[Game] Kings @ Bucks - 11/25/15 - 5 pm PST, 8 pm EST

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

*Facepalm*

Point differential includes strength of offense as a measure of the overall strength of a team. Its offense minus defense.

You know what point differential uses to measure defense? Defensive rating.

Then how come all you have to do is take PS-PA/G to get the same number that comes up under Point Differential?

But, by all means, continue to stand firm with that "All defensive statistics are meaningless, except for the one which supports my argument" thing you've got going on.

 

[Kingsgurl]

It's not just externally with other teams though, but internally with coaches as well, or with refs etc. I definitely agree that it's a perpetuated narrative, but it's also not one that is completely untrue. Teams have decided he's an easy mark because he is an easy mark. That's the whole point. And trust me, someday when it really matters (if it doesn't already), that narrative, however true, is going to hurt us big time.

The narrative can never change if one keeps placing blame where there is none. He could go 2 years without a tech, get one, and everyone would come out of the word work, wringing their hands and gnashing their teeth.... SEEEE, I TOLD you!

 

[Blob]

2 things:
(1) That was awesome. Cuz is awesome. All other opinions are incorrect.
(2) Darren Collison with the assist of the game! Add that to the list of reasons why we can't trade him.

Once game ended it looked like Mayo was waving to Boogie to meet him in the tunnel..... Darren saw something was going down and waved for security....crazy!

https://twitter.com/Shaudy_lo/status/669731195538788352

 

[Bricklayer]

I watched the Bucks broadcast so I missed it. Pics?

 

[mac]

The narrative can never change if one keeps placing blame where there is none. He could go 2 years without a tech, get one, and everyone would come out of the word work, wringing their hands and gnashing their teeth.... SEEEE, I TOLD you!

And you are certain of this because? Has he gone for a year without a tech (not that I think techs are the problem)? Has he gone a year without a suspension of some kind or altercation of some sort? What concrete proof do you have that this is the case? None! (The usual defense at this point is because our organization is terrible, blablabla. Let's not waste time getting into that)

The narrative can never change because Cousins never fully changes, plain and simple. Year after year, he does something and then apologizes after it, says he needs to be the leader. But up to this point, he just goes and does something again within a couple of months. Sure, you will always have a handful of media writers or posters who will cling to the narrative regardless of what he does, those who choose to only focus on the bad without acknowledging the good. But most would agree that Cousins has made strides, but still isn't there yet, and at least in my opinion, likely will never be. Doesn't mean he should be traded, doesn't mean that we are better off without him. It does mean that if it doesn't change, it's a big big potential weakness in our team that opposing teams will look to exploit. I'm pretty sure that teams will be able to get under Cousins' skin even more in a physical 7 game series.

 

[HighFlyingMonkey]

Then how come all you have to do is take PS-PA/G to get the same number that comes up under Point Differential?

Well, since you said point differential "allows for pace" I assumed you were using the per-possession version, but I suppose I gave you too much credit.

But, by all means, continue to stand firm with that "All defensive statistics are meaningless, except for the one which supports my argument" thing you've got going on.

If you're seriously going to tell me that the measure of a defense isn't how well opposing offenses score against you then I don't know what to tell you. This is basic basketball literacy.

 

[Sac.1989]

1 feb. get ready. MIL @ SAC

 

[macadocious]

Anyone have any idea what Kidd was so upset about?

 

[peacelate]

Anyone have any idea what Kidd was so upset about?

Probably because the referee was slow in giving him a timeout. Kidd is hilarious though.

 

[Kingsgurl]

Anyone have any idea what Kidd was so upset about?

No idea, but that was where Mayo first got in DeMarcus' face and Cuz just looked at him, no response.

 

[Hoovtrain]

Anyone have any idea what Kidd was so upset about?

