Kings 2009-2010 NBA Draft:

Aldrich's rebounding and shotblocking should both be better tools than Pittman's low post scoring. Those skills will be above average in the NBA an will play against first team NBA centers. The fact he can shoot and score on top of is what makes him such an attractive prospect. If you think Pittman's drawing a double team against NBA starting centers then good luck. I also consider the "he'll give you good D for those 20 minutes" to be wisful thinking as well.

You're basically projecting Pittman to be Eddy Curry with better defense. The difference being that Pittman is 21 years old in the Big 12 averaging 10 points and 6 rebounds, while when Eddy Curry was 21 he was averaing 15 points and 6 reboungs in the NBA.

Aldrich is a big yawn. If we had a pick that was 12 or below then fine. If that's the best you can get, that's the best you can get. But top 6 or 7? That's where I have a problem. Maybe the draft is that weak? Basically, you're describing a Jason Thompson kind of player, right? I noticed you didn't mention Aldrich's offense. So you're looking at a good garbage type player, right? If that's the best the Kings can do, then the draft is going to be a bust. I hope the argument is moot because we end up with the first or second pick in the draft.

As far as Pittman's D, he smothered the #1 pick in the draft last year, and that's with more lbs than he has now. I'll take that for 20 minutes.
 
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Aldrich is a big yawn. If we had a pick that was 12 or below then fine. If that's the best you can get, that's the best you can get. But top 6 or 7? That's where I have a problem. Maybe the draft is that weak? Basically, you're describing a Jason Thompson kind of player, right? I noticed you didn't mention Aldrich's offense. So you're looking at a good garbage type player, right? If that's the best the Kings can do, then the draft is going to be a bust. I hope the argument is moot because we end up with the first or second pick in the draft.

As far as Pittman's D, he smothered the #1 pick in the draft last year, and that's with more lbs than he has now. I'll take that for 20 minutes.


Aldrich is wayyyy better than Thompson at just about everything. JT is a better athlete, and if you said JT was a better offensive rebounder I would give it to yah, but other than that Aldrich does everything better. MUCH better defender, Smarter player, better/ more fluid offensive game. Plus hes younger, and a full size center. If JT can go at pick #16, Aldrich deffinetly has the tools to be a top 5 pick. Of course, this is all my opinion.
 
It wasn't a rhetorical question. I've noticed he has good footwork in the post. He's got a drop step that Thompson might learn in maybe 5 to 7 years.

Yeah, he's got that potential, so it's up to him and his coaching from this point on. He's got the makeup to be a Jefferson type scorer, but with better passing ability.
 
When we talk about possible rookies from Europe, Nemanja Bjelica should definitely be considered, Piksi can confirm this.
Here is his draft express page - http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nemanja-Bjelica-5510/

Many people compare this guy with Bodiroga and Toni Kukoc. He already earned his spot in Serbian national team when he was just 20 and won silver medal on European championship last year.
He can play on every position except at center, so I think Kings could definitely use him well. He can still progress a lot and that's his advantage.

Take a look at this few videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOHCbesGfYQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK6zn_5OJhg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dHnWOZfdd8
 
Aldrich is wayyyy better than Thompson at just about everything. JT is a better athlete, and if you said JT was a better offensive rebounder I would give it to yah, but other than that Aldrich does everything better. MUCH better defender, Smarter player, better/ more fluid offensive game. Plus hes younger, and a full size center. If JT can go at pick #16, Aldrich deffinetly has the tools to be a top 5 pick. Of course, this is all my opinion.
Good luck selling Aldrich to Kingster!
 
As far as Pittman's D, he smothered the #1 pick in the draft last year, and that's with more lbs than he has now. I'll take that for 20 minutes.

Griffin had an easy 20 and 10 against Pittman and Texas in the first game last year. Then yes, Pittman had 1 maybe 2 nice one on one stops in the 2nd game in the 11 minutes before Griffin got hurt. Extrapolating that out to "he'll be a good defender for the 20 minutes a game he plays in the NBA" is wishful thinking.

BTW - I like Pittman fine as a 2nd round prospect, or if we do get a late first. But you're projecting skills and abilities onto him that aren't there. Then for some reason, taking away and marginalizing Aldrich's talents. Doesn't make any sense.
 
