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Well put and I completely agree. It has nothing to do with who is coaching him and everything to do with Ron.

Oh please. NOTHING to do with who's coaching him? That's just delusional.

Ron may want to be the man but if you have to address the coaching issue at some point. Musselman doesn't know how to deal with the egos of some of the players. It's really obvious. Adelman did have the ability to keep players happier than Musselman has ever dreamed of. For whatever reason, Artest has pretty much just decided to listen to what Musselman wants and then ignore it. I don't even think it's intentional. I think a part of him (artest) just firmly believes he has a better grasp on what should go on in a crunch situation than Musselman...

Again, this isn't a dig on Ron. He wants to lead the team to victory. He wants to win. He encourages the young guys. He just doesn't like to follow leaders who aren't really competent to lead. And I don't blame him a bit...
 
anyone else think Bibby was sending a message to Ron on the last play?

After watching the end of the game. It struck me as Mike might have been sending a message to Ron regarding the previous play where he attempted to go one on one and ended up giving up a charge. We were only down by one with 16 seconds at that point. On the last play with about 4 seconds left, and us down by 3, he give the ball up to a heavily guarded Martin for a contested 3 that doesn't even draw iron. Ron was wide open and waving madly for the ball. He had made a 3 from that spot just a couple of plays earlier...

I wasn't thrilled to see Ron go one on one with us down by one with 16 seconds left only to turn the ball over.. there was no ball movement, and no attempt to get a good open shot... just Ron going isolation on his guy... I wonder if Mike might have been saying to Ron, you had your shot last time down the floor and screwed it up so I'm giving someone else the opportunity to make the play this time down...

Just how it looked to me at the time...

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Oh please. NOTHING to do with who's coaching him? That's just delusional.

Ron may want to be the man but if you have to address the coaching issue at some point. Musselman doesn't know how to deal with the egos of some of the players. It's really obvious. Adelman did have the ability to keep players happier than Musselman has ever dreamed of. For whatever reason, Artest has pretty much just decided to listen to what Musselman wants and then ignore it. I don't even think it's intentional. I think a part of him (artest) just firmly believes he has a better grasp on what should go on in a crunch situation than Musselman...

Again, this isn't a dig on Ron. He wants to lead the team to victory. He wants to win. He encourages the young guys. He just doesn't like to follow leaders who aren't really competent to lead. And I don't blame him a bit...

Adelman could "get along" very well with his star players. I'll grant you that. If you continually defer to your star players, sure, you're going to get along. Personally, I don't want my coach to have "getting along" as his number 1 priority, but that's just me.

But back to Artest. The problem is, Adelman would be deferring to Artest this year, whereas last year Artest was deffering to him and the Kings organization.

Artest has shown through his own comments that he lives in his own world. He just said that the Kings will win 80% of their remaining games. No, he didn't just say it, he believes it. He has the same belief about his own abilities. Artest believes he has no limitations. Don't tell ME how to play my game, he says to the coach. How dare the coach tell ME how to play. I can do anything! Is that somebody that can be reasoned with? Heck, no. I don't care who is the coach with Artest - Riley, Jackson, you name it - they are going bang their head up against his wall sooner or later. Artest will not accept his own limitations. We can speculate on why that is all we want, but that's the reality. And not only does he think he can do everything, he thinks he deserves it. That's why he's uncontrollable.

You say "for whatever reason" Artest has refused to listen to the coach. Please. You're talking about Artest like you don't know his history. There are reasons aplenty that will indicate to you that Artest does whatever he wants, whenever he wants, and to whomever he wants. Muss is not the exception here. Look at Indiana. I can see your Indiana analogue saying that it was Carlyle that was the problem: "If they only had a coach with stature who knew how to talk to his star players." Artest had chance after chance. It wasn't his coach who drove him to destruction and choas in Indiana. It certainly was not the players who supported him. It was ONLY Artest. And for you to imply that Artest might know better is beyond any pale. Yeah, right. I'm sure GM's will be bringing in Artest to consult on their coaching vacancies.
 
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