HereWeBoogie
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exactly.
[Game] Kings @ Portland - 10/20/13
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exactly.
miltonap
Starter
re-watch the 4th quarter? You're one of those stats guys huh, see I'm not. I analyze what's actually going on on the court
Do you really not see how he could have played much better if he moved the ball more? No one is saying that it was only his fault that we lost but most of us can see how we would have played much better if he didn't shoot so much.
I watched IT be the only way we were able to generate any sort of scoring.
treach1976
Bench
IT does what IT does. That's the kind of player he is. He gets in, takes over games, and changes the momentum. But he looks for his shot first and passes out if he can't draw a foul or get open. He didn't almost win the game and he didn't lose the game. If you want to know who lost the game, it was Malone with the 3 guard set to end the game... but I doubt Malone cares. He was probably more interested in letting the guys play it out a bit. Just a preseason game... he's probably just trying to figure out how to use his guys.
So who's going to create? Let Ppat ISO? Outlaw ISO? Good plan.
Without Cousins, IT is our only offensive player with the ability to create for himself and others. And guess what, he and McLemore's shooting erased a huge Portland lead.
What doesn't make sense to me is why we're once again focused on IT when we had 4 perfectly fine scape-goats in the starting 5 tonight with JT, Salmons, Thornton and Vasquez,
What are you talking about who is going to create? IT is going to create. He is the point guard. He initiates the offense when he is out there as he has the ball in his hands. Forcing shots and taking an excessive amount of shots when it was his passing that brought us back is foolish.
We are focused on IT because he was the one who was playing at the end. It wasn't Thornton, JT, Salmons or Vasquez. We could talk about rebounding and letting the other team get a bunch of offensive boards but that isn't something that is as interesting to discuss. We could talk about the defense, but with three guards and a small lineup that is a combined failure too. So we talk about IT as he had the ball in his hands the most.
What's with the beef on Thomas? We were in the game at the end and the positive stuff that got us there has to be credited to Thomas' watch.
Useful game for the coaching staff. Shows that if we work hard on it , there is more than one way to skin a cat. I read the last 20 or 30 posts and no one mentioned Patterson's good shooting. There may be a tilt to this board. Just saying...........
Useful game for the coaching staff. Shows that if we work hard on it , there is more than one way to skin a cat. I read the last 20 or 30 posts and no one mentioned Patterson's good shooting. There may be a tilt to this board. Just saying...........
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Chicken Chaser
Bench
Did Coach Malone bench Thornton, Salmons, and JT(?) because they weren't playing team ball? Never saw them at all and we even resorted to a small lineup of IT/Jimmer/BMac/Outlaw-PPat/Hayes.
HereWeBoogie
Hall of Famer
we can debate about IT all we want, but the fact is, Malone is MOST LIKELY going to have GV running the team when the season comes
More likely because it is preseason and he more or less knows what those guys bring.
Were you able to watch tonight?
Plenty of people were "hating" on IT last year when he was taking many more shots than Tyreke.
No, but I was following the comeback on nba.com play by play. What did Thomas do that didn't do in the past when he was having a good game. Sounded like our Thomas to me except he had more assists tha usual. What did you see that was unusual for Thomas? I suppose you would rather have Lillard.
The Hammer
All-Star
I missed the first 43 minutes of this one. Tell me stories about Ben McLemore.
Same IT as normal. My hope was that he would pass a bit more and shoot a bit less under Malone. A few games here in the preseason he has had amazing assists numbers. With having some guys playing alongside him now that can knock down shots I thought he might be more willing to kick it out to them instead of throwing up quick shots.
If he plays the way he has always played, that will be fine if he ends up coming off the bench. As with any young player though, you hope he improves and learns more of what works and what doesn't. His size will always be a handicap but if he was willing to move the ball more I see no reason he couldn't pass GV in the rotation if we got a big who can block shots and cover for him some (much like it would be for Jimmer).
ah, the imagination of Kings fans. If by "many" you mean "exactly the same rate of shooting" then yes
King Baller
All-Star
Well the starting back court of GV and MT was 5 for 17. IT was 5 for 17 all by his lonesome
But I did not see the game. I'm just looking at the box score. Judging by the +/- it appears the reserves made a nice run and the starters stunk it up. Except for PPat who played 40 plus minutes and scored 27 pts on 11 for 17 shooting. Also got 8 boards while going 3 of 5 from the 3 point line. Not bad PPat, not bad at all.Ben Mac scored 23 points on 10 for 16. That will do at the SG spot
KB
PS From the limited video on NBA.com Thomas Robinson threw down a wicked one hand dunk in traffic. He looked mad
Wrong again, Jamal. While I didn't go back and look at the game thread it is probably safe to assume that during the game vs the Nuggest where Tyreke played 32 minutes and IT played 34 there were comments on IT shooting too many shots and Tyreke shooting to few. There were many games like this, as I said.