I was able to watch Oakland play IUPUI last night for the first time and was quite impressed by Keith Benson, Oakland's 6'11" center. 17 boards, 6 blocks and 8 or 9 points (not featured in their offense, but has a pretty nice little hook shot). He was extremely quick off his feet and can jump through the roof. He's still very thin and would need to gain muscle and strength to make it in the NBA. He's not talked about very much, but, to me, looks like a better prospect than Larry Sanders who I've seen several times. May be a good second round pickup or training camp invitee.
 
I was a big Pittman fan last year and at the beginning of this year. As the season has gone on and the more I see him play, the more I see him as an end of the bencher.
If he comes to the Kings I'm afraid he might be known as "Burger King Pittman".:rolleyes:
 
I was able to watch Oakland play IUPUI last night for the first time and was quite impressed by Keith Benson, Oakland's 6'11" center. 17 boards, 6 blocks and 8 or 9 points (not featured in their offense, but has a pretty nice little hook shot). He was extremely quick off his feet and can jump through the roof. He's still very thin and would need to gain muscle and strength to make it in the NBA. He's not talked about very much, but, to me, looks like a better prospect than Larry Sanders who I've seen several times. May be a good second round pickup or training camp invitee.

Benson is a nice prospect. I've seen him play several times this year. Oakland made it into the big show, so hopefully we'll get to see him up against better competition. I don't look for Oakland to go very far in the tournament, so I hope their first matchup is a good one.

Benson needs to add weight, and my only concern is that I'm not sure he has the frame to support it, like say a Udoh or a Whiteside does. But who knows, he might become a Marcus Camby type.
 
Aldrich is a big yawn. If we had a pick that was 12 or below then fine. If that's the best you can get, that's the best you can get. But top 6 or 7? That's where I have a problem. Maybe the draft is that weak? Basically, you're describing a Jason Thompson kind of player, right? I noticed you didn't mention Aldrich's offense. So you're looking at a good garbage type player, right? If that's the best the Kings can do, then the draft is going to be a bust. I hope the argument is moot because we end up with the first or second pick in the draft.

As far as Pittman's D, he smothered the #1 pick in the draft last year, and that's with more lbs than he has now. I'll take that for 20 minutes.

Aldrich isn't my first choice, but he's the second best center in this draft, and I think this is a pretty deep draft. It may not be deep at a position of your choice, but there are some very good players in this draft. Well I guess I should wait and see who declares first, but in any event we should get a very good basketball player.

I think Aldrich will be a better NBA player than he was a college player. He's really not featured in Kansas offense very much, and its not because he doesn't have an offensive game. Kansas is just a more guard oriented team. But its funny that you bring up defense, because thats the one thing in college that Aldrich does very well. He protects the paint. He's not going to block shots the same way a Whiteside or a Udoh will, but he'll get his share of them. He's a good man defender and a smart one. He's a pretty good passer out of the double team, and yes, he does get double teamed.

He's certainly a different type of player than Cousins, who is mostly a low post player. Cousins is a more physical player, but I would say that at this moment, Aldrich is the better defensive player. I say at this moment because I'm not sure that Cousins is allowed to be as aggressive as he would like on defense.

Last night because I had nothing better to do I went back and rewatched the Kentucky/Florida game and then the end of two other games I had recorded. The Tennessee game being one of them. And I came to the conclusion that Cousins if much more aggressive on defense, especially in shotblocking, in the last 5 to 7 minutes of the game. Especially if he only has a a couple of fouls on him. He can go through an entire game without a blocked shot and then end up with 2 or 3 blocked shots in the last few minutes of the game.

He reminds me of Blake Griffin from last year, where he and his coach admitted that he was ordered to stay out of foul trouble during the game so he could stay on the floor. I think perhaps the same might be true of Cousins, because unlike Aldrich, he is the focus of the offense.

I agree that Pittman will end up being a second round pick. Its possible that someday he might become a starting center. But he's a long long way from being one right now. He's come a long way from his freshman year, so I'm not about to say its impossible. What he's accomplished so far might have seemed impossible when he was a freshman. I would love nothing more than to see him succeed. It would be one of those cinderella stories that everyone loves.

