Wasn't that in the context of having Ty as coach though? He was saying that you have to give the process time, that they have to go and get whoever they want as their long-term coach, be it Corbin or whoever else. Don't remember what he said exactly. But I do clearly recall him saying it's great to have passionate ownership, that this FO and ownership group are sticking together and are stable or something along those lines. Definitely brought up the pace thing a lot as well.
Kings speak with Mark Jackson after ESPN broadcast
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Relax not every "reported talk" has meaning. If we are going to get worked up every time a PDA, Vivek or some other person in the organization talk to, or about a potential coach it may be a very long bumpy ride ESPECIALLY if Corbin really does have the job until the end of the season because as long as he sits in the HC there will always be speculation about replacing him.
He was talking about Malone. And himself.
This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Takes years for players and coaches to gain trust. A good chunk of this team was just thrown together this offseason. And the front office has clinched the players will NEVER EVER trust them again.
If Boogie sticks this out, I'll be amazed. Doesn't sound like he fits into NBA 3.0 at all. Maybe they just signed him as an asset? Phase 1 was asset accumulation. Phase 2 is whatever this is right now? The desperate for a coach phase?
This is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. Takes years for players and coaches to gain trust. A good chunk of this team was just thrown together this offseason. And the front office has clinched the players will NEVER EVER trust them again.
If Boogie sticks this out, I'll be amazed. Doesn't sound like he fits into NBA 3.0 at all. Maybe they just signed him as an asset? Phase 1 was asset accumulation. Phase 2 is whatever this is right now? The desperate for a coach phase?
Tetsujin makes a good point about the possible hiring of M Jackson. I like the guy a lot. He got screwed by the Warriors in the same way that Malone got screwed by the Kings. Since Malone and Jackson worked together in the Bay, the transition would probably be a lot easier if he MJ followed Malone. He is well aware of the problems with the Kings management, but he seems motivated to get back into coaching.
Mullins is well aware of the risk involved in taking the coaching job. He will probably pass on the idea since he does not want to jeopardize his current position.
Karl is starting to seem like the cleanest alternative, and the most likely.
Mullins is well aware of the risk involved in taking the coaching job. He will probably pass on the idea since he does not want to jeopardize his current position.
Karl is starting to seem like the cleanest alternative, and the most likely.
You can read that in many different ways: Cousins was there, Gays wasn't there, Vivek wasn't there, PDA joined late, etc, etc.
My take is if this was an interview it should have lasted much more than 90 mins and Jackson would have requested time to prepare and PDA would have been there from the very beginning. If it was meant as a quick preliminary interview then Cousins didn't need to be there, it could have been done over the phone during normal hours instead of 10:30 pm at night, and still no reason for PDA to be late.
Imo, a lot of hoopla over nothing. That doesn't mean the Kings won't eventually circle back and hire Jackson, but that happened last nite isn't an interview. Maybe at best a feeling-out process.
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My take is if this was an interview it should have lasted much more than 90 mins and Jackson would have requested time to prepare and PDA would have been there from the very beginning. If it was meant as a quick preliminary interview then Cousins didn't need to be there, it could have been done over the phone during normal hours instead of 10:30 pm at night, and still no reason for PDA to be late.
Imo, a lot of hoopla over nothing. That doesn't mean the Kings won't eventually circle back and hire Jackson, but that happened last nite isn't an interview. Maybe at best a feeling-out process.
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This makes ZERO sense.
Didn't they say they want to run-run-run-run, and explore new offensive concepts and out of the box thinking?
Mark Jackson ticks all those boxes the same way Mike Malone did.
I honestly have no idea how can this front office, after all the explanation they've given as to why exactly they fired Coach Malone, sit with a straight face as they meet with the lines of Mark Jackson and Vinny F. Del Negro.
They know they want and need George Karl, we know they want and need George Karl, George Karl knows they want and need George Karl.
Here's a crazy thought - HIRE GEORGE KARL.
Anything else would be like a huge slap in the face and insult to the intelligence of both the fans and the basketball world, as they go on and on about offensive ideology with how they want to move forward, and go on to meet and discuss 2 middle of the pack coaches who are not known AT ALL for their offensive genius nor playing in a fast pace.
the only reason they won't hire George Karl is because PDA wants full and total control over this team, and George Karl is too big a coach/authority to butt heads with and get his wish to have a proxy coach to abide his word.
Didn't they say they want to run-run-run-run, and explore new offensive concepts and out of the box thinking?
Mark Jackson ticks all those boxes the same way Mike Malone did.
I honestly have no idea how can this front office, after all the explanation they've given as to why exactly they fired Coach Malone, sit with a straight face as they meet with the lines of Mark Jackson and Vinny F. Del Negro.
They know they want and need George Karl, we know they want and need George Karl, George Karl knows they want and need George Karl.
Here's a crazy thought - HIRE GEORGE KARL.
Anything else would be like a huge slap in the face and insult to the intelligence of both the fans and the basketball world, as they go on and on about offensive ideology with how they want to move forward, and go on to meet and discuss 2 middle of the pack coaches who are not known AT ALL for their offensive genius nor playing in a fast pace.
the only reason they won't hire George Karl is because PDA wants full and total control over this team, and George Karl is too big a coach/authority to butt heads with and get his wish to have a proxy coach to abide his word.
