[Game] Kings @ Bulls 3/15/2023 5p PST/8p EST

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KingsFanSince85 said:
The NBA officiating tries it’s best to derail our KINGS night after night — but they continue to fight through it and get WINS.

Imagine what this team’s record might be IF they got superstar treatment of the LAL franchise?

Those calls against Harrison Barnes in favor of Derozan weren’t even bad enough to refer as ”terrible”. That’s all I can say.
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Kings win 5-on-8 on most nights. I consider this as practice for the playoffs.

Sabonis smacked in the face and no call. No problem. He's is still going to be a beast on the inside -- broken thumb or not.
Fox manhandled in the paint. No call. No problem. Still makes the bucket.
No And-1 calls for our stars. No problem. We are gonna come at you no matter what. We earned every win on merit and not on handouts from the refs.

We got a mentally tough squad starting from the top to bottom. They're not going to lose sleep over the refs. At this point, they expect all calls to go against them. I love it.
 
I only ever get to watch the games via constantly refreshing live box scores, and updating the game threads for context.

But even knowing how the game ended, the highlights had me screaming:

Holy Foxin Shirtballs!

And only 3 game-winners!? Wow, considering he’s taken over something like 20 games in the fourth and completely willed this team to a win, I would have thought his “game-winners” number was in the teens at least.

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coolhandluke said:
Kings win 5-on-8 on most nights. I consider this as practice for the playoffs.

Sabonis smacked in the face and no call. No problem. He's is still going to be a beast on the inside -- broken thumb or not.
Fox manhandled in the paint. No call. No problem. Still makes the bucket.
No And-1 calls for our stars. No problem. We are gonna come at you no matter what. We earned every win on merit and not on handouts from the refs.

We got a mentally tough squad starting from the top to bottom. They're not going to lose sleep over the refs. At this point, they expect all calls to go against them. I love it.
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im soooo glad we don't have a team that whine to the officials after every single play. We may get pissed and bark back at a ref every now and then but it's never been a glaring issue.
 
Löwenherz said:
And only 3 game-winners!? Wow, considering he’s taken over something like 20 games in the fourth and completely willed this team to a win, I would have thought his “game-winners” number was in the teens at least.
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How is that stat tracked? Is that shots when trailing or tied on the final possession (or inside of 10 seconds)? I've seen this stat used to suggest Luka has zero of these.

I would imagine if tracked like GWG in hockey or GWRBI (do they still do that one?) in baseball he'd have more than 3.
 
wheres the 'Fox should stop taking 3's!' crowd at?


I know those comments usually get made by chicken little types in the 2nd quarter of games, but If you really believe that, you should watch this gamewinner about 100times in a row... If you do watch it on repeat you'll see how the threat of Fox going left is a bit overwhelming for defenders, and so if De'Aaron wants he can abuse that, bait them into leaning/cheating and pulling up for a clean look.

n in a tie game with the ball, what you want more than anything else is a clean look..


Furthermore if the Kings did all the little stuff that people complain about here, it'd maybe move them 1 whole spot up in the standings... Pretty much totally inconsequential, and its great Mike Brown has orchestrated our rotations and not overloaded De'Aaron with driving like a madman early in the game when we have so many other potential hot hands...

One thing Im sure of is the "we want everything to be perfect, we want to score 150 points and hold the opposition to 95 or else the defense is trash" if those people got what they wanted, WE'D BE AT SO MUCH HIGHER RISK FOR INJURY, and really all that extra risk and effort would be for what? to be the 1 seed instead of the 2? there's not as much room for improvement as ppl wanna make it to be. Just a bunch of complainers, who want to add a ton of risk to the equation in exchange for VERY LITTLE REWARD.. We're in 2nd place as is.


what excellent footwork by Fox on this gamewinner too.. who coaches future nba guards that use those choppy steps better than Coach Calipari? Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is the best in the league at that stuff.
 
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pdxKingsFan said:
How is that stat tracked? Is that shots when trailing or tied on the final possession (or inside of 10 seconds)? I've seen this stat used to suggest Luka has zero of these.

I would imagine if tracked like GWG in hockey or GWRBI (do they still do that one?) in baseball he'd have more than 3.
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dk how the stat is tracked I'd guess Spencer Dinwiddie leads the league, probably by a wide margin.

Dinwiddie's gamewinners would also explain why Luka doesnt have any, as Dinwiddie had more than few when he was on the Mavs, he even had bakc to back ones IIRC.
 
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Ozymandias said:
dk how the stat is tracked I'd guess Spencer Dinwiddie leads the league, probably by a wide margin.