Let me say one more thing. You keep bringing up the fact that both Pittman and Cousins are risky picks. Well in theory, your right. But there's a huge difference in the type of risk were talking about. With Pittman the risk is whether he's capable of becoming good NBA player because of his physical abilities and his skill level. Not so with Cousins. There's little doubt that Cousins will succeed at the next level. The risk with him is his temper and Immaturity. If I'm going to pick between the two, I'll take the guy with the talent and deal with the other problems, over the nice guy with questionable talents.
 
Let us hope and pray mi amigo..

I have to confess I don't have the strength or energy to scroll through the entire draft thread. I know you follow college ball closely. Can you give me your opinion on Cousins V. Aldrich/Whiteside.

Thanks!
 
I have to confess I don't have the strength or energy to scroll through the entire draft thread. I know you follow college ball closely. Can you give me your opinion on Cousins V. Aldrich/Whiteside.

Thanks!

Wow! I've posted so much info on Cousins and Aldrich. As have many others. I'll just put it this way. Cousins is the best center in the draft. Aldrich is the next best center in the draft. After that its a crap shoot. I like Whiteside. He has tons of potential. He's tall and long and he's extremely athletic. Almost a freak athlete. But you would be betting on potential with him. He's someone that there's no guarantee he'll be able to contribute serious minutes from the get go.

Having said that. If Cousins and Aldrich are off the board I think you would have to seriously consider picking him. And thats saying that he even declares for the draft. Which isn't a given. For that matter, its not a given that Cousins will declare. I'd be shocked if he didn't, but one never knows for sure. Between Cousins and Aldrich, I have to go with Cousins. He's just a man amongst boys in college. Aldrich is a solid but not spectacular defensive player. Both men have good size, but the nod goes to Cousins in the size dept. Another player that I really like is Udoh who has a similar body type as Whiteside. At the moment he's more skilled than Whiteside and not quite as tall. But he's also a very good shotblocker and has more offensive skills than Whiteside. So he would have to be considered since he's more ready to step onto an NBA court. I still think I would go with Whiteside though.

Anyway, I'm not going to go into all the details of all the players. I've done it till I'm blue in the face. If you have specific questions just ask. I'm sure that someone, or I will try to answer them for you. Cervesa time.....:)
 
When we talk about possible rookies from Europe, Nemanja Bjelica should definitely be considered, Piksi can confirm this.
Here is his draft express page - http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Nemanja-Bjelica-5510/

Many people compare this guy with Bodiroga and Toni Kukoc. He already earned his spot in Serbian national team when he was just 20 and won silver medal on European championship last year.
He can play on every position except at center, so I think Kings could definitely use him well. He can still progress a lot and that's his advantage.

Take a look at this few videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOHCbesGfYQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OK6zn_5OJhg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dHnWOZfdd8


Looks like a very interesting prospect. But DraftExpress had him at Round 2, pick 21. Hope Petrie can scout this kid to verify it. The last time the Kings were a tough playoff team, we had Serbians in the roster. Maybe getting another one will immediately get us back to playoffs again. Especially if somehow we can land Cousin or any legit big in the first round.
 
Just watched the Kansas vs Texas Tech game.
I would have no qualms picking Aldrich if Cousins was already picked.
As our illustrious bajaden has said before, he's a better athlete than you think if you watch him closely. Excellent rebounder and shot blocker. Would score more if they would ever run any plays for him. He's not just another tall white guy. If they are both gone i'll leave it up to Petrie. That's what he gets paid the big bucks for.
 
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Just watched the Kansas vs Texas Tech game.
I would have no qualms picking Aldrich if Cousins was already picked.
As our illustrious bajaden has said before, he's a better athlete than you think if you watch him closely. Excellent rebounder and shot blocker. Would score more if they would ever run any plays for him. He's not just another tall white guy. If they are both gone i'll leave it up to Petrie. That's what he gets paid the big bucks for.

Yeah I checked that game too, saw that alot more of Aldrich then I admittingly ever have.I always thought he was a big stiff, but he seems to have some good hands around the rim, some nice footwork to boot. He legit seems like he has a good feel for his position that would/could translate well into the NBA game right now. I think he would be a nice pick if we had no Cousins or Turner to choose from.
 
Manny harris taking it to Evan Turners Ohio state.

Good game so far. 10 seconds left,tied, Michigan ball.


WOW HARRIS WITH THE FADE AWAY!!!
 
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Yeah I was just about to post about Turner. Great game from Harris. All I can say is that its about time. Killer for Michigan. I don't think they make the big dance without winning the conference tournament. We'll see!
 
