Kings get DDV, Trey Lyles, Josh Jackson & trade Marvin Bagley III to Pistons in 4 team trade.
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Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
I think Metu is a keeper. Hustles hard, plays fairly solid backside defense, athletic as hell. If/once his perimeter shot starts falling, he could really be something.
sactowndog
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Im guessing Woodard is cut as he has shown little as might be Ramsey. Ramsey behind DDV makes little sense
chief bromden
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The addition by subtraction with Buddy, combined with the additions, should make it fun to watch on both sides of the ball. Selfless play by role players who know their role, and long armed defenders that can rebound. I'm down with that.
IMO that's a good thing. Grant is not a good fit as a low efficiency scorer who doesn't provide much spacing or playmaking and who will be looking for a huge contract after next season.
twslam07
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Agree. It's why I typed that last sentence in the post you quoted.
Padrino
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Buyer's market. For whatever reason, the Pistons really wanted Bagley. And Monte found a way to get an asset he prized in the process after multiple teams were roped in, in addition to taking a flyer on Jackson and snagging a quality rotation guy like Lyles. Just really solid GMing.
Livinthedream
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Yeah. Just because the Kings fan bubble decided he was the worst player ever, doesn't mean it's true. Same with Buddy. This wasn't a good situation for either player. It's business and I hope for success for him in Detroit. It's a much better situation for Bagley there.
Well, this is PG depth that we needed, but it allows you to play multiple defensive looks between mitchell, DD, Lamb, Holiday, and Harkless (when he comes back). It went from crap defense to what should be a reasonably good perimeter defense. Sabonis is a reasonably good defender as well, but still no rim protection. My only issue is that will you be able to resign him next year (he is RFA i believe). With that said, the kings do save money this year by moving bagley. They have an estimated 110M under contract for next year currently (Lamb and DD will fall off the books). I would think Woodard will be waived (which would only guarantee 300K for him), dropping you to 109M. The cap next year is $119M giving you 10M to play with and a $10M MLE.
Now, I would imagine no one will throw too much money at Lamb, and even though it was only 1 game, I would entertain bringing him back if he plays well the rest of the way, but on a much cheaper deal (akin to Holiday or less $4-6M/year for 2-3). DD will probably command $6-8M and the question is do we do that? BUT, I would really want the Kings to chase a Bobby Portis or Mo Bamba type player who can give some legit PF/C time and stretches the floor and blocks some shots next to sabonis. I throw the 10M MLE at them and hope that lands one of them (Portis>Bamba). That still allows you to use some of the your 10M to bring back DD and Lamb or another piece. If you bring in Portis, start him next to Sabonis and move Barnes to the 3. If Bamba, play Barnes at the 4 and bring Bamba off the bench. I dont see Josh Jackson being kept around unless he wows them with his play. Trey Lyles...meh but only $2M im ok with him but would rather buy him out at years end if necessary to make cap room.
Fox/Mitchell/DD
Holiday/DD/TD
Barnes/Lamb/Harkless
Portis/Metu/Barnes/Harkless
Sabonis/Jones/Len
Deep team with good defenders. Still some suspect shooting Though. Portis would help with that. Holiday/Barnes/Portis would on paper be good enough shooters to keep teams honest. Metu needs to work his shot next year too (as do mitchell/fox as per the usual).
FINALL!! Some defenders.
Now, I would imagine no one will throw too much money at Lamb, and even though it was only 1 game, I would entertain bringing him back if he plays well the rest of the way, but on a much cheaper deal (akin to Holiday or less $4-6M/year for 2-3). DD will probably command $6-8M and the question is do we do that? BUT, I would really want the Kings to chase a Bobby Portis or Mo Bamba type player who can give some legit PF/C time and stretches the floor and blocks some shots next to sabonis. I throw the 10M MLE at them and hope that lands one of them (Portis>Bamba). That still allows you to use some of the your 10M to bring back DD and Lamb or another piece. If you bring in Portis, start him next to Sabonis and move Barnes to the 3. If Bamba, play Barnes at the 4 and bring Bamba off the bench. I dont see Josh Jackson being kept around unless he wows them with his play. Trey Lyles...meh but only $2M im ok with him but would rather buy him out at years end if necessary to make cap room.
