Kings(or Royals) 2011-2012 roster

[jcwkings]

How do you guys see us playing next season now with the emergence of thornton as a legit 20+ ppg scorer? I think we should really make tryeke's offseason goal to get healthy and learn to be a better point gaurd. I think last year tyreke was more effective when he was going against other pg's, his size and strenght made him a mismatch just about every night. This year he has played more against other 2 gaurds and with no outside shot, its easier for the stronger and bigger gaurds to handle him.

I think signing Dalembert to an extension is something we should do no question. Where else are you going to find a legit 7 footer with length and decent offense that can put up 15 pts 12-13 rb, and 2-3 blocks. I think Cousins is quick enough, and should use the offseason to get in really good shape for us to play him at the 4. Look at the Lakers they get away with starting 2 7 footers. I think as cousins matures his game should resemble someone like a Pau Gasol. So this is what I think we should look like next year.

pg: Tyreke/Beno
sg: Thornton/ Garcia
sf: Derrick Williams or Harrison Barnes/ Casspi or Greene(one of them must go)
pf:Cousins/JT
C: Dalembert/Whiteside

the rest will be any veteran signings or minimum contract players. I like pooh and taylor and wouldn't mind them back for another season.

 

[JB_kings]

Not trying to be a jerk here, what makes you think there will be a 2011-2012 season? Nice long lockout coming soon.

 

[jcwkings]

Not trying to be a jerk here, what makes you think there will be a 2011-2012 season? Nice long lockout coming soon.

you may be right, hopefully they work it out, i think everyone here is just bitter that they are leaving sacramento, you can always get nba league pass though.

 

[Tetsujin]

you may be right, hopefully they work it out, i think everyone here is just bitter that they are leaving sacramento, you can always get nba league pass though.

Not to be a jerk here but that statement came off as terribly di**ish and insensitive.

 

[vikinginferno]

Not to be a jerk here but that statement came off as terribly di**ish and insensitive.

It seems a bit of a common occurence among those who don't live in Sacramento, but are Kings fans (not saying all because I know at least a few here who have been very considerate).

 

[CruzDude]

pg: Tyreke/Beno
sg: Thornton/ Garcia
sf: Derrick Williams or Harrison Barnes/ Casspi or Greene(one of them must go)
pf:Cousins/JT
C: Dalembert/Whiteside

the rest will be any veteran signings or minimum contract players. I like pooh and taylor and wouldn't mind them back for another season.

Good start for next years core. Maybe add Jeter as he brings a speedy ability that has it's uses. Agree the Omri/Greene situation needs to be resolved. Whiteside may be at least another year away from starting to be productive and then a bench player for awhile. But overall, agree and keeping fingers crossed on having a season or part thereof.

 

[Spike]

It seems a bit of a common occurence among those who don't live in Sacramento, but are Kings fans (not saying all because I know at least a few here who have been very considerate).

I'd say it's less common than you think - just a couple of consistently loud annoying ones that make it seem so.

 

[Megalodon]

Keep fighting amongst yourselves... its a joke.

 

[JB_kings]

you may be right, hopefully they work it out, i think everyone here is just bitter that they are leaving sacramento, you can always get nba league pass though.

Damn straight we have a right to be bitter. Kind of a significant thing in the big picture when it comes to supporting a team don't you think?

And buy league pass to pay the NBA money after all this? Yeah look for that check coming in the mail from me! Haha

 

[kingsboi]

Obviously re-sign Marcus, I'm sure there will be a team out there giving him Wesley Matthews type of money, just watch so we have to match we can't let him walk, not an option. Dalembert hopefully won't ask for more than 6-8 a mil. a year, if so then we might be forced to let him walk. As for the draft pick, we really can't go wrong with one of Williams, Irving, Knight. Kemba brings pretty much what Marcus brings so unless you want to have a Ben Gordon type of scorer coming off the bench, then you draft Kemba if your other options are gone. As for the second rounders, Petrie isn't known to be a very good second round finder so I doubt they will make it past preseason.

