I'm sure he'd appreciate it, venom. I think you do a great job coming off the bench and you've earned the start.
Kings-Mavericks game thread 11/29
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I'm sure he'd appreciate it, venom. I think you do a great job coming off the bench and you've earned the start.
A silent pan over the what?
The chairs with faces painted on them...
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I wasn’t able to watch the second half and by the looks of it, I’m glad.
Here’s the thing, there’s several problems that I see. 1st: I’m a huge Geoff supporter but in order for us to not use the vets, Petrie has to trade – Miller, Salmons and Moore. There’s no if ands or butts…While we’re at it, include Sheldon in one of those deals because I can’t stand players who look at themselves and not the team.
2nd problem: The Maloofs still think that we can go into the playoffs with this roster – we’re getting younger and we’ve had two key players out for a while (Kevin and Cisco) and they want the kids to play. You have to develop the kids and not worry about winning. We really need this team to jell first before our players start winning games/thinking of playoffs.
3rd: Petrie needs to talk to the Maloofs about reasonable expectations for this team. Let’s just eliminate the whole Playoff idea.
4th: Petrie and the Maloofs need to tell Reggie to calm down and play the young guys. You can give the vets some minutes but the kids should be dominating. Plus, if the vets make the simple rookie mistakes, then why shouldn’t the kids see proper floor time (and not just garbage minutes)?
5th: This should be a lesson to a lot of people. Sometimes you should swallow your pride and try to see what’s best for your team. Firing Rick was the biggest mistake and we’re (team) still paying for that.
6th: I don’t want Avery here. I don’t need any micro managing coaches for this team.
7th: Um..I’m going to start a petition soon. We need a wise old voice in our locker room and I seriously want to see Pete Carril on our sidelines. And while we’re at it, Geoff needs to find Vlade and get him to be on this coaching staff.
Here’s the thing, there’s several problems that I see. 1st: I’m a huge Geoff supporter but in order for us to not use the vets, Petrie has to trade – Miller, Salmons and Moore. There’s no if ands or butts…While we’re at it, include Sheldon in one of those deals because I can’t stand players who look at themselves and not the team.
2nd problem: The Maloofs still think that we can go into the playoffs with this roster – we’re getting younger and we’ve had two key players out for a while (Kevin and Cisco) and they want the kids to play. You have to develop the kids and not worry about winning. We really need this team to jell first before our players start winning games/thinking of playoffs.
3rd: Petrie needs to talk to the Maloofs about reasonable expectations for this team. Let’s just eliminate the whole Playoff idea.
4th: Petrie and the Maloofs need to tell Reggie to calm down and play the young guys. You can give the vets some minutes but the kids should be dominating. Plus, if the vets make the simple rookie mistakes, then why shouldn’t the kids see proper floor time (and not just garbage minutes)?
5th: This should be a lesson to a lot of people. Sometimes you should swallow your pride and try to see what’s best for your team. Firing Rick was the biggest mistake and we’re (team) still paying for that.
6th: I don’t want Avery here. I don’t need any micro managing coaches for this team.
7th: Um..I’m going to start a petition soon. We need a wise old voice in our locker room and I seriously want to see Pete Carril on our sidelines. And while we’re at it, Geoff needs to find Vlade and get him to be on this coaching staff.
SLAB
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Im late to join this party...
And I really only have one thing to say about this atrocity.
What in the holy heck was Reggie thinking playing one of Douby or Brown or Jackson at the small forward to begin the fourth?!
Sure it was a three minute horribly failed experiment, but why do you even try that?
they are all shooting guards in point guards bodies, and you have all three on the floor at once?
Color me confused.
And I really only have one thing to say about this atrocity.
What in the holy heck was Reggie thinking playing one of Douby or Brown or Jackson at the small forward to begin the fourth?!
Sure it was a three minute horribly failed experiment, but why do you even try that?
they are all shooting guards in point guards bodies, and you have all three on the floor at once?
Color me confused.
BritishColumbia
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it was boring and Reggie wanted to entertain himself
Rockmeister
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I'm confused. Who do you think will be release from duties on Dec 9th? Reggie?
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I'm sure he'd appreciate it, venom. I think you do a great job coming off the bench and you've earned the start.
its a good thing reggie isn't making the call then.
Yep. It's just my own personal opinion based on what I've seen the past couple of games. If the Kings come out on Tuesday and really play their hearts out, if the kids get major minutes, etc. then it could be extended but I honestly believe the Maloofs are really close to pulling the trigger.
