hammystyle
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I'm sure he'll have some rough patches but who's gonna really care overall when he ends the season averaging 20 and 8?
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I'm sure he'll have some rough patches but who's gonna really care overall when he ends the season averaging 20 and 8?
RichieInRocklin
G-League
How did Parakhouski look? I couldn't watch it, but his stat sheet looked pretty good. I havn't had the opportunity to watch him yet.
Question this is a huge thread I dont know wheree I could find a potential list of bigs that could be avaliable AFTER say all the big time big men are taken in this draft.
I ask this because I see more and more of this Evan Turner guy every day and he just looks SOLID as hell, the skills, toughness just a guy I'd love to get into town. If they are a lucky enough to get him I'd like to know who could be a good get in the 2nd round to help our front court.
I ask this because I see more and more of this Evan Turner guy every day and he just looks SOLID as hell, the skills, toughness just a guy I'd love to get into town. If they are a lucky enough to get him I'd like to know who could be a good get in the 2nd round to help our front court.
Well, there are a few guys we could take a shot at - but keep in mind that basically all of them are going to have question marks surrounding them.
Art Parakhouski - has been mentioned above as an under-the-radar guy who may be available.
Jarvis Varnado - basically an undersized shot-blocker type without any offense, and may be gone anyway.
Dexter Pittman - big man who has skills but struggles with weight issues and conditioning
Charles Garcia - athletic with decent size, but not a smart basketball player, not a good defender
Jerome Jordan - Seven footer with offensive post game but not much defense, may be the best gamble of the bunch
But there's not a long history of being able to find what we want in the second round. I did a quick look to find the subjectively best big men to come out of the second round or go undrafted in the past 15 years and found 15 I liked:
Undersized with offense:
Boozer
Millsap
Landry
Haslem
Blair
Undersized with no offense:
Ben Wallace
Softie:
Brad Miller
Okur
Foreign:
Marc Gasol
Varejao
Scola
Oberto
Question marks:
Andray Blatche
Bench guys:
Glen Davis
Chris Andersen
And there's about one guy of that quality available after the first round in each year. So you have to kind of get lucky and find him, and even then a lot of these guys have limitations. Usually there's a reason they're not taken in the first round. If we were to nab Evan Turner, we'd most likely be waiting for free agency or next year's draft to find big man help.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
A couple of other guys that either will be second round picks or, could be second round picks because I think right now their on the bubble as first round picks.
Number one is Soloman Alabi. Most likely a first round pick, but he's definitely sliding. Bad showings at some of the team visits could push him into the second round. I put Parakhouski in that same area. His stock could either go up or down depending on how he shows at the team visits. By the way, Winthrop decided that they wern't going to let Parakhouski beat them this game like he did the two previous matchups. They double and triple teamed him the entire game. Sometimes even when he didn't have the ball. As a result he didn't have much of an offensive presence in the game. However he still pulled down around 18 boards and blocked a couple of shots.
Some other guys the could be in the second round are:
Renardo Sidney: A 6'9" PF that was suspossed to play this year for Mississippi St. He caught up in some recuiting violations and never got the go ahead to play. I honestly don't know what his situation is. He could try and play in college next year, or he could throw his name into the pool. Hard to say anything about him other than he was highly touted coming out of highschool, but with some issues.
Keith Benson: A 6'11" C/PF.. Tall and skinney but very athletic. A very good defensive player at the level he's playing at. Has the potential to put on more weight (muscle) and will need to in order to play at the next level. He definitely has potential, but isn't ready to play significant minutes in the NBA.
Arnett Moultrie: 6'10" PF.. Plays for UTEP and is part of the reason their having such a good season. He doesn't get a lot of press but I like the kid and I think he has a future in the NBA. Definitely a second round pick if he declares. Good chance he'll stay in school though, and would probably be a first round pick next year.
Michael Washington: 6'10" PF.. A guy I had high hopes for coming into this season, but who has been a disappointment so far. Still he would be a bad gamble in the second round. He's athletic and has potential, but also needs to add some muscle..
