Kings 2011 Pre-Draft Workouts (videos)

Siranthony said:
I appreciate the kindness. I know that's as good as it gets around here and people aren't entitled to an opinion. Thanks monkey man.
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An opinion isn't much of an opinion when it ignores logic, reality, and history. In fact it's closer to ignorance. Your "opinion" ignores the logic involved in player evaluations at the nba level, the reality of what gm's and coaches look for, and what every analyst has witnessed and reported, and the history of Jimmers entire college career.

If your opinion is based on anything involving reality, how about showing the ability to intelligently debate someone like Baja, who's watched Jimmer countless times? If your arguement holds any weight, and your brain contains any facts, then use them in conversation. But your opinion contains none of the above, and if it did, ^^^^^^ wouldn't have been your response. You haven't shown the ability to engage in dialogue, or continue a conversation.
 
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Siranthony said:
All I can say is I hope Brandon Knight falls to us. If we can't keep our center then we could draft a big man. Other than that we should trade down.
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I also hope that Knight falls to us. Not betting the house on it though. As far drafting a big man, the Pickings are somewhat slim. Kanter is probably the best prospect at the center position, and he's likely gone before we pick. If we can't resign Dalmebert, our best option would be to go after another center through freeagency. Thats if you want one that can come in and play right away.
 
Siranthony said:
I know that's as good as it gets around here and people aren't entitled to an opinion.
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Nobody said you don't have the right to your opinion. But if you're going to try to defend an opinion that is wildly at odds with not only the majority of this board but the majority of NBA scouts and personnel, then you're likely to take some heat for it.

It's OK to not care for Jimmer Fredette. But there's nothing "second-round" about Jimmer at all. There seems to be no possible way that he falls past the Knicks at #17 and by all appearances he is quite firmly in play for our #7 pick. There is also nothing "project" about Jimmer. He's played four years in college, can shoot the lights out, and has a good intellectual understanding of the game. He's NBA-ready and he'll contribute to whatever team drafts him immediately. He's not going to be a Hassan Whiteside who sits on the bench and bounces between the big club and the D-league until he's ready to play the NBA game. Again, you don't have to think he's the best available player at #7 or the best fit for our team - it's quite possible he's not - but calling him a "second round project" is like saying that John Stockton was a lousy passer.
 
My only issue with Jimmer is that we have a pretty decent guard rotation of Reke/Thornton/Beno with a little Cisco at the 2 thrown in for good measure. Assuming we resign Thornton, I wonder how much time will be there for Fredette?

I'd much rather we nab one of the SFs, but with Greene/Omri on board (and underachieving), I think GP has probably had it with SF prospects. Unless he's getting his smokescreen on.

Plus, we all know Jimmer is going to bail for Utah once his contract is up, what with him being Mormon and all :p
 
gunks said:
My only issue with Jimmer is that we have a pretty decent guard rotation of Reke/Thornton/Beno with a little Cisco at the 2 thrown in for good measure. Assuming we resign Thornton, I wonder how much time will be there for Fredette?

I'd much rather we nab one of the SFs, but with Greene/Omri on board (and underachieving), I think GP has probably had it with SF prospects. Unless he's getting his smokescreen on.

Plus, we all know Jimmer is going to bail for Utah once his contract is up, what with him being Mormon and all :p
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I have a lot of sympathy for this analysis. It is far more clear than a note I wrote a couple days ago that tried to cover all eventualities and in the end maybe didn't make a point.

I have tried to analyze this by looking at what player or players would offer the biggest upgrade right now. Then I throw in a gut feeling which blows everything apart. (Taking a deep breath) I think we will have available to us Vesely/Singleton and Knight/Fredette/Walker. More than likely three of the five will be gone and maybe our minds will be made up for us.

I think our pick needs to be an upgrade and be the first off the bench at his position. I think Petrie will go hard for a starting veteran SF in trade or free agency hence this conclusion. That means we need to figure who is the biggest upgrade over Beno/Cisco or the unholy triumvirate at the SF position, Greene/Casspi/Cisco. I am not excited about the SFs in the draft but think Vesely could be a star. Not today though.

I AM excited at the guard position. I like Jimmer and Knight and secondarily Walker although I put him at the same level as the SFs we could pick. Knight will be a bigger upgrade at the guard position than any SF at that position. Jimmer could be an offensive monster of a star. He has a unique skill that stands out over the more rounded game (we assume, really) than Knight or Walker. He could go down in history as one of the greatest. I don't see that in anyone else.

I hope we get Jimmer. Last year I wanted Cousins and did NOT have my eyes on anyone else, even Wall. This year it is Jimmer. He is special.