 

[Kingsguy881]

Obviously re-sign Marcus, I'm sure there will be a team out there giving him Wesley Matthews type of money, just watch so we have to match we can't let him walk, not an option. Dalembert hopefully won't ask for more than 6-8 a mil. a year, if so then we might be forced to let him walk. As for the draft pick, we really can't go wrong with one of Williams, Irving, Knight. Kemba brings pretty much what Marcus brings so unless you want to have a Ben Gordon type of scorer coming off the bench, then you draft Kemba if your other options are gone. As for the second rounders, Petrie isn't known to be a very good second round finder so I doubt they will make it past preseason.

Dude, Ricky Minard was the ish!

 

[Gary]

I can't see them keeping Dalembert and Thorton. The Magoofs won't be able to afford them both. Probably not even one of them if they continue their penny pinching. Maybe they can take out a loan to pay one of them if the bank they get the loan from doesn't care about defaulting on loans.

In all seriousness they won't sign them both. Maybe one but which one? We are talking 6-8mil for Thorton, and another 6-9mil for Dalembert. A team with 20 wins shouldn't be paying out the nose for players that got them there. Lowball them and see if they stay, if not then continue to try to build a core through the draft for a couple more years then splurge on FAs.

 

[Section 101]

I can't see them keeping Dalembert and Thorton. The Magoofs won't be able to afford them both. Probably not even one of them if they continue their penny pinching. Maybe they can take out a loan to pay one of them if the bank they get the loan from doesn't care about defaulting on loans.

In all seriousness they won't sign them both. Maybe one but which one? We are talking 6-8mil for Thorton, and another 6-9mil for Dalembert. A team with 20 wins shouldn't be paying out the nose for players that got them there. Lowball them and see if they stay, if not then continue to try to build a core through the draft for a couple more years then splurge on FAs.

Yep and factor in the lockout. It maybe next year before any free agents are signed. More time for the Maloofs to screw up their finances.

 

[est.1999]

^^^ you two are quite the characters.

 

[Bricklayer]

How do you guys see us playing next season now with the emergence of thornton as a legit 20+ ppg scorer? I think we should really make tryeke's offseason goal to get healthy and learn to be a better point gaurd. I think last year tyreke was more effective when he was going against other pg's, his size and strenght made him a mismatch just about every night. This year he has played more against other 2 gaurds and with no outside shot, its easier for the stronger and bigger gaurds to handle him.

I think signing Dalembert to an extension is something we should do no question. Where else are you going to find a legit 7 footer with length and decent offense that can put up 15 pts 12-13 rb, and 2-3 blocks. I think Cousins is quick enough, and should use the offseason to get in really good shape for us to play him at the 4. Look at the Lakers they get away with starting 2 7 footers. I think as cousins matures his game should resemble someone like a Pau Gasol. So this is what I think we should look like next year.

pg: Tyreke/Beno
sg: Thornton/ Garcia
sf: Derrick Williams or Harrison Barnes/ Casspi or Greene(one of them must go)
pf:Cousins/JT
C: Dalembert/Whiteside

the rest will be any veteran signings or minimum contract players. I like pooh and taylor and wouldn't mind them back for another season.

Most of what you say there is something I have been saying for weeks -- basically I think mosyt of the team is already here, and you can make arguments for keeping almnost all of the core guys. SF is the hole, but you forget there that we have a ton of money to spend this summer, will have a bundle even after Daly and Thronton are resigned, and some of it is likely to go to that SF spot. The pick is a who knows. Could be one of the guys you listed, could also be traded for more immediate help. Neither would surprise me.

At this point I think clear core guys/keepers:
Reke
Cousins
Thornton
Daly

That's a potent group both offensively and on the glass.

Guys with keep them arguments who could form a strong bench:
Beno (solid vet, strong 3rd guard to give us one fo the best 3-guard rotations)
Cisco (vet leadership and shooting)
Thompson (6'11" to give us one of the biggest and best rebounding frontcourts in the league, and a good lockerroom guy)


And so you have almost everybody with a good argument. Doesn't mean that 1 or more peeps from the second group will not be moved by a team trying to impress a new market or rekindle an old one. But it does mean there are good arguments why you stay the course. Whiteside is a might as well keep him for his potential thing. And that really leaves just Dotne and Omri on the outside looking in. I think you could bring back Donte on that same theory as Whiteside (as well as for chemistry), and he doesn't have much trade value, but his goose may be cooked by the disappointing year. That leaves Omri as possibly the guy on the outside looking in. A young guy with some potential and value in trade, but without an obvious speciality to fill a role should we bring in a new SF.

