Kings looking at Billups?
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Bricklayer
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Oh good lord. Just what we'd need -- a 31 yr old PG earning 15mil. That's some solid thinking thinking. But hey, would fit nicely with our 29 yr old swingman pickup when we get Mo Pete. 
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Dime Dropper
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I really am amazed, after all the talk of rebuilding, at how Geoff is insisting on trying to land a veteran that will keep us in mediocre land. The only player I want from this FA class is Gerald Wallace and that ain't happenin'.
You can't be too critical of Petrie here - he's just doing his due diligence. I think this will never happen regardless, we have nothing that Detroit would want except for Martin and future first round picks. If we traded those assets, I think I'd even quit coming to kingsfans.com!
Big Cuz 15
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it's becoming "Kings like" to do such moves nowadays. makes me wonder who is running the show over there..
Again, you can't get too excited over this - the Kings have nothing Detroit would really be interested and the Kings wouldnt' interest Chauncey either.
Miles and Miles
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People seem to complain for the sake of complaining. Petrie isn't doing anything... Petrie is checking the available of... how dare he.
Teams need some type of veteran leadership. If Bibby, Miller, Artest aren't that person then who is? Wouldn't you like someone to teach the young guys? You want a young coach and ALL young players? What team has won a championship with all guys the same age and no veterans? I sure can't thing of one.
Teams need some type of veteran leadership. If Bibby, Miller, Artest aren't that person then who is? Wouldn't you like someone to teach the young guys? You want a young coach and ALL young players? What team has won a championship with all guys the same age and no veterans? I sure can't thing of one.
Dime Dropper
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Right now Bibby, Miller and Artest are part of the team. Until we have them gone, or until we have the desired core to go forward with, we don't need to be signing veterans to big contracts. It's going through the whole process backwards and it just won't work. You have to get your young pieces first and then get the proper veterans who will most likely help them develop.
Doing it the other way is completely wrong and won't get this team anywhere, that's why people are upset. A deal most likely won't get done for Billups or Mo Pete, but it's still kind of worrying that we seem to be more open and interested in getting veterans on long term contracts than trading or signing young pieces.
G_M
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Psssst.........
There's a big difference between contacting, having interest, making offers etc......
If you were GM wouldn't you contact damn near very free agent/GM to gauge the market to see what kind of deals you would make??? Wouldn't you beinterested to see what other teams may be offering as that would impact your potential offers to other free agents.
There's a big difference between contacting, having interest, making offers etc......
If you were GM wouldn't you contact damn near very free agent/GM to gauge the market to see what kind of deals you would make??? Wouldn't you beinterested to see what other teams may be offering as that would impact your potential offers to other free agents.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
We aren't competing for a champsionship. Not this year, not next year. Not the year after (although if we finally did something right maybe we could at least be on the way back up by then). By that time, Billups is done. You want veteran leadership for your team you get some cheap classy scrub, You don't hire guys at $12-$15mil a year. That is, well, STUPID.
There is a time for every young team where the kids have developed, and you start adding in a vet here or there to take them up to the next level. We are not there. Not close. Vets are our enemy right now. Vets with huge contracts a complete plague. Going out and intentionally chasing such a creature is, oh yeah, STUPID.
Unless Geoff has a trade in the works for KG there is no reason to even be doing due diligence there. None. It hints again of just an awful lack of having a plan. Just flailing about.
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Dime Dropper
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Miles and Miles
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What young pieces are available? Is someone giving up young pieces that I don't know about? If people think we are going to trade Bibby and/or Artest for the perfect young pieces then they live in fantasy world. We have Martin, Garcia, and Hawes that are some pretty good young pieces.
Dime Dropper
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???
So because there are no young players openly available we go ahead and try to find veterans with big contracts that will hurt the franchise for even longer?
Nobody thinks we are going to get perfect yong pieces for Artest and Bibby, no one has said that. But to think that we can't get young players and/or picks back for them is a little silly. Living in fantasy world is believing that this team can be good if we sign a player like Mo or Billups and that it's the right move. Being optimistic that we can get more young players or picks is not.