The note I quoted also is an opinion I have so I have a huge conflict in my mind. I still want Jimmer and we can sort out the mess later. Secondarily I want Knight or Vesely. Vesely has the biggest question mark but we will have the luxury of bringing him on slowly. He could be a bust although not a major bust. He could be spectacular. As of now he is a major league dunking machine and needs other parts of his game improved a lot. Only a work out could tell me what his potential is.
 
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Give me Jimmer ;)

"Jimmer played well. Of course he shot well, though not spectacularly — for him," said Andrus. "He passed very well in the 3-on-3, dominating without shooting a lot. He also looked good, and I would guess quicker than the Kings' braintrust might have expected, on defense. Offensively, he had some moves that had Jerry Reynolds, Pete Carril, and the whole row of Kings brass laughing and shaking their heads at how good he was. At one point he probably hit 15 20-foot pull-up jumpers in a row.

"It was actually comical to see how much (co-owner) Gavin Maloof seemed to be enthralled with Jimmer. While Tyler Honeycutt's athleticism was impressive, both Maloof and Petrie went directly up to Jimmer afterwards and spent a considerable amount of time with him. I didn't see them even speak to the other five players."

Walker couldn't make the workout with Fredette. The Kings brought in Sam Muldrow, Josh Harrellson, Honeycutt, Tobias Harris and UTEP's Randy Culpepper.

"The Kings brought out another guard, (believed to be Culpepper), who was super quick," said Andrus.

"My supposition is that this was to measure Jimmer's quickness. Jimmer did an impressive job of staying in front of him, even on full-court one-on-one drills. In the same drills, when Jimmer was on offense, he blew right by him. Jimmer was too strong and crafty for the other guard to handle."
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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/...amento-Kings-with-quickness-defense.html?pg=2
 
I think, barring Leonard or Walker coming in and just blowing the socks off the powers that be, Jimmer is at the top of the list for the Kings. He is the perfect fit, if looking for guard that can open the floor, and also create for himself and his teammates. He's also a leader, and a guy that can, when needed, take a team and carry them through rough spots. He's tough, he's smart, a hard worker, and a high charactor guy. Eventually I see him as a facilitator that carries a dagger in his right hand. As I've said before, I'm biased when it comes to Fredette. So I may be overrating him. But I don't think so..
 
gunks said:
My only issue with Jimmer is that we have a pretty decent guard rotation of Reke/Thornton/Beno with a little Cisco at the 2 thrown in for good measure. Assuming we resign Thornton, I wonder how much time will be there for Fredette?

I'd much rather we nab one of the SFs, but with Greene/Omri on board (and underachieving), I think GP has probably had it with SF prospects. Unless he's getting his smokescreen on.

Plus, we all know Jimmer is going to bail for Utah once his contract is up, what with him being Mormon and all :p
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I realize your kidding about Utah and the Mormon thing, but for those that are worried about such things. Although Jimmer is a Mormon, he is from New York, and might be more inclined to head in that direction rather than Utah. And, while he and his brother and sister are Mormon, along with his father, his mother is Catholic. I might add, that while Utah is known for being the capital of the Mormon religion, there are plenty of Mormons in California, Idaho, Oregon, Colorado, and Washington. I think Jimmer will go, or stay, where he's happy and has the best chance for success.

Also, and this is just my gut talking. I think Jimmer is one of those guys thats inclined to make his own success, and not ride the coattails of others. He's a guy that likes challenges and thrives on them. Point being, that if he comes here, and thats still a big if, and has success, he's the type that would like to stay and finish whatever he started. As I said, just my gut talking, so take that for what its worth.
 
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I came across this the other day and wanted to post it here. Tyreke Evans first workout with the Kings. Look at all those jumpers go right in.

Obviously he has struggled with his jumper in the NBA .. Just another reason why its fair to be skeptical of these workouts, good or bad. If Evans can hit a majority of his jumpers in a workout, then a guy like Jimmer, Knight, or whoever should be able to hit them aswell.
 
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bajaden said:
I realize your kidding about Utah and the Mormon thing, but for those that are worried about such things. Although Jimmer is a Mormon, he is from New York, and might be more inclined to head in that direction rather than Utah. And, while he and his brother and sister are Mormon, along with his father, his mother is Catholic. I might add, that while Utah is known for being the capital of the Mormon religion, there are plenty of Mormons in California, Idaho, Oregon, Colorado, and Washington. I think Jimmer will go, or stay, where he's happy and has the best chance for success.

