For many this team is Sacramento's national identity. You just don't get it.
Or maybe you do and you just don't realize how marginalized many Sacramentans feel by Southern Cal.
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Kings to Anaheim? Details on a Proposed Plan
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The Hammer
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While Anahiem may not technically be LA, it is LA. Distances are larger and metro area congolmerates are thought of in larger ways. A lot of people think of San Jose as the Bay Area and the Bay Area as basically San Fransisco. Yeah it's wierd but that's just how the geography is thought of. Anahiem is LA for all intents and purposes.
Vlade4GM
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I'm not trying to say that I think you should be all hip to the Kings moving out of Sacramento, but to be so anti-socal (a region, not a singular city) based on some stereotypical perception of Sacramento that was propogated by Lakers fans during a basketball rivalry, is ignorant prejudice. Hell, it would at least make some sense if it was directed towards LA, but you're directing it at Orange County as well, which is nothing like LA.
fiction916
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LA is huge, but we can say that the population density of the city of Los Angeles and Orange County are pretty similar--not so with San Francisco and San Jose or Sacramento and Roseville. NorCal is urban and 19th-century and organic. there's just something manufactured and transitory about SoCal.
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I lived in SoCal long enough to have my own opinions on this matter and frankly the difference between LA and OC is marginal at best as far as I'm concerned.
But whatever, its a sports rivalry not world affairs. Calling it "prejudice" is raising it to a level far beyond the fun rivalry that it is.
Just a reminder, they are THE Sacramento Kings right now. I don't care if you are a Kings fan only and the city means little to you. Much of their identity has been built here in this town by these fans who live here. Many on this board are those people. So stop and think before you do what amounts to pissing on our doorstep and root for what has become a huge part of our lives to walk away to your doorstep. It could happen some day or not at all. But I sure would be a little more respectful of another city's situation like this.
Vlade4GM
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You're the one that raised it beyond a simple rivalry. You've taken it from a perception about Lakers fans, to LA, to OC, to all of Southern California.
Maybe I'm just not capable of understanding it from a Sacramento fan's POV, but I don't know why Anaheim would be so insulting compared to Kansas City, Seattle, or Vegas. I could totally understand it sucking for a Kings fan to have the team move to LA, which is the heart of Lakers territory, but Anaheim/OC is a different area. Maybe that's hard for you to distinguish, but it isn't for me.
Vlade4GM
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Look, I'm sorry if my first post on this thread was insensitive. It probably was, I posted it without really thinking.
However, all I've done other than that is defend Anaheim/OC as a viable option for an NBA team, and to argue that there is no reason for Sac-based fans to lump OC in with LA as a target of scorn. I know it's gotta be tough to lose a team, but if you can't handle that kind of discussion, then maybe you shouldn't read this particular thread, since that's pretty much the topic.
I've never even been to Sacramento, so I can't say I really know what it means to be in some here's shoes. I became a fan just out of admiration for the Adelman team, I liked the team, and I've followed the Kings ever since because I didn't really have much of a desire to follow the Lakers or Clippers. I've never tried to pass myself off as more than that. I'm only being honest that I would love for any team to move to Anaheim, and if the Kings are going to move, I'd rather it them that moves there. Is that really so bad?
Would I feel bad for Sacramento fans? Of course. I felt bad for Seattle fans and I was totally indifferent to that franchise. I respect all of you guys, I don't know if there are more dedicated fans in the NBA from what I can tell, and I don't just blow smoke with comments like that, I sincerely mean it. It would sadden me if you guys were without a team. I only see a potential move to Anaheim as a consolation, at least for me. If they moved anywhere else, I'd probably lose interest because even though I can't personally identify with Sacramento, it's part of the Kings appeal.
However, all I've done other than that is defend Anaheim/OC as a viable option for an NBA team, and to argue that there is no reason for Sac-based fans to lump OC in with LA as a target of scorn. I know it's gotta be tough to lose a team, but if you can't handle that kind of discussion, then maybe you shouldn't read this particular thread, since that's pretty much the topic.
I've never even been to Sacramento, so I can't say I really know what it means to be in some here's shoes. I became a fan just out of admiration for the Adelman team, I liked the team, and I've followed the Kings ever since because I didn't really have much of a desire to follow the Lakers or Clippers. I've never tried to pass myself off as more than that. I'm only being honest that I would love for any team to move to Anaheim, and if the Kings are going to move, I'd rather it them that moves there. Is that really so bad?