Arinze Onuaku: 6'10" C/PF.. A very physcial 275 pound player. He's another one that doesn't get much press on a very good Syracuse team. He has quietly gotten better as the year has progressed. He's gotten more aggressive, which I thought was lacking at the beginning of the year. Especially for a man of his size. Of late he's been banging bodies all over the floor and playing with fire in his eye's. He's somewhat limited athelticly, but he's hardly a plodder. He's very strong and if nothing else he'll give you good man defense and some tough rebounding. His offense is mostly putbacks, but he'll surprise you with a little jump hook and some advanced post moves from time to time. He could be better than most would think at the next level.
Andrew Oqilvy: A 7'0" C.. Not one of my favorite players, but he'll definitely be there in the second round. He's a pretty skilled player who plays tougher than he's given credit for. However he's athleticly challenged and his long range potential is limited. Right now I would call him a poor mans Brad Miller..
I'll close by saying that I really, really, really don't like Jerome Jordan. I have faithfully watched him play 5 times this year, and to say that I was underwhelmed would be an understatement. Not only would I not waste a second round pick on him, I wouldn't even invite him to camp if he were to undrafted. Thats how much I think of him. He's a total waste of being seven feet tall. I have one more game recorded of him to watch. If anything happens in that game to change my mind I'll let you know.
The only guy I've watched alot of on that list is Pittman. He has dropped alot of pounds and he's athletic for a big, but he's never screamed NBA big to me. Ive heard alot about Vernado and his shot blocking ability as well.
It's gonna be a interesting night this year we haven't been in the position of drafting to add to build the team in awhile. lately it's been drafting to add to a rotting house haha.
It's gonna be a interesting night this year we haven't been in the position of drafting to add to build the team in awhile. lately it's been drafting to add to a rotting house haha.
I really like that guy he's one of the reasons why my brackets are gonna all mostly end with a Orange National title. He definately comes off as a NBA type big to me
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I left out one other prospect.
Omar Samhan: A 6'11" C.. Plays on a very good St. Mary's team. He's one of those guys thats hard to project. He's certainly not an athletic specimen. He doesn't run that fast or jump that high. His lateral movement is nothing to write home about. But he just goes out every game and gets his 20 something points and pulls down his 12 or 13 boards and blocks a couple of shots. One thing that he is, is tough. He uses his 265 pound body very well in man defense and is good at establishing his own position on offense. Offensively he's not bad. He has a lot of different post moves he uses so you have to guard him, and in the conference he plays in he's doubled a lot. If you watch him play its hard not to like him. You have to keep reminding yourself that he just doesn't have the potential the others have. I think he'll get drafted and I wouldn't bet against him.
Omar Samhan: A 6'11" C.. Plays on a very good St. Mary's team. He's one of those guys thats hard to project. He's certainly not an athletic specimen. He doesn't run that fast or jump that high. His lateral movement is nothing to write home about. But he just goes out every game and gets his 20 something points and pulls down his 12 or 13 boards and blocks a couple of shots. One thing that he is, is tough. He uses his 265 pound body very well in man defense and is good at establishing his own position on offense. Offensively he's not bad. He has a lot of different post moves he uses so you have to guard him, and in the conference he plays in he's doubled a lot. If you watch him play its hard not to like him. You have to keep reminding yourself that he just doesn't have the potential the others have. I think he'll get drafted and I wouldn't bet against him.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
So, if we don't get one of the elite 5? (whatever the cutoff is), my belief is that Petrie does go for a project center. After Cousins, who do you think the best project center. I use the word "project" because you'd have to draft him on his projected ability three to five years from now.
Sidney scares me. Badly. He seems to have issues everywhere - starting with a family structure who is trying to do the get-rich-quick thing off of him. Actively looking for Reggie-Bush-type under the table deals and such, which is the whole reason he's ineligible. Imagine Tyreke Evans' family, except focused on personal greed instead of making Sidney the best player/person he can be. Sidney also appears to have a ridiculous sense of entitlement - doesn't work hard at all, big attitude issues. From what I've simply read around the internet, I wouldn't even give him a camp invite, and I wouldn't be surprised if 30 GMs didn't agree. Let him go to Europe and be somebody else's problem.