Your attitude and comments towards anyone who utters a word of what you consider negativity towards IT is getting tiring. Most of us don't hate him, in fact most of us like IT. We comment on him just as we comment on Cousins when we see weakness in his game that we hope he can improve.
Wrong again, Jamal. While I didn't go back and look at the game thread it is probably safe to assume that during the game vs the Nuggest where Tyreke played 32 minutes and IT played 34 there were comments on IT shooting too many shots and Tyreke shooting to few. There were many games like this, as I said.
Your attitude and comments towards anyone who utters a word of what you consider negativity towards IT is getting tiring. Most of us don't hate him, in fact most of us like IT. We comment on him just as we comment on Cousins when we see weakness in his game that we hope he can improve.
You never cease to amaze, my friend. IT took 14.1 FGA/36. Tyreke took 13.7 FGA/36. One game means nothing to me
If +0.4 rate qualifies as "many" to you, then hey. More power to ya.
Btw, I don't think IT should start. His value lies exactly as he displayed tonight: Providing a huge offensive spark when we need it.
Here, I will copy and paste EXACTLY what I typed before so you can try to work on your reading comprehension. I'll even highlight the important part to make is harder for you to miss, although you still probably will.
"Plenty of people were "hating" on IT last year when he was taking many more shots than Tyreke."
The when word means that people were "hating" on IT when he was taking many more shots than any player (not just Tyreke) who deserved to be getting the looks. During those games when IT was taking many more shots he received well deserved "hate".
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
In other, less confrontational news, if it seemed like Thomas Robinson was really into tonight's game, it's because he was.
http://www.csnnw.com/blog/blazers-talk/robinson-gets-little-redemption-he-helps-blazers-defeat-kings
While I applaud the drive to prove himself, I don't suppose anyone told T-Rob that there is essentially no one in the front office/coaching staff/Ownership group left from the group that traded him. Not to mention it was preseason
http://www.csnnw.com/blog/blazers-talk/robinson-gets-little-redemption-he-helps-blazers-defeat-kings
While I applaud the drive to prove himself, I don't suppose anyone told T-Rob that there is essentially no one in the front office/coaching staff/Ownership group left from the group that traded him. Not to mention it was preseason
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Yes! About Lillard that is. No comparison...
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I didn't see the game, thanks to the basketball god's that despise me. So, all I can say, is that I don't want my starting PG, unless his name is Chris Paul, or Rose, taking 17 shots, especially if he's only going to make 5 of them. Now if I don't want my starting PG to take that many shots, the I sure as hell don't want my backup PG taking that many shots. I love the 10 assists. Kudo's for that, but lets tone down the shot attempts. As for comparing IT to Tyreke, and saying that IT managed to take about one shot less than Tyreke a game, really proves the point that IT shoots too much. That's like saying that Muggsy Bogues doesn't shoot too much because he only took one shot less than Ray Allen.
Tyreke was perceived to be the star, or at least one of two stars on this team. IT was the 60th pick in the draft. Let me see, who do I think should take the most shots? Look! I like IT, but he has a shooters mentality, and personally, if this is the type of disscussion were going to have every game, then I hope we trade him and end this crap. There are times when I seriously question IT's BBIQ. He gets you back into a game by creating for others, well done there, and then becomes a selfish player and shoots you right back out of the game. He is at times, his own worse enemy. All that said, he has the talent to be one hell of a player off the bench. He just has to stop trying to prove to the world how great his is. Because frankly, the world doesn't care.
Tyreke was perceived to be the star, or at least one of two stars on this team. IT was the 60th pick in the draft. Let me see, who do I think should take the most shots? Look! I like IT, but he has a shooters mentality, and personally, if this is the type of disscussion were going to have every game, then I hope we trade him and end this crap. There are times when I seriously question IT's BBIQ. He gets you back into a game by creating for others, well done there, and then becomes a selfish player and shoots you right back out of the game. He is at times, his own worse enemy. All that said, he has the talent to be one hell of a player off the bench. He just has to stop trying to prove to the world how great his is. Because frankly, the world doesn't care.
treach1976
Bench
This is pretty much exactly what happened this game. He did a great job getting us back into the game, but he didn't seem to be able to adjust when the defense adjusted to him and he started forcing the issue a bit too much. He had 10 assists which was great, but in the last 6 minutes he way over dominated the ball and that was the problem.