Dinwiddie's gamewinners would also explain why Luka doesnt have any, as Dinwiddie had more than few when he was on the Mavs, he even had bakc to back ones IIRC.
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Yes my understanding is Dinwiddie was leading the league as of 2 weeks ago.
 
Ozymandias said:
wheres the 'Fox should stop taking 3's!' crowd at?


I know those comments usually get made by chicken little types in the 2nd quarter of games, but If you really believe that, you should watch this gamewinner about 100times in a row... If you do watch it on repeat you'll see how the threat of Fox going left is a bit overwhelming for defenders, and so if De'Aaron wants he can abuse that, bait them into leaning/cheating and pulling up for a clean look.

n in a tie game with the ball, what you want more than anything else is a clean look..


Furthermore if the Kings did all the little stuff that people complain about here, it'd maybe move them 1 whole spot up in the standings... Pretty much totally inconsequential, and its great Mike Brown has orchestrated our rotations and not overloaded De'Aaron with driving like a madman early in the game when we have so many other potential hot hands...

One thing Im sure of is the "we want everything to be perfect, we want to score 150 points and hold the opposition to 95 or else the defense is trash" if those people got what they wanted, WE'D BE AT SO MUCH HIGHER RISK FOR INJURY, and really all that extra risk and effort would be for what? to be the 1 seed instead of the 2? there's not as much room for improvement as ppl wanna make it to be. Just a bunch of complainers, who want to add a ton of risk to the equation in exchange for VERY LITTLE REWARD.. We're in 2nd place as is.


what excellent footwork by Fox on this gamewinner too.. who coaches future nba guards that use those choppy steps better than Coach Calipari? Shai Gilgeous-Alexander is the best in the league at that stuff.
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Despite this glorious game winner, I'm still here. His points in the paint and mid-range are more efficient and that's why I'm against him settling for 3s.

33.3% from 3pt is equivalent to shooting 50% from 2pt. For the season, Fox is at 32.9% from 3pt and 57.9% from 2pt. His 2pt shot is the more efficient shot for him.

I don't mind it if he's taking it in rhythm, but I don't like him settling for 3s early in the shot clock.. that's not his game. He's a below average 3pt shooter and is exactly the guy you want falling in love the shot if you're the opposing team. A little bit of Westbrook in there.
 
206Fan said:
Despite this glorious game winner, I'm still here. His points in the paint and mid-range are more efficient and that's why I'm against him settling for 3s.

33.3% from 3pt is equivalent to shooting 50% from 2pt. For the season, Fox is at 32.9% from 3pt and 57.9% from 2pt. His 2pt shot is the more efficient shot for him.

I don't mind it if he's taking it in rhythm, but I don't like him settling for 3s early in the shot clock.. that's not his game. He's a below average 3pt shooter and is exactly the guy you want falling in love the shot if you're the opposing team. A little bit of Westbrook in there.
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You cannot be the guy who never shoot threes.
 
206Fan said:
Despite this glorious game winner, I'm still here. His points in the paint and mid-range are more efficient and that's why I'm against him settling for 3s.

33.3% from 3pt is equivalent to shooting 50% from 2pt. For the season, Fox is at 32.9% from 3pt and 57.9% from 2pt. His 2pt shot is the more efficient shot for him.
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Perhaps you are both missing the point. Fox gets the ball back with 12.1 seconds left on the clock. The game is tied. They need one point to win. What is the highest percentage shot he can take? A drive or pullup in the lane. You either make the shot or get fouled. What is the lowest percentage shot he could take? A three.

This was poor decision making, also known as hero ball.
 
Caccia said:
Perhaps you are both missing the point. Fox gets the ball back with 12.1 seconds left on the clock. The game is tied. They need one point to win. What is the highest percentage shot he can take? A drive or pullup in the lane. You either make the shot or get fouled. What is the lowest percentage shot he could take? A three.

This was poor decision making, also known as hero ball.
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I don't disagree but I'm thinking the logic was they had no timeouts, rather than get fouled and risk giving Chicago a chance to win with a three, he decided he'd run the clock and take a shot knowing they had overtime if he missed. Fox more or less said that in the post game interview that they were confident they could win in overtime so the main thing was to make sure they took the last shot.
 
Caccia said:
Perhaps you are both missing the point. Fox gets the ball back with 12.1 seconds left on the clock. The game is tied. They need one point to win. What is the highest percentage shot he can take? A drive or pullup in the lane. You either make the shot or get fouled. What is the lowest percentage shot he could take? A three.

This was poor decision making, also known as hero ball.
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Good thing Fox is a hero.
 
