Kings trying to move up for McLemore?

James Ham ‏@James_Ham 2m
I am now hearing that Tyreke Evans will not be in attendance tonight for the Kings draft party.
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That really doesn't look very promising. Maybe jumping to conclusions, but all signs are pointing towards a 'Reke exit. IF that's the case, the new FO are off to a terrible start in my books.
 
hrdboild said:
Finally a rumor that makes sense. I hope we're at least trying to trade up because that means we have a target in mind. I hate how Geoff would simply sit back and wait every year and let other teams dictate which players were going to be available. I have McLemore at #3 on my board so I'd be thrilled with the pick. Like I said before though, I don't trust any rumors being circulated about our team right now because it's very likely that some deliberate misinformation is involved.

I'd prefer Oladipo as well, but it's not like McLemore needs the ball to be effective. His whole game is moving off the ball and spotting up or cutting to the basket.
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He not only doesn't need the ball but can't use the ball. He's not a great 1 on 1 player. Why not Porter or Oladipo? I don't think it means the end of the Evans' era or at least I don't think it means we won't sign him despite CD's tweet. We would have two BIG guards who also are very quick on their feet which is a nice combo of skills. In the hands of a good coach, this would be an interesting combo.
 
Dime Dropper said:
That really doesn't look very promising. Maybe jumping to conclusions, but all signs are pointing towards a 'Reke exit. IF that's the case, the new FO are off to a terrible start in my books.
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I was wondering about that as well. Was going to be interesting if he attended and we drafted his replacement. I agree there are signs pointing that way now, though conflicting ones as well.

I really like Evans and think his talents have been a badly misused gift. Going to be very sad if the plan is to just let him walk and restart a new rebuild which is what trying to replace him with one of these young draftees
 
Dime Dropper said:
That really doesn't look very promising. Maybe jumping to conclusions, but all signs are pointing towards a 'Reke exit. IF that's the case, the new FO are off to a terrible start in my books.
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Yeah I don't like losing talent for nothing... But we should just hold off judgement and not jump to conclusions . There are a ton of reasons why he couldn't make it.
 
Ooooh, I've said I'm gonna support and trust the process but McLemore in, Reke out is my nightmare scenario! On paper don't know how a Reke/Mclemore backcourt would work... seems light on ballhandling and passing. Seems like we want a two that resembles Klay Thompson a bit though and with that I have no problem.
 
Dime Dropper said:
That really doesn't look very promising. Maybe jumping to conclusions, but all signs are pointing towards a 'Reke exit. IF that's the case, the new FO are off to a terrible start in my books.
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Hmmm. I think I'll wait until later tonight to see how this goes, but that obviously points in one direction.

I will say, letting Reke leave and replacing him with an unproven player who's draft stock is quickly dropping, doesn't sound like a proper risk to be taking, hypothetically.
 
i would rather draft McCollum than McLemore.

and if we lose Tyreke in the process of trying to get McLemore, im really going to be pissed.
 
Kingsfan23 said:
The Kings have already stated they are going to play hardball with him, I would think his agent would advise him to do the same
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They haven't officially said that. That's only according to CD's sources, whoever they are.
 
roasthawg said:
Ooooh, I've said I'm gonna support and trust the process but McLemore in, Reke out is my nightmare scenario! On paper don't know how a Reke/Mclemore backcourt would work... seems light on ballhandling and passing. Seems like we want a two that resembles Klay Thompson a bit though and with that I have no problem.
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mine, too. i just don't value stand-still shooters the way so many other people do. elite penetration is what gets you into the playoffs. the spurs have parker and ginobili (who, despite his terrible finals performance, has always been an elite penetrator). the heat have lebron and wade. a team like the warriors got knocked out of the playoffs precisely because the spurs took away stephen curry's jump shot, and neither curry nor any of his jump-shooting brethren could get to the basket with any amount of sustained success. it was actually jarrett jack who managed to keep that series alive for the warriors, because jack attacked the rim more frequently than his teammates, who rely too heavily on outside shooting. letting 'reke walk in order to thrust mclemore into the starting SG role would be a tremendous misstep, in my mind. even worse to draft a guy like mclemore and stash him on the bench behind marcus thornton. i shudder at the thought, and continue to hope for massive smoke screens...
 