That's surprising. I haven't seen him play, but none of the reports I've read are nearly as down on Jordan as that. If I get a chance I'll check him out, and keep your assessment in mind.
=LarryLegend=
Starter
I like this kid.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Have you seen him play, Vlade? I haven't. Just read a blurb on him. Do you think he is the most athletic of the project centers?
Vlade4GM
All-Star
I've only seen one game of his, against Memphis, he had a very good game. I'd say he's easily the most athletic big I've seen all year. His frame and athleticism looks very KG-like, explosive and smooth. He needs to add strength though, which doesn't look like it should be that hard for him but I doubt he'll ever be real big. Offensively, he pretty much just hung around the perimeter. He's primarily just a face up guy with a decent jumper that has some potential. Think Marcus Camby in terms of style of play.
SacTownKid
Hall of Famer
I've seen Whiteside play a couple of times and to be honest, I wasn't all that impressed. I was shocked at how skinny he is. I'm talking stick figure and he gets pushed around fairly easily. He's very, very long though, still gets overpowered too easily.
Big fan of Onuaku as well, but he's probably a "fringe" NBA player on his best day. Probably better off just keeping Dorsey over any big possibly available in the 2nd round not named Luke Harangody or Trevor Booker.
Oh, BTW, do we for sure have this years pick after the Wiz trade? If it's protected does anyone know the protection on it?
Big fan of Onuaku as well, but he's probably a "fringe" NBA player on his best day. Probably better off just keeping Dorsey over any big possibly available in the 2nd round not named Luke Harangody or Trevor Booker.
Oh, BTW, do we for sure have this years pick after the Wiz trade? If it's protected does anyone know the protection on it?
I haven't seen an actual report on the protection, but I think the assumption is that it's unlikely to be conveyed to the Wizards.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I would agree on Whiteside and I would add Udoh. They're both similar looking players with Udoh having the edge skill wise at the moment, and Whiteside having the edge athleticly. Both players need to add muscle, especially Whiteside. Both have fairly wide shoulders and nice frames, so adding weight shouldn't be a problem.
If I had to choose between the two. Short term I would take Udoh as being more NBA ready. Long term I would go with Whiteside, who has the best potential as far as athleticism goes. This by no means that Udoh is a bad athlete. Quite the contrary, I think he's an above average athelete. Another long range project would be Keith Benson from Oakland. Another good athlete but raw.
Another guy that could help immediately in the second round is Charles Garcia. He's skilled offensively and is a good rebounder at his current level. He's only disappointing on the defensive side. He also appears to shy away from contact at times. Not sure if thats reality or just a matter of my perception. But thats the feel I get at times. Anyway, he has talent, and has the length and athleticism to be a good defender.
One last night on Parakhouski last night. Although he didn't score much, I was surprised by his athleticism. He's a better athlete than I thought. And his lateral movement is pretty good. I'll be interested to see how he fares at the combine.
MassachusettsKingsFan
All-Star
If we play ourself into the 5-7 range, that would be kind of dissapointing.
Assuming the top five is Wall, Turner, Cousins, Favors, Aldrich ( at least that would be my top 5 right now, not sure on the order yet ) than I suppose I would go with Johnson. If Whiteside looks good in workouts I wouldnt be totally against drafting him either. Then one more long reach would be Montiejunas. I underdstand the need for a defensive big. I get that, but IF we think Montiejunas can be the next Dirk ( I'd even settle for Bargnani ) than I could see us picking him.
Especially if we get screwed and have the 7th pick. That would be heartbreaking. Wall, Turner, Cousins, Favors, Aldrich, and Johnson all gone. Almost anyone we take after those guys is going to be a gamble. The pick would be based on potential, so unless we trade it I would be fine going for broke with someone like Montiejunas. I suppose Monroe would be in play here too.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Here's mine:
1. Turner
2. Wall
3. Cousins
4. Favors
5. Johnson
6. Whiteside
7. Aldrich
8. Udoh
9. Monroe
10. Damion James
11. Al-Farouq Aminu
12. Ed Davis
This is not the order I necessarily think they'll go in, just the players I like. I don't know if any of you saw the Texas/Baylor game today, but Udoh had a very good game. He only had 8 points and 6 boards, but he also had 6 assists and was instrumental in just about every facet of the game. Not to mention he shut down Pittman and held him to 4 points and I think 2 boards. He played very unselfishly setting nice screens and making some great passes. He's able to put the ball on the floor without giving anyone a heart attack. The stadium was full of NBA scouts. Even Pat Riley was there. I suspect Udoh's stock will start rising with games like this one.