 

[Bricklayer]

I would also just like to mention one other thing, a pet idea of mine that I did not originate but that I have come to endorse:

sign Andrei Kirlenko in the offseason. Now watch what could happen next year:

Frontcourt
6'11" Samuel Dalembert (defense, rebounding, shotblocking)
6'11" DeMarcus Cousins (rebounding)
6'11" Jason Thompson (rebounding, some defense)
7'0" Hassan Whiteside (shotblocking)
6'11" Andrei Kirlenko (defense, shotblocking)
6'11" Donte Greene (defense)
6'7" Francisco Garcia

Think about that for a second -- now I know the NBA prety well. I know its present, and I know its past. When I say this it is no trifle: I think that might be the tallest + longest frontcourt in NBA history. No exaggeration. The only contenders I am coming up with off the top of my head are the 90s Pacers with 7'4" Smits, 6'10" Dale Davis, 6'9" Antonio Davis, and 6'10" Derrick McKey, the 80s Celtics with 7'0" Parrish, 6'11" McHale, 6'11" Walton and 6'9" Bird, and the late 90's Spurs when they briefly trotted out 7'1" Admiral, 7'0" talle Duncan, and one year threw out 7'1" Will Perdue as the third big. Their SFs (when Purdue wasn't there -- yes they tried that) were normal sized though as I recall. Should be noted BTW all those teams won titles/were contenders. Anyway, that much size with most of it being attached to defensively and rebounding oriented players, could be absolutely dominant on the defensive end of the court. Not good, dominant. It would psoe constant and tremendous matchup problems for basically everybody.

 

[SacTownKid]

I would also just like to mention one other thing, a pet idea of mine that I did not originate but that I have come to endorse:

sign Andrei Kirlenko in the offseason. Now watch what could happen next year:

Frontcourt
6'11" Samuel Dalembert (defense, rebounding, shotblocking)
6'11" DeMarcus Cousins (rebounding)
6'11" Jason Thompson (rebounding, some defense)
7'0" Hassan Whiteside (shotblocking)
6'11" Andrei Kirlenko (defense, shotblocking)
6'11" Donte Greene (defense)
6'7" Francisco Garcia

Think about that for a second -- now I know the NBA prety well. I know its present, and I know its past. When I say this it is no trifle: I think that might be the tallest + longest frontcourt in NBA history. No exaggeration. The only contenders I am coming up with off the top of my head are the 90s Pacers with 7'4" Smits, 6'10" Dale Davis, 6'9" Antonio Davis, and 6'10" Derrick McKey, the 80s Celtics with 7'0" Parrish, 6'11" McHale, 6'11" Walton and 6'9" Bird, and the late 90's Spurs when they briefly trotted out 7'1" Admiral, 7'0" talle Duncan, and one year threw out 7'1" Will Perdue as the third big. Their SFs (when Purdue wasn't there -- yes they tried that) were normal sized though as I recall. Should be noted BTW all those teams won titles/were contenders. Anyway, that much size with most of it being attached to defensively and rebounding oriented players, could be absolutely dominant on the defensive end of the court. Not good, dominant. It would psoe constant and tremendous matchup problems for basically everybody.

What do the Kings do when the other team moves into a zone? Little iffy on the shooting prowess. Although putting AK-47 and Cousins in the PF/C spots and moving somebody like Cisco at the 3 alongside Thornton and Reke is a very interesting offensive unit.

