential... the owner in charlotte was a high jumper with potential.. i can go on and on but u get thee point
And how many people that jump can actually play ball? A small minority. Better to build off of bball skill than physical traits
 

Entity

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a team of high jumpers.... umm that man c webb was a high jumper with potential... the owner in charlotte was a high jumper with potential.. i can go on and on but u get thee point
So we compare been to the greatest player ever and a 6"11 260 lb power forward? Your tires are spinning in oil my friend. Again yes Ben has loads of potential but that doesn't mean you dump on a guy that has played exactly 4 summer league games. Great shooters have a place in the NBA always have always will and the can coexist with great athletes. Nobody plays 48 min
 

Bricklayer

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like every other basketball fan... your suffering from spurs itish........ with these roles and hitting open shots... you need to erase that from your mind.... and potential is what wins... who has been the best player on the west for the last 15 years... kobe... if you open your eyes he is what ben mac was early in his career... the perfect ex. of potential... not sayn he will be kobe.. but thats what wins finding those types of players and pushing them to reach there potential.... nik mayb a fan fav... becuz u knw ( he is white and ppl especially in the Sacramento region love to see those players do well) but he will be average at best... and average doesn't cut it in the nba
outside of the racial stuff, you obviously have no idea what young Kobe looked like. He was special from the first time he stepped on the floor. Inefficient, overaggressive, but an absolute eye opening killer even as a kid. As a rookie he wanted a piece of Michael Jordan. He would have taken young Ben outside, ripped his heart out, stomped on it, then went inside to try to gun up the winning basket.

And no, you are misunderstanding the potential rule anyway. Many fans do. Having the "potential" to be a good bench player, to be a low level starter = crap. Who cares? You can sign those same players every year in free agency. The only players with "potential" who really matter are the potential stars, and maybe potential interior shotblockers. The rare guys who cost $10mil+ to get on the open market. You see a guy like that, you wait on it. Everyone else is replaceable and you don't lose games waiting on them to grow into their mediocrity. Once you have your core, you are ready to go.

But of course the most important thing about Ben is that he is incompetent in absolutely the one (and possibly 2 or 3) areas that we absolutely need out of that position now. We are desperate for ballhandling, passing, and shooting from that spot. Even if he improves Ben will be lucky to ever be mediocre as a ballhandler, and indeed his game is if anything a drain on your offense. He needs people to create his shots for him. Given his dreadful NBA debut there is no real evidence at all he'll be a better shooter than Stauskas (Stauskas was better from 3pt land in college, but Ben was a better FT shooter). The "talent" on this team is Demarcus Cousins and Rudy Gay. And what any good team WILL tell you, is after you have your talent, then its all about fit. Everybody else should support and complement your stars. Nik does, or at least appears to have the traits to do so. Ben was an absolutely terrible fit last year. It is he, not Nik, who has everything to prove about being a complementary player this year. And we can't afford to go around throwing away games coddling him to find out. We are not the Sixers.
 
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I wanted to have the conversation about athleticism vs. steady players and it just got ruined by Shabazz916's last inflammatory post. Hard to have an honest discussion when people are angry.
 

VF21

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I wanted to have the conversation about athleticism vs. steady players and it just got ruined by Shabazz916's last inflammatory post. Hard to have an honest discussion when people are angry.
Suggestion? Start a new thread about athleticism vs. steady players. :)