Because his team could only muster 118pts against the Kings defense

 

[Amit149]

http://stats.nba.com/league/team/#!/opponent/?sort=OPP_FG_PCT&dir=1
http://stats.nba.com/league/team/#!/opponent/?sort=OPP_FG3_PCT&dir=1
http://stats.nba.com/league/team/#!/opponent/?sort=OPP_REB&dir=1
http://stats.nba.com/league/team/#!/opponent/?sort=OPP_PTS&dir=1
http://stats.nba.com/league/team/#!/clutch/fourfactors/?sort=OPP_EFG_PCT&dir=1

So... one stat says they're the worst, five stats say that they're not, and your conclusion is that the one that says they're the worst is the only one that counts?

If you want to see who is the most efficient scorer in the league... do you check who has the highest TS%? or do you look for a guy who is first at FG%, 3PT% and FT%- because the latter not only doesn't exist but it's also a pretty backwards way to test efficiency.

Now to the stats you brought:

1. Opponent FG%- doesn't account for 3's and FT's... overly simplistic.
2. Opponent 3PT%- it was proven many times that the measure of a good 3-point defense isn't by % (because it's almost impossible to control) but by attempts (we are the worst in the league by that measure)- but again it just measures a small part of the game.
3. Opponent REB- again, just one part of what a defense is, and defensive rebounds count there... if you look at which team allowed the most offensive rebounds- it's the Bucks!
4. Opponent PTS- this is the first one who is supposed to account for the entire defense... but it's not adjusted for pace, once you use the same stat per 100 poss- the worst team is... the Bucks!
5. Opp EFG%- doesn't account for FT's, and tests only part of the defense (since we saw that the Bucks give the most offensive rebounds it's very meaningful).

And point differential is just ridiculous to use as a major of defense, because it accounts for offense just as much (so basically you can have a crap defense and a good point differential and vice versa).

So in short- yes, DefRtg is far more important than those stats when measuring the strength of a defense, because it measures the entirety of a defense and adjusts for pace... which is all you really need. when people say "top-10 defense" this is where they look at if they know what they are talking about.

 

[KingMilz]

COUSINS NEEDS TO BE SUSPENDED FOR THIS CRAP!

https://twitter.com/Shaudy_lo/status/669731195538788352

Honestly OJ Mayo has and will always be a ***** he had the crap beat out of him in Memphis by Tony Allen than when he played for Dallas he was fouling Cuz and Cuz swiped him and hit him in the **** and after the game he made a big deal about it. Not a fan of when Cousins does dumb stuff (didn't see anything there) but OJ Mayo in Australia we would call a ******. Dude's soft that''s why he never lived up to his potential.

 

[fansinceday1]

Comcast picked a nice day to install my new cable. I see the usually suspects are eager to jump to conclusions and cast further aspirations based on unfounded/unsubstantiated data, but I am surprised no one mentioned the shot of Cuz and Rondo after the game. I am REALLY liking how that relationship is developing.

I had to rewind to show the wife. I'm seeing a good bond going on there. Nothing but good can come out of that shot of boogie bear hugging rondo after the game.

 

[KingsFanSince85]

Ever notice cousins always has dust ups with 190 lb point guards. But when 250 lb big men get in his face, he then takes the high road and is the better person i.e. Zach Randolph last year

No, I haven't noticed that. Boogie seems to treat all of his player beefs equally.

Mayo just got in his face and he did nothing. I don't think it was because he was afraid of OJ Mayo. He wasn't scared of Zach Randolph either.

Besides, didn't he just face off with Al Horford last week. Didn't seem take the high road in that one did he? That pretty much shoots down your theory.

I do find it funny that guys like Mayo like to act tough on the court when they KNOW nothing will come of it. They know it will be broken up before anything substantial occurs and it's not like Boogie or any other player will come looking for them at their house or outside the office ----- well, except of course Matt Barnes, but that's another story altogether.

I'll bet dollars to doughnuts that Mayo would want no part of Big Cuz if he really felt it was going to go down.