Ok, the big match up of the giants with Marshall playing Tulsa. First off, let me say that this was the best game I've seen Jordan play all year. Maybe he read my post. Well, maybe not. But he was finally aggressive. Offensively and defensively. He ended up with 21 points on 8 out of 17 shooting, including going 5 for 5 from the line. He had 12 rebounds and 2 blocked shots. If he can continue playing like this he might be able to move himself back into the first round.

Whiteside had a decent game with 14 points on 6 out of 13 shooting, with 10 rebounds and 6 blocked shots. Anyone that watched the game would probably agree that Jordan outplayed Whiteside. But before you get too excited about that, remember that Jordan is a senior and Whiteside is a freshman. So he should be able to outplay him. Personally I don't think this game hurt Whiteside at all.
 
The Georgia Tech/North Carolina game was pretty much what I expected it to be. Two bad teams slugging it out to see which one could play worse than the other one.. Derrick Favors proved to everyone, including me, why he's a top five pick. He cruised along for a while, almost being ignored by his guards when suddenly he decided to take matters into his own hands. At that point just about everytime the ball ended up in his hands, he tried to score. And score he did going off for 18 points on just 8 shots from the floor. Hitting on 7 of those shots. While he was at it he pulled down 9 boards and for good measure he blocked 5 shots.

There was a telling moment in the second half when he pulled down a tough rebound and fought his way back up to score the ball. After the score one of Tech's guards came over to pat him on the shoulder and Favors just shoved him away. Frankly I think he's tired of being ignored in the offense.

Here are some interesting stats that will help explain why Georgia Tech is not a good team. And by the way, these stats are the norm for this team. Favors and Lawal, the two big men on the team combined for 30 points on 16 shots. They both took 8 shots a peice. All the guards on the team combined for 27 points on 36 shots. I think you can see the disparity. If I'm Derrick Favors there is no way in hell I would stay for another year at Tech.

Absolutely great game by Favors. Oh, and I forgot to add that Tyler Zeller of North Carolina had a very good game and was the only bright spot for NC. He's a pretty good player 7 foot tall and pretty darn athletic. Plus he likes to play inside. He had 17 points and 10 boards.
 
Last but not least we have the Baylor/Texas matchup. Wow, how far Texas has fallen. From number one in the country to not even being ranked. They'll probably still make the tournament because of their RPI numbers, but they just look like a team in total disaray. Pittman had a decent game. Not a great game but a hell of improvment over the last time these two teams met. He ended up 14 points and 6 boards. Once again his minutes were less than one would have wanted because of the pace of the game and personal fouls. Damion James once again just did what Damion James does game in and game out. He scored 18 points and grabbed 12 boards. As I've said before, at times you would swear that there are two of him on the floor.

It got a little testy in the first half when Tweety Carter and James started jawing at one another. Poor Lacdarius Dunn, one of Baylors best scorers got totally screwed when he jumped in and tried to break it up by pushing both players away from one another. For some reason the ref's gave him a double technical, which when added to his one foul he already had, gave him three fouls and sent him to the bench for the rest of the half.

Despite only playing 22 minutes of the game Dunn managed to come out with a vengence and score almost all of his 19 points in the second half. He also grabbed 9 rebounds. Dunn is a very good player and is very athletic. He's a bit undersized for a SG at 6'4", but I think he can play in the NBA. Tweety Carter, the diminutive point guard for Baylor dumped in 20 points also.

Which brings me to Udoh. He certainly did nothing to hurt his stock. He contributed 25 points on 9 of 14 shooting while grabbing 8 boards. To really appreciate Udoh you have to see him play. He's not just a one dimensional player. He plays both sides of the ball. He can play inside or can kill with his mid-range game. He's a good passer and a pretty good ballhandler for a big man. I don't see him as a center, but certainly a PF. He could use a little more bulk on him, but he has a terrific frame with very wide shoulders. He's a very good athlete. He made at least two great outlet passes the full length of the floor for baskets. He's very very good at feeling the double team and passing to the open man. As you can see, I like him a lot..