 

[hrdboild]

Brick, you must have confused AK with someone else. There's no way he's 6-11. He's listed at 6-9, but I think even that is being generous. I'm not sure Kirilenko is enough of a contributer to matter at this point regardless. I'm hoping we're able to find a SF in the draft because that's the only glaring hole in our lineup and it'd be nice to be able to plug another promising youngster into that hole and watch them grow. Derrick Williams, Harrison Barnes, Terrence Jones and if it comes to it, Perry Jones would all fit. If it doesn't work out in our favor, using the pick to trade for a SF might be our best option.

I've also come to the conclusion that one of Greene or Casspi will have to be traded and at this point I'd prefer to keep Greene. Casspi probably still has more trade value because of his performance as a rookie last year. If both of them are what they are and neither one is going to get better, Greene is a better fit as a role-player off the bench than Casspi. He can play more positions, has good chemistry with Tyreke and Thompson in particular, and doesn't get lit up on defense every time he's on the floor.

 

[Glenn]

Brick, you must have confused AK with someone else. There's no way he's 6-11. He's listed at 6-9, but I think even that is being generous. I'm not sure Kirilenko is enough of a contributer to matter at this point regardless. I'm hoping we're able to find a SF in the draft because that's the only glaring hole in our lineup and it'd be nice to be able to plug another promising youngster into that hole and watch them grow. Derrick Williams, Harrison Barnes, Terrence Jones and if it comes to it, Perry Jones would all fit. If it doesn't work out in our favor, using the pick to trade for a SF might be our best option.

I've also come to the conclusion that one of Greene or Casspi will have to be traded and at this point I'd prefer to keep Greene. Casspi probably still has more trade value because of his performance as a rookie last year. If both of them are what they are and neither one is going to get better, Greene is a better fit as a role-player off the bench than Casspi. He can play more positions, has good chemistry with Tyreke and Thompson in particular, and doesn't get lit up on defense every time he's on the floor.

I feel an urgency to win now. I feel an urgency to bring up the attendance. It is all well and good to get thrilled by watching young guys mature but I think the attendance shows that most people don't find this adequate. This is a great part of the argument for the team to leave.

If we buy another year here, we need to win. We need to fill the arena. We need to convince the NBA that a move is just .. not .. right. That's my pitch for a veteran SF. He doesn't have to be great. He has to be willing to be a supportive part to two young studs and maybe a teacher for a young draftee. Most of all he needs to be a leader.

 

[hrdboild]

I feel an urgency to win now. I feel an urgency to bring up the attendance. It is all well and good to get thrilled by watching young guys mature but I think the attendance shows that most people don't find this adequate. This is a great part of the argument for the team to leave.

If we buy another year here, we need to win. We need to fill the arena. We need to convince the NBA that a move is just .. not .. right. That's my pitch for a veteran SF. He doesn't have to be great. He has to be willing to be a supportive part to two young studs and maybe a teacher for a young draftee. Most of all he needs to be a leader.

I'm fine with the veteran route -- but who fits the description? I don't see any free agents this year who do. Tayshaun Prince is a maybe, but is he going to elevate the fortunes of the team more than Barnes, Jones, or Williams would as soon as next year? Personally, I don't think so. And if it has to be a trade, you're going to be giving up a substantial asset to do it which might just be a lateral move. I think enough pieces are in place now -- Evans, Cousins, Thornton, Dalembert -- that we're basically looking for the best fit to improve this current team, however we can get it. I tend to favor the draft because the talent level in the top 5, if you can get a player who does fit, is higher than it would be in free agency this year and a lot more cost-effective as well.

 

[Glenn]

I'm fine with the veteran route -- but who fits the description? I don't see any free agents this year who do. Tayshaun Prince is a maybe, but is he going to elevate the fortunes of the team more than Barnes, Jones, or Williams would as soon as next year? Personally, I don't think so. And if it has to be a trade, you're going to be giving up a substantial asset to do it which might just be a lateral move. I think enough pieces are in place now -- Evans, Cousins, Thornton, Dalembert -- that we're basically looking for the best fit to improve this current team, however we can get it. I tend to favor the draft because the talent level in the top 5, if you can get a player who does fit, is higher than it would be in free agency this year and a lot more cost-effective as well.