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treach1976
Bench
btw - the commentators were also riding on Isaiah for his ball domination (despite his having 10 assists).... 3 times the comment was made, "another shot attempt by Isaiah who probably shoots the ball a little too much", and then on the pass in the late 4th for the dunk by McLemore, "a rare pass by Isaiah, leading to a..." Again, it seems funny in a game when he dished out so many assists, but if you watched it, you would pick up on what was happening.
I'm not hating on IT, I think he has a solid product to contribute to the game - and this was just a preseason game so the loss doesn't bother me, just providing context for the criticism in this thread.
I'm not hating on IT, I think he has a solid product to contribute to the game - and this was just a preseason game so the loss doesn't bother me, just providing context for the criticism in this thread.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
This is just my opinion, so take it for what its worth. I've played the game. Not basketball, but baseball. But in this conversation, that part doesn't matter. Players fall into three groups. There are the great players, and yes, I'm lumping them all together and avoiding the superstar crap. There are the blue collar players. Very important! They do all the dirty work. They provide the structure in which the great players operate. And then there are the players in between the two groups. Better than the blue collar, but not quite good enough to be considered a great player.
The hard part for any player, because we all think were great when we start, I know I did, is to realize your limitations, and then accept them. Its actually harder for a player than it is for a fan of that player. We all want our favorite players to succeed, and be better than expected. There is some vicarious living going on. The players that cause the biggest disruption on any team, regardless of the sport, are those that always think their just one hit, basket, touchdown, or goal away from reaching that next elusive level. Most, over time, figure it out, and go on to have very productive careers. And some never do. They keep thinking they'll manage to grab that brass ring the next time around. Dwight Howard springs to mind. If he just played to his strengths, like Ben Wallace did, and accept the fact that he has limitations on the offensive side of the ball, his critics would turn into fans.
Right now, I put IT into that group in the middle, and he's struggling to be in the top group. I'm certainly not going to predict that he'll never make it, but its unlikely. He has a fire in his belly that's not uncommon to undersized players. It sort of comes with the territory. Its a curse and a blessing at the same time. Its his motivation, and his addiction. He's so talented, and if he can take that fire and direct it, channel it, into the team concept, and leave his dream of being the hero behind, he can be one of the best 6th men in the league. As a player, that's a hard thing to let go of. Because your motivation comes from having the goal to be the best. Its a hard thing to learn how to accept that you'll never be the best, while still maintaining the fire that drove you to be the best. I probably didn't explain that very well, but feelings are hard to put down on paper.
You see IT is the mirror opposite of Cousins. Not in skills, but in image. One is larger than life, and the other one wants to be larger than life. As a result, their achievements, good or bad, are spotlighted more than other players. One is always being criticized for underachieving and the other is being criticized for trying to overachieve. Not fair to either, but when you play on the big stage, its expected. Here's the bottom line, and bear in mind, its just my opinion. I. Thomas has the ability to be one hell of a player off the bench, and a huge fan favorite. I hope that he can accept that, because if he can't, its not only his loss, but ours.
The hard part for any player, because we all think were great when we start, I know I did, is to realize your limitations, and then accept them. Its actually harder for a player than it is for a fan of that player. We all want our favorite players to succeed, and be better than expected. There is some vicarious living going on. The players that cause the biggest disruption on any team, regardless of the sport, are those that always think their just one hit, basket, touchdown, or goal away from reaching that next elusive level. Most, over time, figure it out, and go on to have very productive careers. And some never do. They keep thinking they'll manage to grab that brass ring the next time around. Dwight Howard springs to mind. If he just played to his strengths, like Ben Wallace did, and accept the fact that he has limitations on the offensive side of the ball, his critics would turn into fans.
Right now, I put IT into that group in the middle, and he's struggling to be in the top group. I'm certainly not going to predict that he'll never make it, but its unlikely. He has a fire in his belly that's not uncommon to undersized players. It sort of comes with the territory. Its a curse and a blessing at the same time. Its his motivation, and his addiction. He's so talented, and if he can take that fire and direct it, channel it, into the team concept, and leave his dream of being the hero behind, he can be one of the best 6th men in the league. As a player, that's a hard thing to let go of. Because your motivation comes from having the goal to be the best. Its a hard thing to learn how to accept that you'll never be the best, while still maintaining the fire that drove you to be the best. I probably didn't explain that very well, but feelings are hard to put down on paper.
You see IT is the mirror opposite of Cousins. Not in skills, but in image. One is larger than life, and the other one wants to be larger than life. As a result, their achievements, good or bad, are spotlighted more than other players. One is always being criticized for underachieving and the other is being criticized for trying to overachieve. Not fair to either, but when you play on the big stage, its expected. Here's the bottom line, and bear in mind, its just my opinion. I. Thomas has the ability to be one hell of a player off the bench, and a huge fan favorite. I hope that he can accept that, because if he can't, its not only his loss, but ours.
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