Theus has to play the kids and he has to quit experimenting with gonzo lineups that make no sense whatsoever. We finally have Joe and Gavin using the "r" word; it's up to Theus to work in concert with that approach.
Reggie opened his press conference last night with "I always want to win" which, if the situation were different, would be exactly the attitude we want from our head coach.
But facts is facts. We're just not good. Our strength right now is in our potential for the future and that has to be addressed.
I am not, nor have I ever, advocated intentionally losing games but when the handwriting becomes skywriting and it's painfully obvious to everyone we're not going to win a particular game, you let the kids have the majority of minutes.
Reggie is having a lot of trouble embracing that philosophy, evidenced by how many non-productive minutes Miller and Moore are putting up. And then, almost as though it's in spite, he'll put lineups on the court like the Brown, Jackson, Douby, Williams and Moore fiasco that makes no sense under any kind of circumstances.
Again, this isn't based on anything but a gut instinct but despite how the local media tries to be spinning it, I honestly think Theus is walking on very, very thin ice and if you look at our schedule, you can see it's only going to get worse from here...
Rockmeister
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Thanks. I agree with you.
kennadog
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I went to the game last night....
It was painful to watch. Crowd was blah for most of the game. Booed the team after two travel calls in a row. Booed a few other times as well. It was really sad. I also had to listen to a jerk behind me criticize all the players all night. I wanted to ask him why he bothered spending money on tickets, if he found it so awful to be there.
I want to see Hawes and JT out there, but if they are going to get big minutes, they better find a way to not pile up fouls fast. I love Bobby J, but I'd rather see more of Bobby B, too.
Saddest moment of the night for me? I think it was after JT's 5th foul. He walked off the court [subbed out] and there was utter dejection all over his body language. He sat down on the end of the bench and put a towel over his head, didn't want to talk to anybody.
Our young guys are going to make mistakes, but I can stand losing games, if our younger guys have a chance to learn. What is the point of losing with the old vets? The older vets are not going to take us anywhere but to the bottom. Worse possible situation is to lose with the old vets and not give the young guys the chance to grow.
If Reggie doesn't figure that out soon, he should lose his job. And the Maloofs should let GP pick out the successor.
It was painful to watch. Crowd was blah for most of the game. Booed the team after two travel calls in a row. Booed a few other times as well. It was really sad. I also had to listen to a jerk behind me criticize all the players all night. I wanted to ask him why he bothered spending money on tickets, if he found it so awful to be there.
I want to see Hawes and JT out there, but if they are going to get big minutes, they better find a way to not pile up fouls fast. I love Bobby J, but I'd rather see more of Bobby B, too.
Saddest moment of the night for me? I think it was after JT's 5th foul. He walked off the court [subbed out] and there was utter dejection all over his body language. He sat down on the end of the bench and put a towel over his head, didn't want to talk to anybody.
Our young guys are going to make mistakes, but I can stand losing games, if our younger guys have a chance to learn. What is the point of losing with the old vets? The older vets are not going to take us anywhere but to the bottom. Worse possible situation is to lose with the old vets and not give the young guys the chance to grow.
If Reggie doesn't figure that out soon, he should lose his job. And the Maloofs should let GP pick out the successor.
Sure, the substitution was horrible, but I cannot understand why some people who advocated before for " slowly developing " the young players have to complain NOW about the minutes the youngs are getting.
A few even used the case of Martin's development as a the right way of developing our rookies. And they insisted it is the right way and probably the only way. Some were even okay with the idea that Thompson will not be starting, not until the second half of this season at the earliest. One even ridiculed the idea of a bold and ambitious way of fast-tracking the youths' development.
I remember when I insisted for fast-tracking ( because I see no hope in our veterans, ) someone who is for slow development even tried to teach me that the right way is the slow way and the veterans should lead the way. And one was quick to suggest that it is a waste of time teaching me this "right" and conventional slow way of developing our players. It was like teaching physics to a fish in a bowl. "The Slow conventional way of development" as the physics and I am the fish in a bowl.
Now, maybe the fish in that BOWL was actually right for not listening, because the physics being taught was wrong?
Now, some of you who had preached for that slow conventional way of developing the Kids and had been against that bold fast-track development should not be complaining NOW, because in reality the Kids are getting more playing time than you've wished before. They are actually getting more minutes than your role model for rookie development ( Martin and Wallace ) had it during their rookie years.
I have to remind some that the kids' playing times are even more than what you have wished them to have before.
Give us some break.
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A few even used the case of Martin's development as a the right way of developing our rookies. And they insisted it is the right way and probably the only way. Some were even okay with the idea that Thompson will not be starting, not until the second half of this season at the earliest. One even ridiculed the idea of a bold and ambitious way of fast-tracking the youths' development.