Specifically, if all things could come true, I would want to draft Barnes as I don't think Williams will be available. Otherwise get Williams PLEASE. Sign Battier. His present salary is under $8 mil and he is all around solid but not spectacular. One winds his career down as the other winds his career up. He is on the Grizzlies and is in the part of his career where he is a trade peice. He might like California weather. Spectacular comes at a higher price. Kirilenko is fine and might want to leave the Jazz now that Sloan is not there. His present salary is bloated.

I hope we don't trade anyone. I would like Granger but .... I'd rather not trade unless the Pacers were very stupid and took some bench players. I like our team. You under rate the value of veteran leadership, I think. Or maybe I over rate it. I think if we had more experienced players many of these 4th quarter losses would have been wins.

Yes, I think Prince would be better than a rookie. Barnes may turn out fine and he may not. Prince is a known quantity.

 

[Bricklayer]

I'm fine with the veteran route -- but who fits the description? I don't see any free agents this year who do. Tayshaun Prince is a maybe, but is he going to elevate the fortunes of the team more than Barnes, Jones, or Williams would as soon as next year? Personally, I don't think so. And if it has to be a trade, you're going to be giving up a substantial asset to do it which might just be a lateral move. I think enough pieces are in place now -- Evans, Cousins, Thornton, Dalembert -- that we're basically looking for the best fit to improve this current team, however we can get it. I tend to favor the draft because the talent level in the top 5, if you can get a player who does fit, is higher than it would be in free agency this year and a lot more cost-effective as well.

Unlesa somebody that age can come in and be a defensive stopper, they aren't going to be an ideal fit. By the time you get done with Cousins and Reke and Thornton you MIGHT have room for a couple of other double figure scorers tops. Certianly nobody else over 15ppg. So its what they can do on the other side of the ball that is everything. Its the Christie situation. Score 10pts, that's fine. Just shut down everybody else. We need an elite roleplayer there now more than we need another guy who needs the ball to matter. Thornton changed the equation very suddenly. And we need a guy who can inspire the rest of the troops. BArring a rookie wiht incredible panahce and leadership on that end of the ball, you're much more likely to find that with a veteran who everybody knows about and who carries instant respect on his shoulder. This rookie, whoever he may be, could be headed much more along the lines of rookies on better teams, where they learn from the bench. I am quite sure we have had enough 20 win seasons for the time being.

P.S. AK47 used to be listed 6'11" -- have not looked at it in years , but now its 6'9"? For years everybody used to consistently inflate their height, in recent years there have been a spate of modern day wusses trying to intentionally AVOID beign 7'0", because then they mihgt have to play cetner and not float outside. Wonder if AK's shrinking is something similar? Anyway, whatever height he is he's basically the longest SF in the game. Plays the lognest. SO the idea woud be the same.

 

[hrdboild]

P.S. AK47 used to be listed 6'11" -- have not looked at it in years , but now its 6'9"? For years everybody used to consistently inflate their height, in recent years there have been a spate of modern day wusses trying to intentionally AVOID beign 7'0", because then they mihgt have to play cetner and not float outside. Wonder if AK's shrinking is something similar? Anyway, whatever height he is he's basically the longest SF in the game. Plays the lognest. SO the idea woud be the same.

I'll trust you on that one. Maybe they measured to the top of his hair. Also, I've since looked up his numbers for the year and he's been more productive than I was giving him credit for. He could be a nice fit as a do-it-all steadying veteran presence. He mentioned at least once in the past that he's considering closing out his career playing in Russia though. A decent enough contract might change his mind.

 

[Section 101]

I'll trust you on that one. Maybe they measured to the top of his hair. Also, I've since looked up his numbers for the year and he's been more productive than I was giving him credit for. He could be a nice fit as a do-it-all steadying veteran presence. He mentioned at least once in the past that he's considering closing out his career playing in Russia though. A decent enough contract might change his mind.

Does that mean the birdman is 8 feet tall?

 

[Bricklayer]

I'll trust you on that one. Maybe they measured to the top of his hair. Also, I've since looked up his numbers for the year and he's been more productive than I was giving him credit for. He could be a nice fit as a do-it-all steadying veteran presence. He mentioned at least once in the past that he's considering closing out his career playing in Russia though. A decent enough contract might change his mind.

