[KINGS] Comments that don't warrant their own thread (Redux)

The_Jamal said:
Hmm, figured Keegan offensive LEBRON because of how effective his shooting is and how efficient overall he is. But perhaps because he provides next to no playmaking and little FTA equity, that's bringing the rating down. Near 0 on D-LEBRON is a very good sign though.

Lyles dead-center of that map is both good and bad news for us. Good news is his play in a Kings uni is probably pretty well sustainable with what he showed us last year and so far this year. Bad news is he might be pricing himself out of our range or even maybe a starting job somewhere.
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To me the only downside to our great season is we don’t have the ability to experiment with Keegan. I actually wonder if there isn’t a good passer hidden in there. I think his reads have been alot better recently and he has slung some nice passes including that one in the futures game. I wonder if he will play a couple summer league games to see how he has progressed as an initiator and with ball skills. If the Kings brass really feel he is a Lauri Markkanen, they are going to need to cut him loose
 
iowamcnabb said:
To me the only downside to our great season is we don’t have the ability to experiment with Keegan. I actually wonder if there isn’t a good passer hidden in there. I think his reads have been alot better recently and he has slung some nice passes including that one in the futures game. I wonder if he will play a couple summer league games to see how he has progressed as an initiator and with ball skills. If the Kings brass really feel he is a Lauri Markkanen, they are going to need to cut him loose
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Yeah, I think there's a ton to hold on to that he's productive on a good team as a rookie starter. That generally bodes extremely well for his upward ascent into potentially being a star. Guys like Tatum/Kawhi/PG all started being good productive role players for their teams before they developed into full-blown #1 option star players. Keegan probably doesn't have that level of ceiling, but I think like a MPJ with better defense/defensive versatility is absolutely in the cards for him.
 
coolhandluke said:
Vivek actually said that to the coach? I thought it was only for some media fluff piece. Vivek got the "failing fast" thing down pat. Thankfully, he seemed to have learned the lesson a bit late but better late than never.
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I think this is the first time I've seen it semi-confirmed in this manner (although I suspect it's slightly embellished for effect)
 
coolhandluke said:
Vivek actually said that to the coach? I thought it was only for some media fluff piece. Vivek got the "failing fast" thing down pat. Thankfully, he seemed to have learned the lesson a bit late but better late than never.
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It was idiotic with the four on five but I’ll give him some credit with the positionless basketball. A lot of people here gave him crap about it but he’s not entirely wrong. We have seen that more and more last few years with teams like the Clippers and Raptors where they’re made up of mostly 6”8 guys that are switchable
 
Pacboy said:
It was idiotic with the four on five but I’ll give him some credit with the positionless basketball. A lot of people here gave him crap about it but he’s not entirely wrong. We have seen that more and more last few years with teams like the Clippers and Raptors where they’re made up of mostly 6”8 guys that are switchable
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And I hate to stand up for Vivek, because he irritates me so, but Malone makes the conversation sound like this:

VR: Coach Malone, I want you to do a cherry-picker!
MM: No.
VR: Yes, you must implement a cherry-picker, NOW!

...

VR: Coach Malone, where is my cherry-picker?
MM: Yeah, yeah.

...

VR: Coach Malone, I asked you for a cherry-picker two weeks ago!
MM: Yeah, yeah...idiot.
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When the conversation most likely went something like this:

VR: Hey, why don't we use a cherry-picker? Easy baskets!
MM: Umm, because it becomes much easier for the other team to score on us...and to get the offensive rebound. Can't cherry pick if the other team scores or gets the ball back. Why do you think nobody does this?
VR: Oh. OK, then. Just trying to think out of the box.
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I was trying to figure out the not obvious part about playing "4 on 5".
I played with my Mexican coworkers once and thats how they played. More like soccer with 3 attackers one kinda inbetween and one guy who just stayed back on D.
 
mrlaze said:
I was trying to figure out the not obvious part about playing "4 on 5".
I played with my Mexican coworkers once and thats how they played. More like soccer with 3 attackers one kinda inbetween and one guy who just stayed back on D.
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I think Vivek wanted it the other way - one guy forever cherry picking.
 
he was obsessed with pace, it's easy to turn into a caricature but like others said he wasn't entirely wrong. However, it made it easy for the folks who were supposed to be basketball experts but really bad at it to save face/cover their butts by pointing to this new guy.