roasthawg
Starter
My first choice is Cousins... not saying I'd take him #1 overall if we had that pick but he's the best fit for this team imo. A true center with a ton of talent and size that can man the middle for years to come with Reke on the perimeter. Kobe and Wade won with Shaq and while Cousins obviously is no Shaq in his prime he could be a Shaq with the Heat type of bigman for us.
Kingster
Hall of Famer
Vlade's case for not being interested in anybody below 6 is made extremely strong by your pick of Aldrich at #7. We sure as hell better get in the top 6!
Vlade's case for not being interested in anybody below 6 is made extremely strong by your pick of Aldrich at #7. We sure as hell better get in the top 6!
Wait a sec? I watch a ton of Kansas games and since when is Aldrich a bad player? This team could use his defense, rebounding, shotblocking, and length. Not to mention everyone says he's a crappy athlete who can't dunk and even though he's not a great athlete that's not really true either.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
I thiink Aldrich will be a better pro than he was a college player. He plays within the system at kansas. And apparently in that system all they want from him is defense and rebounding. I think he's a much better athlete than he gets credit for. Most of my questions surround confirmation of his true height and athleticism. Which should be answered at the combine.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Well, Kingster. I tried to get a rise out of you by saying that Udoh shut down Pittman, but you didn't bite. Actually I think Pittman only played 12 or 13 minutes in the whole game. And it wasn't because of foul trouble. The pace of the game was too fast for him and he just wasn't effective out there. If you want to get Pittman out of the game, just push the ball everytime down the floor. Udoh did have a nice game. He also plays withing the system of Baylor. But if you watch him play a lot, you'll see flashes of what he's capable of. He's a good passer and handles the ball pretty darn good for a big. He has a decent post game and a very good jumpshot from 15 feet. He's very unselfish. I think he could easily score 20 plus points a game if he decided to do so. He's a good, but not great rebounder. However, I think some added muscle would help in this area. Defensively he's good, but could be great. He's already a good shotblocker, and once again, with some added muscle could be a very good man defender.
He would be considered a reach in the top ten. But with our needs I would make that reach if we had to over drafting Aminu or even Monroe. Monroe is a more skilled player right now. But I think Udoh will be a superior defensiver player in time, and hold his own on offense. Once again, I want to see the results from the combine. I do think Udoh's position in the NBA is PF.
He would be considered a reach in the top ten. But with our needs I would make that reach if we had to over drafting Aminu or even Monroe. Monroe is a more skilled player right now. But I think Udoh will be a superior defensiver player in time, and hold his own on offense. Once again, I want to see the results from the combine. I do think Udoh's position in the NBA is PF.
Got to sit down and watch this game and I was very impressed with Udoh. I hadn't seen him play before just read about him. I was expecting his offense to be a disaster but was truly surprised. He's not a polished offensive player by any means but he did a great job. He played within himself, made some solid passes and showed better vision than advertised, he knocked down an elbow jumper and the form looked solid on the shot, grabbed an offenseive board and dribbled the ball to the key to clear without it looking like a disaster. Just played smart offensively like a guy who knows what he can and can't do.
Defensively he looks as advertised. Pittman wasn't in much because the pace was fast but he was definitely the anchor of the defense. Solid rebounder solid defender. I do think he needs to add a bit of weight still when drafted. If theres a way to buy a pick later in the first round this is a guy we should target he really fits our needs and has room to grow.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Yeah, you saw what I saw. I really like Udoh. Besides he has an uncanny resemblence to Garnett. Not only facialy but in body type.. Unfortunately he doesn't play like him. But I do think he as a big upside. So I agree, I wish we had another first round pick. He definitely won't slide into the second round. Which I do think will happen to Pittman
