Kings and free agency - part 2

[206Fan]

Have no problem with this at all. If he accepts, it's amazing for us and we can only hope he recovers well. If he declines, we move on.

 

[206Fan]

Anyone know what reggie jackson is going for? I know he's restricted

Probably 13million? Not sure though. It would be a huge amount, but he has potential to be a good PG in the league.

 

[Entity]

Alot more options at point then SG so load it at that position then make your offers for either starting pgs like rondo,Beverly or backups Lin, Williams

 

[The Hammer]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine 43s43 seconds ago
Wes Matthews Update: Sacramento offer to free-agent swingman is actually four-year deal at $16 million annually for total of $64 million

GOOD.

I think there are two keys here for us: 1) We have to hope the Deandre Jordan comes to his senses and stick with the Clips. and 2) That Rondo is on the back end of our Matthews negotiations already with a verbal deal in place, telling Matthews he should sign here and let's make a run at a ring. We should be leveraging Rondo if he is at all leaning here.

 

[iowamcnabb]

That would eliminate rondo I suppose. Some good backup pgs out there tho.

 

[The Hammer]

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Wes Matthews Update: Sacramento offer to free-agent swingman is actually four-year deal at $16 million annually for total of $64 million

Keep in mind, this contract is going to look cheap next year when the cap goes up to 90 MILLION, and then the next year when it goes up to ninety freeking five.

 

[The Hammer]

That would eliminate rondo I suppose. Some good backup pgs out there tho.

I'm still hopeful we can sign both, somehow.

 

[iowamcnabb]

We still need money for 2 SFs

 

[The Hammer]

That's a huge bet on his health... too rich for my blood... team option maybe???

I don't think we make that offer without knowing what the absolute best achilles docs in the world know about Wes.

 

[Jojimbo]

Probably 13million? Not sure though. It would be a huge amount, but he has potential to be a good PG in the league.

Thanks, I thought he'd be out of reach for us.

 

[iowamcnabb]

I'm still hopeful we can sign both, somehow.

Do you think rondo will take
5 mil? That's about all we could afford

 

[The_Jamal]

Again, do it.

Whats 1mil more/year in the grand scheme of things? The extra year makes me a little "eh" but we're at the point where Matthews is the guy that puts us in the conversation. Gets this franchise out of the gutter. You can work with DC-Matthews-Gay-Cousins as your core veterans. That's as strong as anyone in the league.

Praying to lord jesus that this takes us out of Rondo. Please Vlade, leave him alone! Matthews+literally anything other than Rondo and we're at a great off-season.

 

[Gary]

That would eliminate rondo I suppose. Some good backup pgs out there tho.

Nah it wouldn't.. Rondo is 99.9999999999999% signing here in Sac.. No sources or anything. It's my gut. And my gut is right all the time.

 

[Amit149]

I don't think we make that offer without knowing what the absolute best achilles docs in the world know about Wes.

There is no sure thing in this kind of injuries, NEVER... you need to get that.
No Doctor is going to tell you- "He'll be the same".

 

[sdballer]

GOOD.

I think there are two keys here for us: 1) We have to hope the Deandre Jordan comes to his senses and stick with the Clips. and 2) That Rondo is on the back end of our Matthews negotiations already with a verbal deal in place, telling Matthews he should sign here and let's make a run at a ring. We should be leveraging Rondo if he is at all leaning here.

Not sure any team with a cousins/wcs/Moreland front court is a guaranteed playoff team let alone contender

 

[sdballer]

We still need money for 2 SFs

Plus 1-2 bigs

 

[iowamcnabb]

Nah it wouldn't.. Rondo is 99.9999999999999% signing here in Sac.. No sources or anything. It's my gut. And my gut is right all the time.

Is your gut willing to cover the portion of rondos salary we can't afford?

 

[Entity]

We still need money for 2 SFs

Omri wants to be here and following his 800k contract last year he would go lower mid level or equivalent. And Rudy is a SF btw. We would need to pick up a big though. Probably not an expensive one but a just in case WCS needs time

 

[Fear the Putin]

Nah it wouldn't.. Rondo is 99.9999999999999% signing here in Sac.. No sources or anything. It's my gut. And my gut is right all the time.

