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[JB_kings]

Did we watch the same sonics series? Mo shut down who ever he guarded, better than any other King had done.

Adelman's comments on 1140 a little over a week ago indicated that Evans defense needed a lot work.

 

[Kingsgurl]

Remember folks! These are only your opinions, which you are entitled to, but, they don't count.

You already know my opinion

 

[VF21]

Well, opinions may not count, but message boards would sure be pretty stagnant without them...

 

[BobbyJ_for3!]

Well, opinions may not count, but message boards would sure be pretty stagnant without them...

very, VERY true

I once posted on this forum that gave warnings to anyone being at all negative about anyone else's opinion. The only point to a FORUM is to discuss, and try to make other people see your side, and possibly agree with it. That forum didn't let you rebuttle anyone else, and they call themselves a forum. PSH.

anyways, that was my rant, hope you had fun reading it

 

[Alacron]

very, VERY true

I once posted on this forum that gave warnings to anyone being at all negative about anyone else's opinion. The only point to a FORUM is to discuss, and try to make other people see your side, and possibly agree with it. That forum didn't let you rebuttle anyone else, and they call themselves a forum. PSH.

anyways, that was my rant, hope you had fun reading it

Honestly, I didn't even know it was a rant until you said so. Only three sentences... Jim Rome could learn a lot from you!
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[Kingsgurl]

It's kind of an inside joke, Bobby J, not a rant

 

[John Galt]

I've never seen a rebuke from a moderator for any over-the-top gushing about Kevin or any post urging that over-the-top gushing about Cisco is premature. Those posts don't seem to warrant the yellow flag the way positive Cisco or skeptical Kevin posts do. Neither player has proven jack.... so why can't fans of either player speak their mind without scolding if they are coming down on the "wrong" side?

 

[Venom]

I'm confused.

Just because you haven't seen Kevin do something, doesn't mean he can't do it. You're so convinced, despite Kevin's showing in both the SPDL and NOW
the summer league, that Garcia should be the primary option for the 2?

Personally, I'm pretty excited about the way Kevin is playing right now. Or is it just a fluke he's scoring lots of points, getting more and more comfortable in his role, etc.? He was the high scorer in the SPDL, and his scoring average was second only to Mike Bibby's. But I guess that's not enough for some people...

I think Kevin is going to prove himself this coming season and I'm very proud of him for working so hard already.

GO KINGS! BOTH KEVIN AND CISCO!!!

You seem to go out of your way to question my opinions, which is cool, but considering I've been at the games, and you have not even seen Cisco play yet (on any level?), misguided.

Apparently you also do not read all of my posts, as I also stated Martin has been unstoppable. I have not seen him shoot off the catch because he does not do it. He is not comfortable doing it, and he will not be doing it anytime soon. He is great off the dribble, but he uses that dribble as a crutch. Martin has taken a paucity of 3's because he needs a dribble to get into rythm.

And thesanity was right. Assuming the team makes no more moves, I prefer the help defense of Garcia for the first unit, and the scoring punch that Martin would provide for the second unit. Martin and Bobby could come in and light it up, with defensive stalwarts like Skinner and Tag manning the post positions. Martin and Bobby do not need the offense to create opportunities, which is perfect, because the rest of the second unit isn't going to provide any.

Lastly, all you people get so caught up on who starts. It doesn't mean jack. It's all about who finishes, and I imagine that will vary depending on who is playing well, the score, the flow of the game, and so on. And no, his scoring is not enough for me, because right now he plays "Kings" defense. We have plenty of guys who score, and add little else. Garcia is intense, plays defense, and eventually his shot will fall. I like Martin's offense a lot, but I like it best with the second unit. I don't like to mix it up, I just abhor the sycophantic behaviour common on this board.

 

[funkykingston]

I can't see Kevin ever being a very effective catch-and-shoot player if he doesn't change his mechanics. His motion is just too funky, and a bit slow (at least it was last season) to be a stand still shooter. In that way, Martin is almost the anti-Christie. He shoots better off the dribble, probably because that's how he's always practiced shooting.

 

[Bricklayer]

I can't see Kevin ever being a very effective catch-and-shoot player if he doesn't change his mechanics. His motion is just too funky, and a bit slow (at least it was last season) to be a stand still shooter. In that way, Martin is almost the anti-Christie. He shoots better off the dribble, probably because that's how he's always practiced shooting that way.

Mentioned before that Kevin really has the game of a primary offensive weapon, not a roleplayer. That's both promising and dangerous for him. Promising in that if he's good enough he could be a significant player in the league. Dangerous, because so many players with that style of game end up bombing out of the league. The problem is that if they aren't good enough to be primary weapons, they just aren't terribly useful in lesser roles. There is no fallback position. Its primary weapon who actually gets fed, or its bust.

And yes, that jumper is really messy. I know he went the small school under the radar route, but really surprised nobody ever tried to help him fix that earlier in his career.