There's just the small matter that Mark Jackson is literally nothing like what PDA described in vision of what the coach should be, as he explained Malone being sacked.
In fact, Jackson is much more like Malone then anything else - So his hiring would be as mind boggling or even more-so then Malone being fired.
With Pete sharing his ideology and saying exactly why Malone was fired he kinda put himself in a corner for me - cause the ONLY coach that fits Pete description is George Karl. And if Pete hires anyone else, atleast out of the known 'candidates' he comes out as a flat out liar to me, who thinks he can BS his fanbase around.
In fact, Jackson is much more like Malone then anything else - So his hiring would be as mind boggling or even more-so then Malone being fired.
With Pete sharing his ideology and saying exactly why Malone was fired he kinda put himself in a corner for me - cause the ONLY coach that fits Pete description is George Karl. And if Pete hires anyone else, atleast out of the known 'candidates' he comes out as a flat out liar to me, who thinks he can BS his fanbase around.
Except our personnel aren't exactly equipped to play like the Warriors. Steph Curry has developed into an MVP frontrunner, Klay has developed into an All-Star. Heck, their third guard is another former all-star in Iguodala. Conversely, the Warriors have no one on their roster capable of doing what Cuz does.
Saying we should play like the Warriors is one thing. Actually doing it isn't quite so easy.
Saying we should play like the Warriors is one thing. Actually doing it isn't quite so easy.
George Karl wont happen, its simple to see.
Karl has more pedigree and success than anyone in the organization (PDA/Mullin/Vivek) and they already had problems taming an old school styled Malone who just wanted to be left alone to coach while they did their job and provided players.
They want a puppet who will implement their silly ideas and use their "data" to coach, no way they hire someone who holds more wieght than any of them.
Karl has more pedigree and success than anyone in the organization (PDA/Mullin/Vivek) and they already had problems taming an old school styled Malone who just wanted to be left alone to coach while they did their job and provided players.
They want a puppet who will implement their silly ideas and use their "data" to coach, no way they hire someone who holds more wieght than any of them.
If it wasn't an interview of some sort, then my first question would be why the hell are we spending two hours talking to a guy we have no interest in when we just fired our coach and need a replacement?
If it was an interview, then my first question would be why the hell are you wasting two hours talking to a guy who's about as similar to Malone as you can get from the available options out there and in no way meets the up-tempo, up and down criteria our FO/owner want?
We have no plan. Just keep flinging **** at the wall and hoping something sticks.
If it was an interview, then my first question would be why the hell are you wasting two hours talking to a guy who's about as similar to Malone as you can get from the available options out there and in no way meets the up-tempo, up and down criteria our FO/owner want?
We have no plan. Just keep flinging **** at the wall and hoping something sticks.
Quick intro to business world for people with high salaries and connections.
When you know a guy and have worked with him in the past, you don't need a formal interview and power point presentations. You gauge their interest and sell your vision. It is absolutely necessary to have Cousins there as well because that's the guy Jackson would have to decide if he wants to work with and vice versa. If they don't like eachother, no further negotiation needed.
This was quite honestly pretty formal to have the meeting in a Kings office vs. Going out to dinner and "catching up." Nothing may come of this, but this was a real meeting to see where everyone was at.
When you know a guy and have worked with him in the past, you don't need a formal interview and power point presentations. You gauge their interest and sell your vision. It is absolutely necessary to have Cousins there as well because that's the guy Jackson would have to decide if he wants to work with and vice versa. If they don't like eachother, no further negotiation needed.
This was quite honestly pretty formal to have the meeting in a Kings office vs. Going out to dinner and "catching up." Nothing may come of this, but this was a real meeting to see where everyone was at.
That's ridiculous thinking. But all too common in the NBA, which isn't exactly populated with great minds.
First of all, Vivek doesn't emulate out of anything but fandom, and because he;s infested with these Golden State parasites,who ironically Golden State canned. We're not even talking about good Golden State personnel. We're talking about personnel Golden State tossed aside to become what they are today.
Secondly, attempts to emulate teams, besides showing no spine, inevitably fail for the simple reason that teams don;t exist int he NBA. Players exist. Emulating Golden State without the unique entities that are Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson is pointless. And those unique entities BTW have never made it past the 2nd round of the playoffs, just in case anybody wanted to gloss over this wondrous entity our front office is so fascinated with.
First of all, Vivek doesn't emulate out of anything but fandom, and because he;s infested with these Golden State parasites,who ironically Golden State canned. We're not even talking about good Golden State personnel. We're talking about personnel Golden State tossed aside to become what they are today.
Secondly, attempts to emulate teams, besides showing no spine, inevitably fail for the simple reason that teams don;t exist int he NBA. Players exist. Emulating Golden State without the unique entities that are Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson is pointless. And those unique entities BTW have never made it past the 2nd round of the playoffs, just in case anybody wanted to gloss over this wondrous entity our front office is so fascinated with.