Would I feel bad for Sacramento fans? Of course. I felt bad for Seattle fans and I was totally indifferent to that franchise. I respect all of you guys, I don't know if there are more dedicated fans in the NBA from what I can tell, and I don't just blow smoke with comments like that, I sincerely mean it. It would sadden me if you guys were without a team. I only see a potential move to Anaheim as a consolation, at least for me. If they moved anywhere else, I'd probably lose interest because even though I can't personally identify with Sacramento, it's part of the Kings appeal.
Kings Faithful
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Personally I would never want to take another city's team... I'd rather be teamless. I've grown up with the Kings since I was little and they've been a huge part of my child hood and my adult hood. Having them leave would be is like taking part of my life away and I wish that upon no one.
Vlade4GM
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I understand as much as an "outsider" reasonably can. I don't see why I can't understand as well as want them to move to Anaheim as opposed to Kansas City or something.
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Vlade4GM
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The Kings were in Kansas City for 13 years before Sacramento. So you did take another city's team.
Because for many of us it goes beyond Kings and Lakers. It's Giants-Dodgers. Cal vs. UCLA. When LA had football teams it was the Niners vs. the Rams and the Niners vs. the Raiders. Oh and those Rams played in Anaheim but billed themselves as the LA Rams. Same as the Angels are trying to pull. I get that you see Anaheim as way different than LA but people outside the region don't.
Exactly. I lived in Orange County for 2.5 years. I know it is somewhat different than LA. But it isn't Sacramento - San Francisco different. It is more Sacramento - Roseville/Rocklin different. It is still one large metropolis and generally lumped together as a populated "unit" to those outside the area. It is the greater LA area, and that is enough for us to hate the idea.
Of course the idea of the Kings moving ANYWHERE stinks, and it hasn't come to that yet, but the idea of them moving to Anaheim makes my skin crawl.
Kings Faithful
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That's a good point but I wasn't around back then. Had I been I might of been against the move... at least kansas city has other sports franchises...
Trueblood
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I love the idea of San Diego getting a team but they aren't in the equation. They've lost the NBA twice, the city is bankrupt and they have no plans or money for a new arena. Their priority is a new Chargers stadium and they can't even get their act together for that. In fact, they are in debt on the Padres new stadium. Great stadium but it was a much costlier endeavor then they thought.
Trueblood
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Exactly. This is why I pushed so hard for the Clippers to move to Anaheim when they had the chance...or should I say chances. Now, there is the oversaturation angle. If the Clips are at the Honda Center, we aren't even having this thread and there would be one less city to threaten to take the Kings.
lol im not talking about you. i read an article and in the comments section people were talking about how they cant wait for the kings to move and it woud be a lot better for the city if they leave. just very frustrating stuff.
ArcoKings
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I was wrong thinking the city of Sacramento had civic pride. I've read these comments before and can't understand why a large percentage of folks from Sacramento dislike their own team and its owners & want them out?? If it wasn't a large percentage then the voters would have said YES on a new arena. If the citizens really wanted their team to stay they'd work together. So sad.
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I live in South Orange County, but am on the road a lot for business in Sacto, SD, Portland and Seattle. The typical sports fan in OC doesn't care about anything beyond the Angels. Of course, we have a core base for the Mighty Ducks, and they have been incredibly fun to watch this decade. Still, all I know of around here is a few casual Angel fans and virtually no Duck fans. Yet I do run into Laker fans here. One dude is building a house at Covenant Hills and has a personalized Lakers sports court outside. Makes me sick. I try to understand it. I'm not a native Californian, so I have trouble with it, I guess. Still, I don't think the Kings would be well-supported here. This is what I expect to hear, "yeah, I'll go from time-to-time because it is a lot easier to get up to Anaheim than to Staples in downtown L.A.". Seriously, this is why a lot of people would finally come, but that won't necessarily translate into a full arena. In fact, I know it won't.
The OC Register would do a good job covering the team. The L.A. Times would cover it a bit, but the team would play 3rd fiddle. To say nothing of the fact that the Kings would have to compete for air time on KCAL9 and FSN West/Prime Ticket with two other NBA teams AND two other NHL teams. Good God, this move doesn't make sense to me, and I do want to see an NBA tenant at The Pond (Honda Center). Just not this team.
The OC Register would do a good job covering the team. The L.A. Times would cover it a bit, but the team would play 3rd fiddle. To say nothing of the fact that the Kings would have to compete for air time on KCAL9 and FSN West/Prime Ticket with two other NBA teams AND two other NHL teams. Good God, this move doesn't make sense to me, and I do want to see an NBA tenant at The Pond (Honda Center). Just not this team.
