[Game] Kings @ Jazz - Saturday, Oct. 26 - 6 PT

[TaxMan]

Worst signing in history? Remember John Salmons? George Hill?

Accuracy is important here. Which John Salmons transaction are you specifically referencing? The original free agency haul, or the re-acquisition through trade?

 

[tastyburger]

Only john salmons and mikki moore can save this season..

 

[TaxMan]

You could have the worst coach in the world and that shouldn't cause your starting center to repeatedly throw the ball to the Invisible Man on the court. Dedmond looked like his mind was totally elsewhere tonight. It certainly wasn't on the game.

Hey now....Dedmond paced the team with 11 points today!

 

[TaxMan]

After 3 games and thinking about it awhile, the Kings are playing a lot like the Lakers under Walton, not very well.
It is hard to see much enthusiasm at times. It is hard to see what the plan is or where the leadership is coming from.
I think the coaching is the greatest disappointment. The players are similar to last year with some supposed upgrades. We all got optimistic.
We forgot how important the coach is and that is takes time.

Maybe it’s time for a change already?

 

[sactowndog]

Back to back on the road expectations adjusted to keeping it within 10.

Apparently even that was to optimistic. This year is going to be a long year.

 

[kingdivac]

You could have the worst coach in the world and that shouldn't cause your starting center to repeatedly throw the ball to the Invisible Man on the court. Dedmond looked like his mind was totally elsewhere tonight. It certainly wasn't on the game.

I didn't have a good first impression of Dedmon. My conclusion - this early season looks like a Kings-tragedy in the making. Too much "fixing" of things that may not have been all the way broken in the off-season. Yes they ended the season fizzling out last season, but I'd take that over fizzling out to start the season. Too many unknowns introduced. From a fan standpoint, too high of expectations. They may have gambled too much with coaching and team chemistry.......grab players with defensive slants to adjust defense, however, the offense has now suffered evidently as well. It could be back to square-1. Or maybe they pull together, but who knows.

 

[mac]

unbelievable

all these guys do is talk. I rolled my eyes before the season when they talked about defense in every other presser, knowing that we’ve heard this **** before. Back to the Musselman days

as a fan I’m beyond tired and sick. Big changes need to be made yet again

They were too confident that they could score. Well now guess what our offense is crap. Everyone's playing bad so I don't want to sound like I'm singling anybody out, but Fox has been getting the ball past half court with 16-17s left and our "offense" is getting initiated with 11-12 seconds. A vast difference from last year.

 

[sactowndog]

Vlade better find someone quick that knows how to coach in the Kings organization. This laid back approach is not cutting it.

The players respect Vlade. If he wants to keep his job I think he perhaps better fire Walton and coach this team himself

 

[ESP47]

The replay of the game is on tv right now if anyone wants to watch again.

 

[Livinthedream]

The players respect Vlade. If he wants to keep his job I think he perhaps better fire Walton and coach this team himself

If Vlade has to fire Walton, then Vlade may be done too.

 

[Livinthedream]

The replay of the game is on tv right now if anyone wants to watch again.

Ha! You sadistic son of a gun.

 

[theclash4u5]

They're young and eager and all of a sudden one of them is making some pretty serious demands, even to the extent of saying he doesn't feel wanted. It might be a business, but it's the chemistry that makes the team. Look at THE TEAM. It was their ability to look upon themselves as the Band of Brothers that made them so special.

Everything changed when Shump was traced

 

[gunks]

If Vlade has to fire Walton, then Vlade may be done too.

Pretty sure Vlade steps down this season. He gave himself a timeline and it isn't looking good. Vivek isn't gonna talk him out of it either, he wanted Luka*.



Doom and gloom aside, this is game 3 and I'm still pulling for us to turn it around, but holy ****, this start has been straight up abysmal.


*according to multiple draft day tweets, so I reckon we can take it with a grain of salt, but it's an interesting narrative.

 

[Kings_of_California]

I'm now officially in "check the score after the game and expect a loss" mode. Team is garbage right now. Looks like a big step back from last year, Bagley or not.

 

[Albatros]

Bagley isn't a guy who's going to single handedly prevent 30 point blow outs.

Vlade tried to be smart, he also passed up trae young who is another who fits the modern nba game and is already better than everyone on our team.

 

[ockingsfan]

I don't agree that the Lakers didn't play with enthusiasm under Walton. Forget about last year with the LBJ/AD/Magic Johnson fiasco. The prior year's team was young, played very hard, very fast, and played better defense than the Kings under Joerger, imo. I do agree that the Kings were extremely flat tonight. I'm not giving up on Walton yet.

Agreed. Pre-LeBron Lakers under Walton played hard for him. Once LeBron was signed, Walton was toast.

Something is wrong though. These guys are playing with no passion, just going through the motions.

The players need to call a players only meeting and get to the root of this malaise. This is just getting embarrassing.

 

[KingsCitizen]

That pre-season scrimmage with Ariza acting like the war veteran that Kings players should look up to still gives me scary thoughts.
I think the should trade remains of Ariza, who could no longer guard anybody nor shoot reliably. Then sign Shump back. Shump brought something special to this team that seemed to pull out the best of the young guns.