Where do you get those guts? Reason I ask...my guts always get punched in following this team

 

[Rain man]

Keep in mind, this contract is going to look cheap next year when the cap goes up to 90 MILLION, and then the next year when it goes up to ninety freeking five.

And then $110 the next season. I was talking to a friend today about how salary perceptions will change because the cap is going from 65m to 110m. For instance, if I told you that you had $110m and could perfectly allocate salaries, you would probably come up with something like the following:

Superstar- Cousins- $25m
2nd star- Rudy- $20m
Third option - Matthews- $15m
Players 4-6 (elite role players, starters, sixth man)- Collison, Rondo, WCS - $10m each
Others in your daily 8 deep rotation- Ben and new 8th man- $5m each
And then $10m to fill spots 9-13 with deep benchers, rookies, projects, practice guys, veterans, league minimums, etc…

At least that is how I would allocate my cap. And it explains why pretty good third options like Middleton, Carroll, etc… are getting near $15m per year. It explains why elite role players like Green and (I guess) Shumpert and Amir are getting around $10m per year.

When you extrapolate the salaries out to the new cap in 2017, the $16m to Matthews looks a lot better if he is your third option (and if he is healthy).

 

[iowamcnabb]

Omri wants to be here and following his 800k contract last year he would go lower mid level or equivalent. And Rudy is a SF btw. We would need to pick up a big though. Probably not an expensive one but a just in case WCS needs time

Rudy is going to play at the four according to vlade.

 

[The Hammer]

Not sure any team with a cousins/wcs/Moreland front court is a guaranteed playoff team let alone contender

I wasn't aware that the best big man of his generation, coupled with an elite defensive mate, with a defensive/rebounding project automatically eliminated you from playoff contention, regardless of if you have a top 5 sf, defensive stud/3 pt specialist SG, and former 4x all defensive team point guard and excellent assist man.

Well, now I know.

 

[206Fan]

Rudy is going to play at the four according to vlade.

I just don't get it.. If we're moving Rudy to 4, why in hell did we pass on Winslow and Johnson?

 

[Amit149]

Marc Stein ‏@ESPNSteinLine
Source close to talks says Robin Lopez has COMMITTED to join Knicks and will do so ... UNLESS DeAndre Jordan chooses Knicks

Not all that relevant to us... but still news

 

[The Hammer]

Do you think rondo will take
5 mil? That's about all we could afford

No but he might take 8.5 this year, with large increases next two years, because that is actually what we can afford.

 

[Darth Divac]

Where does this idea that Gay will start at PF come from? Has anyone reported this?

 

[Amit149]

I wasn't aware that the best big man of his generation, coupled with an elite defensive mate, with a defensive/rebounding project automatically eliminated you from playoff contention, regardless of if you have a top 5 sf, defensive stud/3 pt specialist SG, and former 4x all defensive team point guard and excellent assist man.

Well, now I know.

I am really trying not to be negative, but- a rookie and an elite D-league guy... reality check my man...

 

[The Hammer]

There is no sure thing in this kind of injuries, NEVER... you need to get that.
No Doctor is going to tell you- "He'll be the same".

I'm sorry, are you a doctor now?

 

[SacKings384]

I just don't get it.. If we're moving Rudy to 4, why in hell did we pass on Winslow and Johnson?

That's where I'm confused. I thought it was going to be Collison, Bmac, Rudy, Dmc, wcs. But if Dmc is going to stay at C then Winslow was the easy choice.

I'm digesting the Matthews deal and it's growing on me a bit. I still hate it. Just not as much.

 

[Entity]

Do you think rondo will take
5 mil? That's about all we could afford

We have 26 mil in cap space. And Matthews offer prob will start at around 14 and end at 18 for 4th year. Leaving us with 12. You can go over the cap with MLE's and veterans.