I don't really care how tall everybody is, I just wish there were trustworthy real numbers.

Every year, in training camp, official measurements by an NBA offiical, in socks. Why is that so
hard?

 

[mr. moustache]

Damn straight we have a right to be bitter. Kind of a significant thing in the big picture when it comes to supporting a team don't you think?

And buy league pass to pay the NBA money after all this? Yeah look for that check coming in the mail from me! Haha

League Pass Broadband is a bit of a joke. So many blacked out games. I've even had all of the Portland/Sac games blacked out because I live in Seattle. I don't even get Portland games in Seattle on TV?!?

 

[Rain man]

I would also just like to mention one other thing, a pet idea of mine that I did not originate but that I have come to endorse:

sign Andrei Kirlenko in the offseason. Now watch what could happen next year:

Frontcourt
6'11" Samuel Dalembert (defense, rebounding, shotblocking)
6'11" DeMarcus Cousins (rebounding)
6'11" Jason Thompson (rebounding, some defense)
7'0" Hassan Whiteside (shotblocking)
6'11" Andrei Kirlenko (defense, shotblocking)
6'11" Donte Greene (defense)
6'7" Francisco Garcia

Think about that for a second -- now I know the NBA prety well. I know its present, and I know its past. When I say this it is no trifle: I think that might be the tallest + longest frontcourt in NBA history. No exaggeration. The only contenders I am coming up with off the top of my head are the 90s Pacers with 7'4" Smits, 6'10" Dale Davis, 6'9" Antonio Davis, and 6'10" Derrick McKey, the 80s Celtics with 7'0" Parrish, 6'11" McHale, 6'11" Walton and 6'9" Bird, and the late 90's Spurs when they briefly trotted out 7'1" Admiral, 7'0" talle Duncan, and one year threw out 7'1" Will Perdue as the third big. Their SFs (when Purdue wasn't there -- yes they tried that) were normal sized though as I recall. Should be noted BTW all those teams won titles/were contenders. Anyway, that much size with most of it being attached to defensively and rebounding oriented players, could be absolutely dominant on the defensive end of the court. Not good, dominant. It would psoe constant and tremendous matchup problems for basically everybody.

I love the idea of a long team defensively. I first got hooked on the concept watching the 2000 Blazers that lost to the Lakers in Game 7. A big part of their success was their ability to rotate in so many guys with so much length and wingspan. They would double Shaq in the block from all angles:

I think they started:

Sabonis (7'3")
Sheed (6'10")
Pippen (6'8')- and even late in his career he was one of the best defenders in the league
Steve Smith (6'7')
Damon Stoudamire

They had available on the bench

Bigs
Jermaine O'Neal (6'11)- young version
Detlef Schrempf (6'10)- old version
Joe Klein (6'11)- ancient version
Brian Grant (6'9")

Wings
Stacey Augmon (6'7")
Bonzi Wells (6'6")

Point
Greg Anthony- he might not have been big, but he was like a pit bull on D.

basically, everyone on the roster except Stoudamire was long, strong, or scrappy. They were a great defense despite the fact that probably only Pippen would have been considered an above average defender among the starters (Sheed and Smith were average in my recollection) That has always been my view of what a very dominant defense can look like.

 

[nickmcclure]

Not to be a jerk here but that statement came off as terribly di**ish and insensitive.

You must be easily offended.

 

[DesertFox]

As much as I love Kirilenko, he's probably more of an alternative to Dalembert than a compliment. He's at his best playing the 4, and is more "solid" than "lock-down" as a one on one defender. I certainly wouldn't complain if he was the big FA pickup, he's just not the ideal match.
Battier is a lesser player but his game fits, a perimeter defender who can shoot, and he'll probably come at a better price. There's just the question of how much longer he can defend guards, and of course getting him to join this team.

For either guy, it might be one of those Vlade situations where you overpay knowing the later years his on court performance won't match his pay. Or they could front load a deal like Nick Collison and the Thunder, making resigning the young guys much easier down the line.