Also, and this is just my gut talking. I think Jimmer is one of those guys thats inclined to make his own success, and not ride the coattails of others. He's a guy that likes challenges and thrives on them. Point being, that if he comes here, and thats still a big if, and has success, he's the type that would like to stay and finish whatever he started. As I said, just my gut talking, so take that for what its worth.
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Yup pretty much, heck I'm Morman...though I haven't been to church in quite a while. Just like with every other guy he or anyone will go where they think is best so his religion won't even matter...I mean Steve Young never went to play for the Broncos and to my knowledge Danny Ainge never played for the Jazz lol
 
Jechtsphere said:
Yup pretty much, heck I'm Morman...though I haven't been to church in quite a while. Just like with every other guy he or anyone will go where they think is best so his religion won't even matter...I mean Steve Young never went to play for the Broncos and to my knowledge Danny Ainge never played for the Jazz lol
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I take it that means you didn't sign with Utah either. :)
 
MassachusettsKingsFan said:
I came across this the other day and wanted to post it here. Tyreke Evans first workout with the Kings. Look at all those jumpers go right in.

Obviously he has struggled with his jumper in the NBA .. Just another reason why its fair to be skeptical of these workouts, good or bad. If Evans can hit a majority of his jumpers in a workout, then a guy like Jimmer, Knight, or whoever should be able to hit them aswell.
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There is one huge difference. Evans was a terrible 3 pt shooter at Memphis. so you had that past history to go on. Fredette on the other hand was an outstanding shooter from the three at BYU. Knight also shot the ball well. Common sense alone tells you that no one doubts Knight or Fredette's abiltiy to shoot the ball, and by the same token, no one was going to overlook Evans inability to consistently hit the outside shot, based on a team workout.

So yes, you take what you see with a grain of salt. Motiejunas, who has a rep as a good shooter, just shot the ball horribly at Eurocamp. Does that now make him a bad shooter, or did he just have one of those days? I think the latter.
 
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Jimmer is the most prolific scorer and shooter in this entire draft PERIOD. His potential downfalls are his downfalls, but one thing the guy can do is make shots in a variety of ways. Him getting his shot off against bigger players has never been an issue which really is the benchmark for shooters translating to the NBA.
 
k....So I finally checked out some Jimmer clips on youtube.


Any room on the bandwagon for me? :p
 
MassachusettsKingsFan said:
I came across this the other day and wanted to post it here. Tyreke Evans first workout with the Kings. Look at all those jumpers go right in.

Obviously he has struggled with his jumper in the NBA .. Just another reason why its fair to be skeptical of these workouts, good or bad. If Evans can hit a majority of his jumpers in a workout, then a guy like Jimmer, Knight, or whoever should be able to hit them aswell.
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Tyreke can hit open jumpshots. But in games it's much different with a defender (or often in Tyreke's case defenderS) coming at you and you don't have all the time in the world.
 
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bajaden said:
There is one huge difference. Evans was a terrible 3 pt shooter at Memphis. so you had that past history to go on. Fredette on the other hand was an outstanding shooter from the three at BYU. Knight also shot the ball well. Common sense alone tells you that no one doubts Knight or Fredette's abiltiy to shoot the ball, and by the same token, no one was going to overlook Evans inability to consistently hit the outside shot, based on a team workout.

So yes, you take what you see with a grain of salt. Motiejunas, who has a rep as a good shooter, just shot the ball horribly at Eurocamp. Does that now make him a bad shooter, or did he just have one of those days? I think the latter.
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Another thing to look at is the release and shot mechanics. Even if both Evans and Jimmer made the same number of shots, you would clearly pick Jimmer when asked who has the better jumpshot.
 
I wonder if the Kings will get to attend the upcoming Utah workout where Jimmer will go up against Walker. Knight is reportedly still trying to decide whether to attend that workout.
 
ElRey said:
I wonder if the Kings will get to attend the upcoming Utah workout where Jimmer will go up against Walker. Knight is reportedly still trying to decide whether to attend that workout.
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No. That's a private team workout. They wouldn't want another team to see who they are leaning towards.. esp with them hoping Jimmer drops to the 12th pick.

I do really hope the Jazz put out some vid spots of it though. And hopefully we hear a report on how each did..
 
Leonard workout video is up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6F03NAv-rg


Believe in general they try to make players look good in these workout videos, since everybody in these videos make their shots. Noticed they only showed one clip ( it was Leonard at the end) of the competitive workout. Was it really that bad among this group?
 
They only show the makes but if you listen sometimes you can hear the coaches calling out 3/4 5/6 etc saying how many they've hit so you get a clue.
 
I would have liked to see more of Leonard. Funny thing about this guy is even when there is video of him theres not much video of him.
 
Leonard is Udonis Haslem 2.0, I'm not really impressed. I do think we need a wing defender but not for the 7th pick!
 
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