Or I don't know, maybe just get Harry Giles back and let Ariza stay 40 mins in the bench.

 

[Tetsujin]

Pretty sure Vlade steps down this season. He gave himself a timeline and it isn't looking good. Vivek isn't gonna talk him out of it either, he wanted Luka*.



Doom and gloom aside, this is game 3 and I'm still pulling for us to turn it around, but holy ****, this start has been straight up abysmal.


*according to multiple draft day tweets, so I reckon we can take it with a grain of salt, but it's an interesting narrative.

considering Vivek’s track record, if he wanted us to draft Luka, we’d have drafted Luka.

 

[Tetsujin]

Bagley isn't a guy who's going to single handedly prevent 30 point blow outs.

Vlade tried to be smart, he also passed up trae young who is another who fits the modern nba game and is already better than everyone on our team.

In all fairness, neither are Luka or Trae or anyone really.

 

[NewArena]

In all fairness, neither are Luka or Trae or anyone really.

Right

I’m really over the Luka hyperbole as if the Mavs are world beaters or something lol will those guys even make the playoffs themselves? We’ll see

 

[The_Jamal]

Everything changed when Shump was traced

Weirdly, I think this is correct. Shump obviously was the vocal leader in the locker room and all the young guys banded around being "the scores". They had an identity, no one took this team seriously and we shoved it down everyone's throats on a nightly basis who didn't want to run with us.

I still have no clue wtf the FO was thinking trading him like that. They couldn't see he was the clear emotional leader of the team? And considering how much the team sulked after he was gone, we can't like it didn't have an impact.

 

[Cojc]

Hey at least we have our draft pick this year. I better start watching some college ball and trying to figure out who we could get with that number one pick.

 

[Albatros]

Hey at least we have our draft pick this year. I better start watching some college ball and trying to figure out who we could get with that number one pick.

Draft picks mean nothing if you always make the wrong pick.

 

[Chupacabra]

I can't attribute 3 straight losses that feature 2 blowouts to the coach. This is a player effort problem. We have a group of cream of the crop basketball players that are among the very top players from their respective draft classes turning the ball over, not making shots, and not defending. You don't get blown out in one game and not come back the next game fighting as hard as possible.

 

[Albatros]

I can't attribute 3 straight losses that feature 2 blowouts to the coach. This is a player effort problem. We have a group of cream of the crop basketball players that are among the very top players from their respective draft classes turning the ball over, not making shots, and not defending. You don't get blown out in one game and not come back the next game fighting as hard as possible.

Our draft picks are only at the top of their respective classes because we picked them there.

 

[jellyfish]

Same old problem of low IQ, other than Bjelica/maybe Harry (Bogi had it briefly) everyone at best has average (Fox/Barnes/Cojo) and mostly below average IQ (Bagley/Dedmon/Holmes/Gaberial/Buddy/Ariza). The defense as well is horrendous atm we only have rotation players no cornerstones. The Kings might just need to tank this season and hope for #1 pick it's still early so there is some hope but wow this is shocking.

You can't blame the coach for player not being able to make a pass or move the ball that's basic stuff this is a poorly constructed roster by Vlade and near every single guy he signed was a massive overpay at the time.

 

[jellyfish]

Said it all post break last year. Our good start was fool’s gold. We suck.

The West was weak last year was the season to make the playoffs as a average team.

The Kings need to get Reggie Evans to come play he would run the high post better than what we got atm.

 

[kingdivac]

Weirdly, I think this is correct. Shump obviously was the vocal leader in the locker room and all the young guys banded around being "the scores". They had an identity, no one took this team seriously and we shoved it down everyone's throats on a nightly basis who didn't want to run with us.

I still have no clue wtf the FO was thinking trading him like that. They couldn't see he was the clear emotional leader of the team? And considering how much the team sulked after he was gone, we can't like it didn't have an impact.

It was a difficult decision - Shumpert was routinely shooting 2-9 on many nights. Hindsight 20/20. I think it was too much change in the offseason in FA and coaching -- also not having a top draft pick didn't help..

 

[kingdivac]

Same old problem of low IQ, other than Bjelica/maybe Harry (Bogi had it briefly) everyone at best has average (Fox/Barnes/Cojo) and mostly below average IQ (Bagley/Dedmon/Holmes/Gaberial/Buddy/Ariza). The defense as well is horrendous atm we only have rotation players no cornerstones. The Kings might just need to tank this season and hope for #1 pick it's still early so there is some hope but wow this is shocking.

You can't blame the coach for player not being able to make a pass or move the ball that's basic stuff this is a poorly constructed roster by Vlade and near every single guy he signed was a massive overpay at the time.

When a team looks unprepared, you as an observer certainly can divy blame to the coaches. Sure players get blame too. It's still only 3 games in, panic in 15 if its a nasty W-L %. Winning is a cure-all in pro sports

 

[Entity]

What is the date in which free agent signings can be traded? I imagine Vivek is gonna start putting some pressure on vlade before long.