RookieOfTheDay
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I think it's more that a large percentage of folks just aren't basketball fans. They often can't see, or don't want to see that a new arena and having an NBA team can be beneficial to the region as a whole, not just basketball fans. They have no interest in the sport or the team so they couldn't care less if they leave and they'd actually rather they leave than have their "hard earned tax dollars" pay for an arena they don't figure benefits them. That's the mindset. I can relate because there was a time 10 years ago when I would have had the a similar attitude.
hoopsfan
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It started long before anything Kings/Lakers related...long before.
jcwkings
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as a so cal kings fan, them moving the team to anaheim would not only be awesome, but it makes complete sense. Many would think So cal couldn't handle 3 pro basketball teams, but Anaheim is the perfect city to put a team. Orange County is filled to the brim with rich people who follow the angels and ducks of the nhl. I think that community would totally embrace having a pro basketball team. Another big thing is this move would make us a much bigger player in not only free agency but keeping our stars in tyreke and cousins, anaheim being a short drive from LA and Hollywood. I feel bad for you people in Sacramento, but this move makes total sense, and honestly your city has done a poor job of convincing them to stay with the poor attendance and arena issues. Honda Center is a nice arena.
This is why the Clippers need to move to Anaheim, but old man Sterling is a stubborn dude. He likes his little ride from Beverly Hills to Staples. Doesn't want to drive down the fwy to Anaheim or be a player outside of Los Angeles proper. Total head case.
I agree that there would be some fans from the IE come to the Honda Center for games. And there would be some OC support. I don't see much support from L.A. County, but that is nothing new and the OC can survive on it's own.
Still, I find it very problematic to bring a 3rd team into the area. Again, you have to compete with 4 other pro franchises for TV/radio time in the area, particularly on KCAL9 and the two FSNs. If the Clippers were not in the region, then I'd see OC as being at the top of the relo list.
SD does not have an arena. The Sports Arena is not up to par.
Seattle does not have an arena. Key Arena is sub-par.
Until these cities get their arena issues resolved, they are simply non-players.
If the NBA approves a move like th is, ,or any Kings move, it will be because the team has run out of arena options in the Sac area. Sad. I don't want to see it. Admittedly, I am not a Kings fan, but I don't like the Fakers or Clippers either.
The move makes a lot of sense if you're living in Anaheim or OC and a Kings fan. Otherwise not so much for a ton of reasons that have all been listed. The raw numbers are there but that's about it.
Agreed that Clips to Anaheim makes a TON of sense. Or any team to Anaheim once the Clips are gone.
Agreed that Clips to Anaheim makes a TON of sense. Or any team to Anaheim once the Clips are gone.
Vlade4GM
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There's no doubt that the Clippers moving to Anaheim makes the most sense, but it will never happen as long as Sterling is the owner. He had all the opportunity to move to Anaheim and he chose to stay in LA. He's making money off the franchise and he's a big shot in LA, I doubt there's anything more he wants from the Clippers.
Trueblood
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This is true. They're in Staples as long as Sterling is around. But keep in mind that he's getting old. 77 to be exact and this thing could start getting old for him in a hurry. Not to mention that we could see his health decline and his heirs have no interest in keeping this team.
Also remember that he is currently being sued by old employee Elgin Baylor. That and although he settled the racism suits, they still hang over his head as a symbol of what a scumbag he is. Eventually, he may get tired of the bad press and overall negativity. We never thought Chris Cohan or George Shinn would see either but look what happened.
Another thing to consider is that in one of the many Kings to Anaheim articles, I saw something that said that Samueli tried to purchase the Kings but was rebuffed. From everything I heard before, he had no interest in buying a team but rather just hosting one at the Honda Center. If he's making offers around the league, that strengthens the case for an Anaheim team that isn't the Kings.
Trueblood
Bench
The problem with the Grizz is that it's pretty expensive to get out of their lease right now. When you tack on a relocation fee to the amount it would cost to break the lease, it makes the whole relocation endeavor not pencil out. OTOH, if they are still struggling at the gate in 3 or 4 years, when it becomes a lot cheaper to leave, they will be a relocation candidate.
Same with the Pacers. They have a new, short term lease. If they don't find a long term one in 3 years, they could be on the move as well but I agree with you, the Hornets are the team that needs to go ASAP and then the league needs to make an effort to work it out in Indy and Memphis. The big hurdle is done in those towns as they have first class buildings.
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