Malone's a great coach but if he can't get his squad at least to the WCF this year he may be on the hotseat with his great not Vivek owner too.
 
iowamcnabb said:
Excerpt from the Athletic

1st Q: -1.9 net rating (previous: -2.6) | Ranked 19th (previous: 18th tied)
2nd Q: +0.5 net rating (previous: +7.3) | Ranked 15th (previous: 5th)
3rd Q: +3.0 net rating (previous: +4.0) | Ranked 10th (previous: 9th)
4th Q: +6.4 net rating (previous: +2.8) | Ranked 2nd (previous: 9th)
Clutch: +12.9 net rating (previous: +22.8) | Ranked 4th (previous: 4th) | 31 games (18-13) (Previous: 15 games, 9-6)
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The De'Aaron Fox effect.
 
Pacboy said:
It was idiotic with the four on five but I’ll give him some credit with the positionless basketball. A lot of people here gave him crap about it but he’s not entirely wrong. We have seen that more and more last few years with teams like the Clippers and Raptors where they’re made up of mostly 6”8 guys that are switchable
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He was right. At the time positionless basketball wasn't for public consumption. Vivek also wasn't knowledgeable enough to talk shop with actual NBA professionals. Should have just been listening and taking it in.

To me it sounds like Malone already had issues with Vivek, so when Vivek tried to get into Xs and Os, Malone chose to roll his eyes and make fun of him to media. If Malone respected Vivek, he would have treated it as a guy interested in the game and educated him a bit.

Wonder if this happened after Malones dad had quit.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
Malone's a great coach but if he can't get his squad at least to the WCF this year he may be on the hotseat with his great not Vivek owner too.
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Mike Malone probably gets the number one seed this year and there is a good chance they draw the Golden State Warriors in the first round. If the GSW are healthy, they are very capable of bouncing Denver out of the playoffs in the first round.
 
ockingsfan said:
Mike Malone probably gets the number one seed this year and there is a good chance they draw the Golden State Warriors in the first round. If the GSW are healthy, they are very capable of bouncing Denver out of the playoffs in the first round.
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I don't think any team has a clear path to the WCF, especially if Phoenix is as good as everyone expects, they may wind up 3 seed and ruin both Memphis and Denver's fantastic seasons.

I could also see us playing the Mavs in the 4/5 and the winner of that series giving Denver fits. All of the other teams at least have enough star power that if they put it together they could upset anyone in a 7 game series.
 
kingsboi said:
change the rules to where the entire starting unit needs to cross the half court line in 8 seconds
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Why? Cherry picking is a losing strategy, which is why nobody does it except on an opponent's fast break. Why tinker with the rules when it's not necessary?
 
pdxKingsFan said:
I don't think any team has a clear path to the WCF, especially if Phoenix is as good as everyone expects, they may wind up 3 seed and ruin both Memphis and Denver's fantastic seasons.

I could also see us playing the Mavs in the 4/5 and the winner of that series giving Denver fits. All of the other teams at least have enough star power that if they put it together they could upset anyone in a 7 game series.
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The West is wide open. Has been pretty much the whole season. Just bigger names involved after the trades.
 
Livinthedream said:
He was right. At the time positionless basketball wasn't for public consumption. Vivek also wasn't knowledgeable enough to talk shop with actual NBA professionals. Should have just been listening and taking it in.

To me it sounds like Malone already had issues with Vivek, so when Vivek tried to get into Xs and Os, Malone chose to roll his eyes and make fun of him to media. If Malone respected Vivek, he would have treated it as a guy interested in the game and educated him a bit.

