Kings at 9
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It's weird that 3/4 of the board feels the talent acquired is fringe NBA at best but somehow it's simultaneously viewed as enough to net us an extra 5 wins or so that cost us a pick.
It can't be both. I think given that we are facing a bit of a messy cap situation with the Holmes decision putting us in a bind, the team needed to get a few players they controlled next season more than anything else. For trade flexibility plus possible continuity moving forward. I think Monte did well here. I also don't share your obsession with 2nd rounders, which I think are pretty useless for this team that has stockpiled them over the Vlade years and basically has to waive these picks within 2 years.
It can't be both. I think given that we are facing a bit of a messy cap situation with the Holmes decision putting us in a bind, the team needed to get a few players they controlled next season more than anything else. For trade flexibility plus possible continuity moving forward. I think Monte did well here. I also don't share your obsession with 2nd rounders, which I think are pretty useless for this team that has stockpiled them over the Vlade years and basically has to waive these picks within 2 years.
I'm praying 5th year Fox and 2nd year Hali can do serious damage, but we are 9th now with Super Saiyan Fox, Barnes, Hield, Holmes, and a ridiculously productive Hali. The West isn't getting easier next year. Both the Wolves and Thunder should make big improvements next year. Same goes for the East. Magic and Bulls should both be much better. It would be a good year for us to be bad if we can.
Yeh the West will be stacked next year with the big jump likely coming from Golden state.
If Fox and Haliburton are as good as we think they are we should be in the mix with Dallas Memphis and San Antonio for the last couple spots. Now if we lose Holmes and our draft pick is a bust, I could see us back in familiar territory
If Fox and Haliburton are as good as we think they are we should be in the mix with Dallas Memphis and San Antonio for the last couple spots. Now if we lose Holmes and our draft pick is a bust, I could see us back in familiar territory
It's a hard thing to move a franchise cornerstone player when you hadn't had one in eons. Once Karl and Cuz started to even look like they were butting heads something should have been done even if the idea was to build Cuz back up to move later. It's much easier to cut the coach in the equation when they are already kind of on the outs of the NBA elite at that point. The typical Kangz thing is they moved on from both and then Vlade proceeded to build a team that actually would have been perfect for Karls 5 out system. Go figure.
Damn this board is getting bad. Can’t even take a joke. Plenty of people here are fans and aware of what happened. Plenty of us follow the kings, not only in mainstream media but local news, blogs and forums so we know. It’s a play on his words people! He meant moving cousins earlier, as in years or weeks to get max value but I was joking cuz vlade actually was quoted mentioning 2 days, which technically was “earlier”. It’s sad that I have to explain it’s a joke, or explain the joke in general cuz people get all butt hurt and have to defend against a minor post in passing. 
Damn this board is getting bad. Can’t even take a joke. Plenty of people here are fans and aware of what happened. Plenty of us follow the kings, not only in mainstream media but local news, blogs and forums so we know. It’s a play on his words people! He meant moving cousins earlier, as in years or weeks to get max value but I was joking cuz vlade actually was quoted mentioning 2 days, which technically was “earlier”. It’s sad that I have to explain it’s a joke, or explain the joke in general cuz people get all butt hurt and have to defend against a minor post in passing.
That trade was a bitter pill to swallow for some of us. I don't think ownership was on board trading Cousins earlier. I suspect the Big Fella went on one rant too many which sealed his fate.Cousins/Agent ruining his trade value was a fact and the net loss to the Kings was a first round pick. And that was no joke IMO.
What part of cleaning this up on the back end did people not get? This was never not going to happen. The Kings went out of their way to win 2 pointless, literally pointless, games in the bubble and showcased impending FA's and players that are no longer even here. The good news is now there's probably near a 10% chance of making the play in.
'20-'21 Pre: .389 Post: .500 (as of right now)
'19-'20 Pre: .389 Post: .556
'18-'19 Pre: .526 Post: .360
'17-'18 Pre: .316 Post: .360
'16-'17 Pre: .421 Post: .381
'15-'16 Pre: .415 Post: .379
'14-'15 Pre: .346 Post: .367
'13-'14 Pre: .340 Post: .345
'12-'13 Pre: .352 Post: .321
'11-'12 Pre: .333 Post: .333
'10-'11 Pre: .245 Post: .379
'09-'10 Pre: .346 Post: .233
'08-'09 Pre: .204 Post: .214
'07-'08 Pre: .451 Post: .483
'06-'07 Pre: .431 Post: .355
'05-'06 Pre: .452 Post: .690 (Adelman's final year, and most recent playoff appearance)
So, while sometimes we do better and sometimes we do worse, in both of Luke Walton's seasons we have been not only better post-break, but also at or over .500 (this year I would anticipate we probably stick at .500, splitting the last 4 games), a record we haven't hit since the final Adelman year, and only came close to one other time way back when under Theus.
'19-'20 Pre: .389 Post: .556
'18-'19 Pre: .526 Post: .360
'17-'18 Pre: .316 Post: .360
'16-'17 Pre: .421 Post: .381
'15-'16 Pre: .415 Post: .379
'14-'15 Pre: .346 Post: .367
'13-'14 Pre: .340 Post: .345
'12-'13 Pre: .352 Post: .321
'11-'12 Pre: .333 Post: .333
'10-'11 Pre: .245 Post: .379
'09-'10 Pre: .346 Post: .233
'08-'09 Pre: .204 Post: .214
'07-'08 Pre: .451 Post: .483
'06-'07 Pre: .431 Post: .355
'05-'06 Pre: .452 Post: .690 (Adelman's final year, and most recent playoff appearance)
So, while sometimes we do better and sometimes we do worse, in both of Luke Walton's seasons we have been not only better post-break, but also at or over .500 (this year I would anticipate we probably stick at .500, splitting the last 4 games), a record we haven't hit since the final Adelman year, and only came close to one other time way back when under Theus.
So it looks like the Pels (Mavs,GSW,Lakers) and Kings (Memphis,Memphis,Jazz) are tied with same record for 9th Pick
not sure how this will turn out
So we need to worry about Wizards last three games ? Looks like they will get the 10th seed in east
could they get to the playin and still have better draft position than Pels or Kings?
not sure how this will turn out
So we need to worry about Wizards last three games ? Looks like they will get the 10th seed in east
could they get to the playin and still have better draft position than Pels or Kings?
I haven't seen any reporting that is super-explicit on it, but if I understand correctly, the lottery will be conducted among the 14 teams who do not make the "real" playoffs, regardless of whether they had made the play-in games or not.
This would mean that if we passed the Wizards in record, but they won their way into the real playoffs, they would pick 15th and whichever teams in the East lost out would be in the lotto, but behind us in position (presumably, unless they also had a worse record).
We are already locked out of lotto positions 1-7 and 14. Technically we have a chance at 15/16/17 outside the lottery, but obviously that would require a lot of things going exactly right, not only for us to reach the real playoffs but in the case of 16/17 for one or two teams in the East to finish behind/tied with us and also make the real playoffs.
This would mean that if we passed the Wizards in record, but they won their way into the real playoffs, they would pick 15th and whichever teams in the East lost out would be in the lotto, but behind us in position (presumably, unless they also had a worse record).
We are already locked out of lotto positions 1-7 and 14. Technically we have a chance at 15/16/17 outside the lottery, but obviously that would require a lot of things going exactly right, not only for us to reach the real playoffs but in the case of 16/17 for one or two teams in the East to finish behind/tied with us and also make the real playoffs.