Kings, NJ and Toronto play musical chairs

[captain bill]

Sacramento trades:
Kevin Martin
JT
Kenny Thomas
for...
Brook Lopez
Yi
Najera


Toronto trades:
Bosh
for...
Kevin, JT and Kenny

NJ trades:
Brook
Yi
Najera
Dooling
for Bosh

Toronto becomes an insanely high scoring team. Bargs/JT in the front court isn't totally awful. They also do this because they are scared of Bosh walking, and this isn't a bad deal to get back. Biggest problem here is what they do with DeRozan, Martin and Hedo in the same back court.

NJ does this to get a marquee player. While Brook could be that player, they are playing for 2010. Having Bosh could induce LeBron or Wade to come to Brooklyn. I haven't run all the numbers, but I think they'd still have the cash to make it work.

Sacramento does it to pair up Evans with a legitimate big who can play on both sides of the floor. Evans/Lopez could be truly great going into the future, and we've got all the pieces surrounding them to make it work. Hawes would be in an odd man out here, maybe we could even toss him to NJ if they want.

 

[Nighthawk1]

No way in **** do you trade KMart + JT for Lopez. That's the basis for going after an already marquee big man not one that's still young and on the rise. (and trust me I LOVE Lopez and would do quite a bit to get him on the Kings). I don't mind a trade involving KMart for Lopez but JT isn't to be included.

 

[upinsmoke]

NJ is not dealing Lopez. But Toronto night trade Bosh for Kevin/K-9 if they feel they will lose him in thr FA market.

 

[xrzn]

I love this trade. Only thing I would change

Brook Lopez is EXACTLY the player I think the Kings need. He's averaging 19.3 points on 50% from the field (83% from the line), 9.1 rebounds, and 2.2 blocks.

Maybe somehow we could substitute JT for Slawes and/or Nocioni, although it doesn't sound as appealing to the Raptors.

Just imagine a lineup of:

Reke
Donte
Casspi
JT
Lopez

 

[venom_7]

Actually, you don't trade Kevin at all. How about that.

 

[captain bill]

I love this trade. Only thing I would change

Brook Lopez is EXACTLY the player I think the Kings need. He's averaging 19.3 points on 50% from the field (83% from the line), 9.1 rebounds, and 2.2 blocks.

Maybe somehow we could substitute JT for Slawes and/or Nocioni, although it doesn't sound as appealing to the Raptors.

Just imagine a lineup of:

Reke
Donte
Casspi
JT
Lopez

I thought about putting Hawes in instead, but I think you're right...it just doesn't sound nearly as good to the Raps. I also think having Lopez next to him would make Hawes look that much better. But I've been thinking about all the ways Martin could get us anything conceivably good, and I think inevitably the asking price would be JT- especially if we're looking at building up the front court.

 

[captain bill]

No way in **** do you trade KMart + JT for Lopez. That's the basis for going after an already marquee big man not one that's still young and on the rise. (and trust me I LOVE Lopez and would do quite a bit to get him on the Kings). I don't mind a trade involving KMart for Lopez but JT isn't to be included.

Give me one example of a time that a team traded a young big man with lots of upside for such a weak offer. Even if he is still 'young and on the rise,' he's going to have a huge price tag. First thing similar to a guy with as much potential as Lopez getting traded was Al Jefferson, and the C's got Garnett for him.

 

[mac]

Give me one example of a time that a team traded a young big man with lots of upside for such a weak offer. Even if he is still 'young and on the rise,' he's going to have a huge price tag. First thing similar to a guy with as much potential as Lopez getting traded was Al Jefferson, and the C's got Garnett for him.

Difference being Kevin Martin isn't screaming LET ME OUT OF SAC. Why don't you ask Brick bout what he thought of minny trading Garnett for what they got back.

 

[captain bill]

Difference being Kevin Martin isn't screaming LET ME OUT OF SAC. Why don't you ask Brick bout what he thought of minny trading Garnett for what they got back.

What does that have to do with Al Jefferson's value? I'm talking about what Boston was willing to accept in a trade for Jefferson, not what Minnesota was willing to take for Garnett. 2 totally different things. Boston would still have him if they weren't able to snag KG, and NJ is more than likely to keep Brook unless they get a very good offer (like Bosh).

AND everyone in the league knows that the Kings have a big problem in their back court. I think it's good to wait and see what these Kings can do with Martin back, but it should be obvious that even if Martin and Evans can play at a high level together, we might even be worse off since our front court will continue to me mediocre-to-average, so we'll just make the playoffs every year and get knocked out round 1. No thanks.

 

[mac]

What does that have to do with Al Jefferson's value? I'm talking about what Boston was willing to accept in a trade for Jefferson, not what Minnesota was willing to take for Garnett. 2 totally different things. Boston would still have him if they weren't able to snag KG, and NJ is more than likely to keep Brook unless they get a very good offer (like Bosh).

AND everyone in the league knows that the Kings have a big problem in their back court. I think it's good to wait and see what these Kings can do with Martin back, but it should be obvious that even if Martin and Evans can play at a high level together, we might even be worse off since our front court will continue to me mediocre-to-average, so we'll just make the playoffs every year and get knocked out round 1. No thanks.

What Boston was willing to accept in a trade for Jefferson = Minnesota was the one shopping Garnett no? And why were they shopping Garnett? Because he wanted out. In that case wouldn't Minnesota be the one who gets the short end of the stick? Ask yourself, who got the better of the trade. Boston since then has won a championship and remains a contender. Minnesota is at the bottom of the league despite their draft picks.

Furthermore, Jefferson was even more proven than Brook Lopez. Maybe if we trade Kmart for Lopez and some picks, but as you said NJ wouldn't do that. So I say no to the whole trade all together. Think about it, you're giving up a promising big (maybe not a star but still a sold player) in thompson, your supposed best player, and your largest trading piece in KT for basically Brook Lopez. Unless you expect me to believe that you're honestly interested in yi Jian Lian or Eduardo Najera.

I don't mean to say that Brook Lopez is not good. He is definitely a promising player. Unfortunately I can't say this without making it sound like I'm undervaluing him. Kmart + JT + KT's expiring is not worth Brook Lopez.

 

[beb0p]

Sacramento trades:
Kevin Martin
JT
Kenny Thomas
for...
Brook Lopez
Yi
Najera



Toronto trades:
Bosh
for...
Kevin, JT and Kenny

If Toronto wants KMart, JT, and KT; why don't we just get Bosh?!! Why involve NJ? Bosh, soft and all, still > Lopez.

Perhaps you think highly of Yi? I don't.

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[Chupacabra]

I dont think our frontcourt weakness will be all that difficult to fix. All that we really need is more defense. Any long, athletic shot blocking minded center will do.

 

[TaxMan]

AND everyone in the league knows that the Kings have a big problem in their back court. I think it's good to wait and see what these Kings can do with Martin back, but it should be obvious that even if Martin and Evans can play at a high level together, we might even be worse off since our front court will continue to me mediocre-to-average, so we'll just make the playoffs every year and get knocked out round 1. No thanks.

Actually, I would guess those on this board are a small minority talking about potential Kings backcourt "problems". I would wager the general thought around the league is that the Kings could have one of the best backcourts in the game when Martin returns. I'm not saying that's the correct opinion, but hard to believe an outsider looking in, who's not THAT familiar with Evans and Martin, would think there would be a problem when a 20ppg+ scorer returns to the team

 

[SacKings7]

If you post a trade idea and then describe a team's resulting front court as "not totally awful", that's usually a sign to try again