Wonder if this happened after Malones dad had quit.
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Positionless basketball was defined by the Warriors but there's no indication he understood that as a flexible concept and one that can't just be grafted onto a basketball program overnight

Maybe ironic or maybe predictable, we've finally found success with a traditional system and roster that's a callback to basketball 20 years ago. We have clearly defined roles, including the defining wrinkle of the Y2K era of the passing big, led by the progeny of that change himself

The only thing that distinguishes this team from the early aughts style is a PF volume 3 shooter and a PG who's done work to eliminate the midrange (altho clearly part of his natural game)

We're a very postional- based team. Maybe the one contemporary mantra we've followed is "we zig when they zag" - giving up a prototypical 2020 guard for a 2000 center

But Vivek has also bought into a more timeless guiding principle - hire good talent and get out of their way
 
captain bill said:
Positionless basketball was defined by the Warriors but there's no indication he understood that as a flexible concept and one that can't just be grafted onto a basketball program overnight

Maybe ironic or maybe predictable, we've finally found success with a traditional system and roster that's a callback to basketball 20 years ago. We have clearly defined roles, including the defining wrinkle of the Y2K era of the passing big, led by the progeny of that change himself

The only thing that distinguishes this team from the early aughts style is a PF volume 3 shooter and a PG who's done work to eliminate the midrange (altho clearly part of his natural game)

We're a very postional- based team. Maybe the one contemporary mantra we've followed is "we zig when they zag" - giving up a prototypical 2020 guard for a 2000 center

But Vivek has also bought into a more timeless guiding principle - hire good talent and get out of their way
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I will say that Keegan and Barnes could either be the 3 or 4 at any moment, and that was decidedly not a hallmark of the Adelman squads. We were not Houston and the twin towers, but we were very much two bigs. I think if you had tried to run Barnes and Murray in that day you'd be like "ick, tweeners".

Now the funny thing is that Peja probably is a 4 in this modern game.

But you are right that we haven't embrace the fully interchangeable wing, and we very much have defined PG, C and I think SG rotations on this team. So only that 3/4 and really only when it is Keegan and Barnes, is there some vagueness as to who is who.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
It's pretty ridiculous when Vivek was the guy that pushed for him and gave him his shot. Yep the morons giving "basketball advice" were at fault. Which unfortunately lead to Vivek's second massive failure, over correcting with a "popular" GM to right the damage that his hand picked geniuses caused. When you get past two horrific GM hires he's not half bad. Definitely a long way to go to reach good owner but I think a lot are coming around on him because he was never as bad as the worst owners in the league. The absentee slumlord types that don't even try or worse, the Sterlings and Sarvers of the world.
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Exactly. Vivek's intentions always seemed ok to me so i cut him more slack than those owners you named and guys like the Maloofs that actively sabotaged us so they could move the squad. That sabotage set us back decades, but, thankfully Vivek didn't become the stubborn guy that wants all the credit and doubles/triples down into his own idiotic moves. He's far from perfect but im happy these days tbh.
 
The_Jamal said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1628401729485123585

Kind of insane we're getting the short end of the stick this badly and still off to our best start in 16 years. Not to mention we've had a few games straight up stolen at the buzzer (Klay fouls Huerter for 3 FTA, Herro travel to hit a game-winner and one other I can't remember)
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It confirms that our own two eyes work and we're not totally and completely biased.
 
The_Jamal said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1628401729485123585

Kind of insane we're getting the short end of the stick this badly and still off to our best start in 16 years. Not to mention we've had a few games straight up stolen at the buzzer (Klay fouls Huerter for 3 FTA, Herro travel to hit a game-winner and one other I can't remember)
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Sadly, the fact that the Kings are not benefitting from calls and winning while teams like the Lakers are getting calls and loosing might be some support for the belief that Refs actually change the outcome of a significant number of games.
 
I'm hopeing soon they will make replica ref jerseys. Im going to start rooting for them. They win everytime. Maybe I can get some insite on who they are betting on. Is there a ref fan forum somewhere?

Go Refs!
 
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