Dime Dropper said:
That really doesn't look very promising. Maybe jumping to conclusions, but all signs are pointing towards a 'Reke exit. IF that's the case, the new FO are off to a terrible start in my books.
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I don't see it that way at all.

Moves are being dictated by agents at this point between Reke, Cuz, Kings, etc. It's all about contract leverage. We still might lose him. But this wouldn't have been a sign of that. That would be a result of a process, of which this is a part.
 
I think were jumping the gun on reke not coming to the draft party means the FO doesnt want him back, as mentioned there could be plenty of other reasons as to why he couldnt make it. He has been the only king who stayed in Sac all off season as well as shown loyalty to sac even when he hasnt been contractually obligated too. Hes had plenty of chances to badmouth the organization but to my knowledge has never came close to being negative in anyway. It doesnt make sense for him to just change his approach now.
 
I don't understand why a defensive minded coach would want McLemore as, as much as I know, young Ben is indifferent to defense. Why not Oladipo? Oladipo seems perfect but I'll rely on other people's opinions as to that opinion. I think this is a smoke screen and fits well with the rumor we aren't going to be going after Reke aggressively. If this is an orchestrated misdirection via rumor play by the FO, I will give them a standing O.

You have to admit that as much info there is that could be leaked about Sacto, we get two that either are true or aren't. That sounded stupid. I meant it either means we really are going after McLemore and letting Tyreke go or we really are going after Oladipo and want to keep Tyreke. I tell ya, one would make me a lot happier than the other.

Why not have a back court with two guys who can play D?
 
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If this is linked with Reke moving on, I'm so dissapointed. This is a young, talented guy that has been a professional his entire time here. He's dealt with position changes, poor coaching, poor management, dysfunctional lineups, etc. He hasn't been a big complainer, he's been an active participant in supporting the fans and the efforts to stay. He has expressed a desire to stay in Sac.

And it sounds like we are going to push him out. Vivek and co are new and maybe they haven't realized how few players have been excited to come here.

I really hope I'm overreacting to things, which wouldn't be unusual.
 
sdballer said:
If this is linked with Reke moving on, I'm so dissapointed. This is a young, talented guy that has been a professional his entire time here. He's dealt with position changes, poor coaching, poor management, dysfunctional lineups, etc. He hasn't been a big complainer, he's been an active participant in supporting the fans and the efforts to stay. He has expressed a desire to stay in Sac.

And it sounds like we are going to push him out. Vivek and co are new and maybe they haven't realized how few players have been excited to come here.

I really hope I'm overreacting to things, which wouldn't be unusual.
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you and i are experiencing the same exact feelings, friend. i want to believe that i'm making waaaaay too much of speculation and rumor, but i'm also made very nervous by the following facts:

1) vivek ranadive, pete d'allesandro, and mike malone are all rookies in their respective roles with the kings.
2) ranadive and malone are warriors alum, and while the warriors' defense improved considerably with malone on board, they're still a live-or-die-by-the-three kinda team, which has never been my preference as a fan.
3) d'allesandro was primarily a number-cruncher in denver, a guy that remains unproven as a talent-evaluator in a lead front office position.

i want to believe that they're willing to give tyreke evans a chance, particularly if it doesn't cost them more than $8-10 million, but it would seem so foolish to let him walk for nothing when the team is bone-dry for worthy assets under contract outside of demarcus cousins...
 
I think we are a little overreacting about Reke's situation. We don't even know what kind of offers he will get, it's impossible to make any conclusions right now. I wouldn't read too much into his absence tonight, there could be 1000 reasons.
 