Fox/Mitchell/DD
Holiday/DD/TD
Barnes/Lamb/Harkless
Portis/Metu/Barnes/Harkless
Sabonis/Jones/Len
Deep team with good defenders. Still some suspect shooting Though. Portis would help with that. Holiday/Barnes/Portis would on paper be good enough shooters to keep teams honest. Metu needs to work his shot next year too (as do mitchell/fox as per the usual).
FINALL!! Some defenders.
Agreed. I've been a fan of his progress since summer league. The shot has been bad, but virtually everything else has screamed starting caliber
Lyles has a lot of experience swinging to small ball 5 and I think he and Metu could work as the back-up Frontline. Good depth problem to have
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
Cant be. We still have Holmes and picks and we don’t have enough roster spots for the players we do have.
krylia sovetov
Bench
me like it
all kudos to monte
what about DDV's contract?
all kudos to monte
what about DDV's contract?
Tetsujin
The Game Thread Dude
He’s a restricted free agent this season so the Kings can offer him an extension (probably going to be around 10-12 million dollars per year unless he really starts playing good) or he can sign an offer with another team, which we can then match.
If you move holmes (who i forgot in my depth chart above...yikes cuz i love the guy and he is from my alma matter) for PJW and Ish Smith, then you dont even need to chase any future players in FA but will have that luxury with 10M cap and 10M MLE. Just resign you guys with that room and you should be very competitive
Fox/Mitchell/Ish/DD
Holiday/TD/DD
Barnes/Lamb/Harkless/Holiday
PJW/Metu/Barnes/Lyles
Sabonis/Jones/Len/Lyles
Deep as hell team with good shooting and defense.
Fox/Mitchell/Ish/DD
Holiday/TD/DD
Barnes/Lamb/Harkless/Holiday
PJW/Metu/Barnes/Lyles
Sabonis/Jones/Len/Lyles
Deep as hell team with good shooting and defense.
Sabonis is signed through the next two seasons.
yeah...and initially i was worried if he would have been willing to stay, but I have since read his wife wanted to move to Cali (she is from Cali) and given the show he put on last, I got no worries.
sactowndog
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On a positive note:
If DDV can get healthy and if any of (Fox/Mitchell/Jackson/Lyles) can learn to shoot the three this team could be very good. We have some defensive length to put around Sabonis
On the other hand, if the current percentages play-out/continue in terms of 3 point shooting things could be really fugly
Sabonis 32.4
Lamb 33.3
Jackson 26.5
Lyles 30.1
DDV 28.4
Fox 26.9
Mitchell 32.0
Metu 27.1
Davis 32.9
Holiday 37.9
Barnes 41.2
outside of Barnes and Holiday.......This roster is a collection of some really really bad shooting.........
If DDV can get healthy and if any of (Fox/Mitchell/Jackson/Lyles) can learn to shoot the three this team could be very good. We have some defensive length to put around Sabonis
On the other hand, if the current percentages play-out/continue in terms of 3 point shooting things could be really fugly
Sabonis 32.4
Lamb 33.3
Jackson 26.5
Lyles 30.1
DDV 28.4
Fox 26.9
Mitchell 32.0
Metu 27.1
Davis 32.9
Holiday 37.9
Barnes 41.2
outside of Barnes and Holiday.......This roster is a collection of some really really bad shooting.........
sactowndog
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I would settle for Doug Christie
Section 101
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Your obsession with the 3 is mind bogging.
They need to stop hunting 3s and take what they get when open. This is what Joerger had them doing.
Take the catch and shoot 3. Stop the off the dribbles.
The 3 pt % will go up.
Thus team will live on The drives and getting teams in foul trouble.
Sabonis is going to get them way more catch and shoot 3’s. They haven’t had that player in a while (Cousins could do it - but he didn’t trust his shooters).