 

[VF21]

You seem to go out of your way to question my opinions, which is cool, but considering I've been at the games, and you have not even seen Cisco play yet (on any level?), misguided.

Apparently you also do not read all of my posts, as I also stated Martin has been unstoppable. I have not seen him shoot off the catch because he does not do it. He is not comfortable doing it, and he will not be doing it anytime soon. He is great off the dribble, but he uses that dribble as a crutch. Martin has taken a paucity of 3's because he needs a dribble to get into rythm.

And thesanity was right. Assuming the team makes no more moves, I prefer the help defense of Garcia for the first unit, and the scoring punch that Martin would provide for the second unit. Martin and Bobby could come in and light it up, with defensive stalwarts like Skinner and Tag manning the post positions. Martin and Bobby do not need the offense to create opportunities, which is perfect, because the rest of the second unit isn't going to provide any.

Lastly, all you people get so caught up on who starts. It doesn't mean jack. It's all about who finishes, and I imagine that will vary depending on who is playing well, the score, the flow of the game, and so on. And no, his scoring is not enough for me, because right now he plays "Kings" defense. We have plenty of guys who score, and add little else. Garcia is intense, plays defense, and eventually his shot will fall. I like Martin's offense a lot, but I like it best with the second unit. I don't like to mix it up, I just abhor the sycophantic behaviour common on this board.

It's all cool...as far as I'm concerned, anyway, despite your use of the big "sycophantic" word.

You're the one who mentioned the starting position, saying you'd give it to Garcia. I was questioning that simply because you seem to be giving Cisco much more credit having seen him play in a couple of summer games than you're allowing other people to give to Martin after seeing him play in REAL games.

And yes, I do read all your posts. Do you give others around here who have watched Kevin all year the same consideration? I don't believe so. Kevin can shoot off the catch - I've seen him do it, as have others. You don't want to acknowledge that, so fine...

Peace.

 

[ikon_zero]

I don't buy all this funky shot business. as long as it goes in, that's what matters... right? slow I can see, but funky? look at shawn marion

 

[Bricklayer]

I don't buy all this funky shot business. as long as it goes in, that's what matters... right? slow I can see, but funky? look at shawn marion

Well the problem with the funkiness is it is what makes it slow. And that CAN be a detriment to Kevin ever developing a nice stop and pop in between game to go with his drives to the hoop. I also suspect that its one of the reasons he's nto a great FT shooter -- there is a lot of extra movement in that stroke, and a lot more that can go wrong. I'm far from anybody who should be talking about shooting, but the limitations are pretty obvious when you see it only a few times. His set shot also takes his jumping ability out of the equation and makes him "short" when shooting a "jumper". Will likely make it hard for him to get the shot off in traffic. Not necessarily fatal, but definitley something that can hold him back. Be nice if he could work with a shot doctor at some point.

 

[ikon_zero]

well I haven't seen kevin shoot lately but I read somewhere on here his stroke had sped up a little. who knows

regardless, I see your points... all I have to add is that he was an 84.1% free throw shooter through college

 

[D-Mass]

Well the problem with the funkiness is it is what makes it slow. And that CAN be a detriment to Kevin ever developing a nice stop and pop in between game to go with his drives to the hoop. I also suspect that its one of the reasons he's nto a great FT shooter -- there is a lot of extra movement in that stroke, and a lot more that can go wrong. I'm far from anybody who should be talking about shooting, but the limitations are pretty obvious when you see it only a few times. His set shot also takes his jumping ability out of the equation and makes him "short" when shooting a "jumper". Will likely make it hard for him to get the shot off in traffic. Not necessarily fatal, but definitley something that can hold him back. Be nice if he could work with a shot doctor at some point.

We may need two shot doctors soon...one to work with Kevin and the other to work with Antoine Walker's funky shot...

 

[6th]

We may need two shot doctors soon...one to work with Kevin and the other to work with Antoine Walker's funky shot...

Bite your tongue, D-Mass.

 

[Kingsgurl]

I can't see Kevin ever being a very effective catch-and-shoot player if he doesn't change his mechanics. His motion is just too funky, and a bit slow (at least it was last season) to be a stand still shooter. In that way, Martin is almost the anti-Christie. He shoots better off the dribble, probably because that's how he's always practiced shooting.

I can't speak for everyone, but personally, I think having a guy who is a slasher type scorer instead of just a spot up shooter is a GOOD thing. He can hit the open J with enough consistancy to keep the defense guessing. Aren't we tired of being a soft, jump-shooting team? Isn't having someone willing to take the hit and get to the rim (and the line) something we could use? I certainly think so.

 

[6th]

Speaking of 'getting to the line', what was his FT% as a King last year? And, wasn't it about 85% or so in college? I like the idea of someone 'taking it to the rim' that can shoot 85% from the line. Not to mention, getting the other team's players in foul trouble.


p.s. yes, I could look it up, but I am too lazy to do that.