Caccia said:
Perhaps you are both missing the point. Fox gets the ball back with 12.1 seconds left on the clock. The game is tied. They need one point to win. What is the highest percentage shot he can take? A drive or pullup in the lane. You either make the shot or get fouled. What is the lowest percentage shot he could take? A three.

This was poor decision making, also known as hero ball.
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No, I'm pretty sure it is YOU that is missing the point. You're way off in the weeds, complaining about things that don't need complaining.

Seriously, what is it about De'Aaron Fox that causes people some to constantly criticize him no matter how good or great the results are? It's not like the kid is some super cocky, outspoken bad boy. He's not out at strip clubs flashing guns or taking cheap shots at other players.

This ridiculous criticism, especially after big games and big wins, makes absolutely no sense. NONE.

The KINGS are likely gonna finish with their best record since 2004-2005. Fox is leading the charge by dominating Q4 and clutch points across the entire league, including hitting numerous game-winners, YET all some of you can manage to do in response is criticize his decision making and approach to free throws??

You guys engaging in this bush-league nonsense don't deserve to enjoy any of what's going on and what's yet to come.

Furthermore, smart guy, with regard to taking "a three" did you ever stop to consider that, with no timeouts and no chance to setup their defense, De'Aaron knew he'd be able to get an OPEN three due to the threat of his speed and quickness? He said as much during his postgame interview when they hadn't double-teamed him with "around" 4 seconds to go.

Instead, you foolishly believe an OPEN three in rhythm to be a lower percentage shot than, very possibly, a contested 2 considering the defense was playing back?

Furthermore, have you NOT followed De'Aaron career or the pattern of officiating toward the Sacramento Kings? Are you completely unaware?? It sure seems like it.

Swipa has a LONG history of getting poked, bumped, hit, slapped, slammed, you name it -- without a foul call. And last I checked the KINGS have been the victim of the most missed calls during the final 2 minutes of games this season.

But I'll bet none of that factored in to your "hot take".

The end all, be all is --- the shot went IN. As many other clutch shots have gone in for De'Aaron this season.

You'd think it'd appropriate to hold back criticism until, IDK, the guy actually makes a clear and obvious mistake that costs the team a win. Or at least performs poorly consistently.

But, nope. Our resident De'Aaron Fox naysayers don't roll like that. They always got $#1t to complain about even when the going is good.

Good, great, grand, wonderful. Have at it, bro. I'm done reading the incessant and unwarranted negativity from the usual suspects here. This season is too much fun for that.
 
I’m pretty sure that if Fox drove into the compacted lane at the end of the game and missed a highly contested shot, he would get criticized for not passing out or trying to be a hero or…….smiling after he missed.
I just move past that stuff and enjoy Fox for what he does. Thankful we have him.
 
captain bill said:
"he moved his hand back" uhhh maybe the elbow did??
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Sure didn't affect the shot in the least, did it?

I'm going with, yes, he did move his hand back. Even if he didn't, that's not worthy of a foul call in the final seconds of a game based upon decades of evidence of allowable contact in those situations.

Even worse than that call was the supposed "wreckless closeout" by HB earlier in the quarter.

HB stops about 2-feet from the 3 point line then jumps and lands about a foot closer to the 3 point line -- on HIS side of the line no less -- while DeRozan shoots from the other side of the 3 point line to then land well on the opposite side of the line and it's somehow Harrison Barnes fault?

What happened to the defender being entitled to being "somewhere" on the floor? Barnes was there first. He didn't jump into shooters space. The shooter jumped into HIS space. Basically no different than an offensive charging call. But ruled differently for some idiotic reason.
 
dude12 said:
I’m pretty sure that if Fox drove into the compacted lane at the end of the game and missed a highly contested shot, he would get criticized for not passing out or trying to be a hero or…….smiling after he missed.
I just move past that stuff and enjoy Fox for what he does. Thankful we have him.
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I remember LBJ's early days in Cleveland before the move to Miami when he was often criticized for NOT taking the final shot and instead passing it up to make the "correct" basketball play.

There's no winning with some people. Just degrees of losing.

You do what LBJ did and make the right read and play and the teammate misses it -- it means you should have forced the shot at all costs and also that you don't have the "Mamba" mentality to take and make clutch shots.

If you take the shot and don't pass to an open teammate, it's "hero" ball.

If you went right, you should have gone left. If you went left, you should have gone right.

If you tried to get to the basket and got stripped of the ball or blocked or otherwise missed, you should have pulled up for a jumper.

If you pull up for a jumper, it should have been closer, or further away. Or both.

Oh wait, now I'm confused.......nevermind.

Circling back to your last 2 sentences, you have the right mindset, dude12. And so does De'Aaron, thankfully.
 
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