Padrino said:
you and i are experiencing the same exact feelings. i want to believe that i'm making waaaaay too much of speculation and rumor, but i'm also made very nervous by the following facts: 1) vivek ranadive, pete d'allesandro, and mike malone are all rookies in their respective roles with the kings, 2) ranadive and malone are warriors alum, and while the warriors' defense improved considerably with malone on board, they're still a live-or-die-by-the-three kinda team, which has never been my preference as a fan, and 3) d'allesandro was a number-cruncher in denver, a guy that remains unproven as a talent-evaluator in a lead front office position. i want to believe that they're willing to give tyreke evans a chance, particularly if it doesn't cost them more than $8-10 million, but it just seems so foolish to let him walk for nothing when the team is bone-dry for worthy assets under contract outside of demarcus cousins...
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Well add me to your group. Appreciating what Vivek has done and being optomistic about PDA is different from having confidence because of prior success. Anyone thinking those two will automatically make good basketball decisions is basing it on hope, as there simply isn't any substance to it. And I will continue to hope they make good decisions and continue to hope much of this is smokescreens, but it's still hope, yet that hope will begin to turn to substance, good or bad, within a couple hours.

There's also the aspect both GS and Den lacked penetration and that was a huge part of their downfall, when the jumpers stopped falling they had nowhere to turn. Was it because they hadn't acquired the right pieces yet or was it due to philosophy? Well, we're going to find out pretty quickly. I do not want to see a reliant on jumpshooting, GS/Den part three here in Sac.
 
Usually we'd hear a ton of rumors, and write them off immediately, because Petrie usually plays everything
close to the vest, and doesn't let much info leak out. Excited to see how this new front office operates
 
rainmaker said:
Well add me to your group. Appreciating what Vivek has done and being optomistic about PDA is different from having confidence because of prior success. Anyone thinking those two will automatically make good basketball decisions is basing it on hope, as there simply isn't any substance to it. And I will continue to hope they make good decisions and continue to hope much of this is smokescreens, but it's still hope, yet that hope will begin to turn to substance, good or bad, within a couple hours.

There's also the aspect both GS and Den lacked penetration and that was a huge part of their downfall, when the jumpers stopped falling they had nowhere to turn. Was it because they hadn't acquired the right pieces yet or is it due to philosophy? Well, we're going to find out pretty quickly. I do not want to see a reliant on jumpshooting, GS/Den part three here in Sac.
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they lead the league in paint scoring that's not what I'd call lacking penetration.
 
rainmaker said:
Well add me to your group. Appreciating what Vivek has done and being optomistic about PDA is different from having confidence because of prior success. Anyone thinking those two will automatically make good basketball decisions is basing it on hope, as there simply isn't any substance to it. And I will continue to hope they make good decisions and continue to hope much of this is smokescreens, but it's still hope, yet that hope will begin to turn to substance, good or bad, within a couple hours.

There's also the aspect both GS and Den lacked penetration and that was a huge part of their downfall, when the jumpers stopped falling they had nowhere to turn. Was it because they hadn't acquired the right pieces yet or was it due to philosophy? Well, we're going to find out pretty quickly. I do not want to see a reliant on jumpshooting, GS/Den part three here in Sac.
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Well neither of those teams have a Demarcus cousins down low, so we're a step ahead in that regard

And if Evans sticks around? lol yea... I'm not too worried about becoming a jumpshooting team.
 
jalfa said:
they lead the league in paint scoring that's not what I'd call lacking penetration.
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Two different things. Scoring in the paint in transition which they did a lot of and off a number of putbacks from Faried, an elite offensive rebounder does not equate to half court penetration.

The playoffs made that obvious.
 
James Ham ‏@James_Ham
Just spoke to the Evans camp. Scheduling conflict tonight. Free agency coming. Haven't heard any trade rumors regarding Tyreke.
 
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