Kings draft Spencer Hawes: Discussion
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the problem is he isn't duncan. btw duncan is athletic and he was a PROVEN rebounder and shotblocker in college in which hawes has neither assets. Did prime brad miller and vlade divac win you championships with all the talent we had around them?
I seriously would of been happier with Julian Wright. We're gonna suck next season anyways and it would of been fun watching a guy that will dunk and is explosive and athletic than a guy who's just skilled in the post and cant do anything else... Shareef anyone???
I seriously would of been happier with Julian Wright. We're gonna suck next season anyways and it would of been fun watching a guy that will dunk and is explosive and athletic than a guy who's just skilled in the post and cant do anything else... Shareef anyone???
We were picking #10. It's not like we had the pick of the litter. We didn't reach for him. Hawes was slotted for the 8-12 picks for the last couple months. I would hope this is the first of many moves, so don't just slot him in with last year's team. That would be depressing.
Smith at 10 would have been a reach
Smith at 10 would have been a reach
In response to the Martin comment...
He's great. A pleasant suprise actually. He is not the savior of our franchise, however.
Bleeding talent, mediocre draft picks, questionable coaching decisions. I know a lot of us are looking for things to look positive on and Martin is probably the only thing now after today.
He's great. A pleasant suprise actually. He is not the savior of our franchise, however.
Bleeding talent, mediocre draft picks, questionable coaching decisions. I know a lot of us are looking for things to look positive on and Martin is probably the only thing now after today.
I am not personally hating on Hawes. I tried to make a point of that. Actually, I think Hawes would be good for Chicago and Noah good for Sac. The issue is both franchises like certain types of players and ignore obvious needs. The Bulls need Hawes inside scoring and the Kings need Noah's rebounding and tenacity.
Here's hoping that Hawes is as good as Kaman on the Clippers.
Everyone needs to stop talking about "need."
If you do not like Hawes as a player than that's fine. However, to say we do not need him because we have Rahim and Miller does not make sense. We are entering rebuilding mode, I do not think that anyone here really believes Rahim or Miller are a part of our long term plans.
However, if Hawes is a legit center who can be paired with an athletic, shot blocking PF than he is a great rebuilding piece and that is exactly what we need.
Almost everyone wants the Kings to rebuild so stop evaluating picks based upon how they fit tne "needs" of the current team. We need forget the players we have outside of Martin, Cisco, Douby, Williams, Price and Salmons and start evaluating moves with regards to how they could fit on our new core. Bibby, Miller, Artest, Rahim and Thomas and what they bring to this team are irrelevant now other than what we can get in return for them or how their contracts restrict our rebuilding efforts.
So please, let's evaluate Hawes and not get caught up into evaluating how he complements a team that's being dismantled.
If you do not like Hawes as a player than that's fine. However, to say we do not need him because we have Rahim and Miller does not make sense. We are entering rebuilding mode, I do not think that anyone here really believes Rahim or Miller are a part of our long term plans.
However, if Hawes is a legit center who can be paired with an athletic, shot blocking PF than he is a great rebuilding piece and that is exactly what we need.
Almost everyone wants the Kings to rebuild so stop evaluating picks based upon how they fit tne "needs" of the current team. We need forget the players we have outside of Martin, Cisco, Douby, Williams, Price and Salmons and start evaluating moves with regards to how they could fit on our new core. Bibby, Miller, Artest, Rahim and Thomas and what they bring to this team are irrelevant now other than what we can get in return for them or how their contracts restrict our rebuilding efforts.
So please, let's evaluate Hawes and not get caught up into evaluating how he complements a team that's being dismantled.
maybe they're thinking: Can't get the PF we need....so we'll just "draft" BRAD as our PF, and use HAWES as our C (with pasing ability, back to basket, low post scoring ability) ala Vlade. --Vlade wasn't athletic, was no shot blocker, or rebounder. Maybe they're trying to build a 2003-2004 Kings team (before CWebb messed it up).
We can have a starting 5 like this:
Hawes/Williams
Miller/SAR/Thomas
Artest/Garcia
Martin/Salmons
Bibby/Price/Douby
I don't think that's shabby. Now, we only need some more trades so shore up the bench.
maybe miller will be traded? and we get a PF? then Hawes at C? I don't know, but I think we should give the kid a chance. the simple truth is: WE HAVE SO MANY NEEDS AND THIS ONLY FILLS ONE OF THEM.
We can have a starting 5 like this:
Hawes/Williams
Miller/SAR/Thomas
Artest/Garcia
Martin/Salmons
Bibby/Price/Douby
I don't think that's shabby. Now, we only need some more trades so shore up the bench.
maybe miller will be traded? and we get a PF? then Hawes at C? I don't know, but I think we should give the kid a chance. the simple truth is: WE HAVE SO MANY NEEDS AND THIS ONLY FILLS ONE OF THEM.
Said it in the other thread... Picking Spence was NOT that bad a call given who was left and what the Kings have/need...
IF YOU REALLY WANT TO COMPLAIN, then complain about the lack of movement BEFORE today. No trade up for a better pick, so far no player movement to make room for the pick you CAN get and for those of you fliks who were screaming for the Kings to make the play offs... this #10 pick was the result of poo positinig LAST season. Had the team moved talent for enders lost a few more game the team would have had a MUCH better shot at a top 5 or even top 2 pick.
But at this point to whine about selecting Hawes at #10 givne who was left on the board and what he currne troster looks like sory I don't see it.
IF YOU REALLY WANT TO COMPLAIN, then complain about the lack of movement BEFORE today. No trade up for a better pick, so far no player movement to make room for the pick you CAN get and for those of you fliks who were screaming for the Kings to make the play offs... this #10 pick was the result of poo positinig LAST season. Had the team moved talent for enders lost a few more game the team would have had a MUCH better shot at a top 5 or even top 2 pick.
But at this point to whine about selecting Hawes at #10 givne who was left on the board and what he currne troster looks like sory I don't see it.
If you don't think that's too shabby you must not have been watchign last year. The NBA might break its own rules and allow TNT to televise us nationally zero times to avoid the mindnumbing mediocrity.
Now there just have to be moves. Big moves. Little moves. Things have to change now. You can't just add a very limited player like Hawes and call it an offseason. The explosive has to be loaded in the truck now, and *boom*, bye bye to that lienup above and many of those faces. They will not be much lamented after they are gone.
Now there just have to be moves. Big moves. Little moves. Things have to change now. You can't just add a very limited player like Hawes and call it an offseason. The explosive has to be loaded in the truck now, and *boom*, bye bye to that lienup above and many of those faces. They will not be much lamented after they are gone.
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