And Garcia is 26, don't know why everybody keeps referring to him as a very young player. He's not old, but he's not young.
G_M
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I think you missed my point. The point is that we are in all likely hood not interested in Billups or Peterson. The idea is that you want to try to determine what other teams may be offering as that would impact how you would approach the entire market. If you know that for example Seattle may offer the full MLE to a certain player then you may not have to worry about them pursuing one of your trageted free agents.
Miles and Miles
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Chauncy currently has no contract.
Dime Dropper
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I know that, but if we were to sign and trade for him he would have to be signed to a big contract - hence my comment.
Miles and Miles
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Maybe that's why the checking into it??? It's not like I think we are going to him, but I think veteran leadership is something that every team needs regardless if this is the championship year (I know it's not). What better person then to teach the young guys how to win or lead a team then a guy that lead his team to a championship? We need more "winners" around we currently have none.
LPKingsFan
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Whoa now, hold on a sec. Where is everyone getting this from? Take a look again: there's nothing there. The Bee story simply says Geoff is looking into the value of a couple big name FAs. Then it lists some of the big name FAs. But it doesn't say that Geoff is interested in Billups, does it? It could, and is likely, someone else. This DET blog is way off, and making something out of nothing.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
thye took the Chauncey angle and ran, but Petrie himself says in the Bee snippet (or is claimed ot have said) that he's contacted all the top free agents about S&Ts. So Billups would be in that group.
On the more positve side so would Wallace and so might Mo Williams. But realistically we aren't getting them either.
G_M
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Will Mo Williams get more than the full MLE? Just curious if the Kings move Bibby if that would that get it done for Williams.
perezident
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what are you guys crying for Billups>Bibby imo....he plays way better D...Slashes passes more...hits the 3 ball better ....stronger and is a more floor general...i'd be happy to get Billups
He doesnt chuck up three's as if thats the score that can contribute on the scoreboard
or i guess its just me then
He doesnt chuck up three's as if thats the score that can contribute on the scoreboard
or i guess its just me then
G_M
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what are you guys crying for Billups>Bibby imo....he plays way better D...Slashes passes more...hits the 3 ball better ....stronger and is a more floor general...i'd be happy to get Billups
He doesnt chuck up three's as if thats the score that can contribute on the scoreboard
or i guess its just me then
I'm thinking that the issue is adding an older player to a "REBUILDING" team. It's not an issue of Billups ability it's his age and the direction of our team.
I think you forgot another reason - cost. Adding a good player cheap is OK no matter who you are and where you are headed.
Adding an expensive one at the peak of his career while we are looking at a couple year rebuild is something else. We need to let the young-uns play more in this process. Adding the vet is detrimental due to his cost alone which hinders our ability to chase after other young talent.
beb0p
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This is a shrew move by Petrie. Unlike most trades, a sign n trade is where the player gets to decide where he goes. For argument's sake, if Billups say to Detroit he wants to come to Sac, the Piston cannot say, "No way! You're going to Dallas instead, they offered a better deal."
So this gives us a chance to unload some bad contract(s); say John Salmons and KT for Billups. If the Piston say no, they risk losing Billups for nothing. Is signing Billups (or another star players) worth getting rid of some bad contracts? Perhaps. And I suspect that's what Petrie meant by "open question." It depends on the players involved. Of course we don't need Billups, but I'd rather have Billups than Salmons + KT, assuming the money is equal. It's a long shot to attract those elite star players, but it's Petrie's job to try.
Also, we could be the third team in a sign n trade. Remember the Spurs got involved in the Brad Miller snt and got Hedo in the process. We could join in the fun and either get rid of some bad contract or get a promising young player. Both good scenario.
I suspect the reason we contacted Mo Pete is because we're offering John Salmons in return for a sign n trade w/ Toronto (the Raptors tried to sign Salmons last year). At any rate, imo, Petrie is trying to getting rid of dead weight by signing good weight.
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Um, point of fact? Geoff isn't insisting on anything. People are really quick to jump right off assumption cliff into conclusion pond. Petrie does this every year. He at least touches base with the representatives of a number of free agents because most of them have more than one client and who knows what could come of a conversation...
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