I remember when I insisted for fast-tracking ( because I see no hope in our veterans, ) someone who is for slow development even tried to teach me that the right way is the slow way and the veterans should lead the way. And one was quick to suggest that it is a waste of time teaching me this "right" and conventional slow way of developing our players. It was like teaching physics to a fish in a bowl. "The Slow conventional way of development" as the physics and I am the fish in a bowl.
Now, maybe the fish in that BOWL was actually right for not listening, because the physics being taught was wrong?
Now, some of you who had preached for that slow conventional way of developing the Kids and had been against that bold fast-track development should not be complaining NOW, because in reality the Kids are getting more playing time than you've wished before. They are actually getting more minutes than your role model for rookie development ( Martin and Wallace ) had it during their rookie years.
I have to remind some that the kids' playing times are even more than what you have wished them to have before.
Give us some break.
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Yes, the substitution pattern was horrible, which is germane to the topic at hand. Your bolded sentence, however, makes little to no sense whatsoever.
Oh really? Go back and quote the specific individuals so we/they can respond. I don't recall anyone talking about Martin's development as "the right way of developing our rookies." I would love to see where someone did that.
As far as Thompson not starting, that's just part of the big question of why Mikki Moore is seeing more time than Jason. If you're going to refer to what others have said, at least try to get in the ballpark, mmmmkay?
I remember when I insisted for fast-tracking ( because I see no hope in our veterans, ) someone who is for slow development even tried to teach me that the right way is the slow way and the veterans should lead the way. And one was quick to suggest that it is a waste of time teaching me this "right" and conventional slow way of developing our players. It was like teaching physics to a fish in a bowl. "The Slow conventional way of development" as the physics and I am the fish in a bowl.
So basically you're trying to say you told us so? I guess I missed the part of the Tips for Posting where it says it's more important to try and prove you were right about something than to be part of a productive discussion. And once again, you didn't really say much about the current discussions, choosing instead to refer to something in the past that apparently got your panties in a really bad bunch.
Now, maybe the fish in that BOWL was actually right for not listening, because the physics being taught was wrong?
I don't think there's anything that says your posts were right and the rest of us were wrong. And I certainly don't think the fish in the bowl would remember anyway. Don't goldfish have an active memory of about 8 seconds?
Total fabrication and distortion of past discussions and also totally irrelevant. The teams are different and the players are different. And again, I want to stress that I don't recall anyone using either Kevin Martin or Gerald Wallace as role models for rookie development.
I have to remind some that the kids' playing times are even more than what you have wished them to have before.
Give us some break.
Again, vague references without basis in fact. Give you a break? Oh please... you just spent way too much time trying to pat yourself on the back for nothing.
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To elaborate on VF's mention of this team not being the same as it was when Wallace and Martin were rookies. Wallace was a rookie when were going deep into the playoffs with a very solid lineup. You don't throw rookies out there for 20 min when you have all-stars playing and winning 50-60 games a year and making huge playoff pushes. Martin was the same way in that we were in the playoffs for his first 2 years also.
Jump to 2008 and this team doesn't even resemble a playoff team and the players that are getting the most time will not even be here when we have a chance to be relevant again. As far as slowly developing them and letting them learn from the vets???WTH I don't want any young KING to learn anything from Mikki Moore and the only thing I want Brad to teach is his passing.
Bottom line if your losing games by 20 with vets starting at PF and C. Why not let Spencer and JT get 35 min on the court TOGETHER and see what happens may be the same outcome if so then what have you lost?
DO NOT put Jason out there with Mikki and call that fair min for Jason.
Jump to 2008 and this team doesn't even resemble a playoff team and the players that are getting the most time will not even be here when we have a chance to be relevant again. As far as slowly developing them and letting them learn from the vets???WTH I don't want any young KING to learn anything from Mikki Moore and the only thing I want Brad to teach is his passing.
Bottom line if your losing games by 20 with vets starting at PF and C. Why not let Spencer and JT get 35 min on the court TOGETHER and see what happens may be the same outcome if so then what have you lost?
DO NOT put Jason out there with Mikki and call that fair min for Jason.
No need to get all finger-pointy about it. Some fans have been wanting the team blown up and turned into a youth movement for 3 years, others for 2, others for 1, others for only a day. We don't all agree on when it became the right choice, so there's nothing for people to eat crow over. Just... let it go, and be glad that fan momentum is on your side, because that might get a response from management. Finally.
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