Baylor is a team to watch in the tournament. They have very good point guard leadership in Carter. They can beat you from the outside and they can beat you from the inside. Plus Baylor is a very good defensive team. Plus they're peaking right now. Their only weakness is depth. They normally use a seven man rotation. If you can get them into foul trouble and force them to go deeper into their bench, then you've got an excellent chance to beat them. Otherwise, I think they can beat any team in this tournament. Their next conference matchup might be Kansas. If so that would certainly be a game worth watching...
 
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Ok, the big match up of the giants with Marshall playing Tulsa. First off, let me say that this was the best game I've seen Jordan play all year. Maybe he read my post. Well, maybe not. But he was finally aggressive. Offensively and defensively. He ended up with 21 points on 8 out of 17 shooting, including going 5 for 5 from the line. He had 12 rebounds and 2 blocked shots. If he can continue playing like this he might be able to move himself back into the first round.

Whiteside had a decent game with 14 points on 6 out of 13 shooting, with 10 rebounds and 6 blocked shots. Anyone that watched the game would probably agree that Jordan outplayed Whiteside. But before you get too excited about that, remember that Jordan is a senior and Whiteside is a freshman. So he should be able to outplay him. Personally I don't think this game hurt Whiteside at all.

Yeah, Whiteside looked pretty good considering what we already know about him. Lower body strength is an obvious area that he needs to improve on, but he seems to have the frame to add some bulk, so if he works hard that should be a correctable problem.

I thought he showed some decent footwork when he was posting up, but when he faced up and tried to drive to the basket...that wasn't pretty. He didn't show great form on his jump hooks, but I think his lack of strength was causing him to get off balance. He showed a good enough touch that those shots were falling though. He might have some more post scoring potential than you'd think. His J wasn't falling, but he shouldn't be taking jumpers quite that deep. I've said a few times already but I can see him as a Camby type on offense, spot up shooter, scoring on dunks/put backs, occasionally posting up.

He seems to have pretty good hands since he gets rebounds and isn't always in the best position. The way he hangs out on the perimeter offensively (which probably has a lot to do with his lack of strength) probably hurts his chances at a lot of offensive rebounds. He doesn't look like he's unwilling to box out, but he may be reluctant considering his lack of strength, and since he has great length it may be an easier choice for him to reach over his opponents instead. That needs to be corrected.

He's such an awesome shot blocker, has great timing, he keeps the ball in bounds, and finds angles to block shots that you'd never think would be available. The thing that annoyed me about him defensively though, was that he'd fly up trying to make impossible blocks and it took him way out of position. He needs to learn which shots are worth going after, and which aren't.

His length had a pretty good effect on Jordan earlier in the game, it was disrupting his shot. He later realized to really attack Whiteside's strength and it made Whiteside ineffective against him man on man. They should've started to double team Jordan.
 
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Favors was an absolute beast defensively. I think he has serious 1st team all-defense potential.

Favors definitely needs to improve on his ball handling and jump shooting, but I think that when you consider how young he is, he's not really behind the curve in his development. He's got a pretty good touch around the basket, very good strength (which is pretty impressive considering where he was a year ago), and decent form on his jumper. He has a pretty good foundation to improve his offensive game, now it may never happen but it's there to improve on if he works hard and is actually given a chance. Man, their backcourt has got to be the most retarded in history. I used to like Shumpert's potential until this year I realized how much of a ball pounding chucker he is.

I don't know if Favors is really a McDyess type athlete though. He's got good quickness and speed, and he's a quick leaper, but I don't know if I'd put him in the same category as McDyess or Stoudemire. The combine is going to be interesting for Favors.
 
Favors was an absolute beast defensively. I think he has serious 1st team all-defense potential.

Favors definitely needs to improve on his ball handling and jump shooting, but I think that when you consider how young he is, he's not really behind the curve in his development. He's got a pretty good touch around the basket, very good strength (which is pretty impressive considering where he was a year ago), and decent form on his jumper. He has a pretty good foundation to improve his offensive game, now it may never happen but it's there to improve on if he works hard and is actually given a chance. Man, their backcourt has got to be the most retarded in history. I used to like Shumpert's potential until this year I realized how much of a ball pounding chucker he is.

I don't know if Favors is really a McDyess type athlete though. He's got good quickness and speed, and he's a quick leaper, but I don't know if I'd put him in the same category as McDyess or Stoudemire. The combine is going to be interesting for Favors.


Pretty good analogy. I do agree that Favors midrange game needs work, but his post game is pretty smooth. He's a quick leaper and from what I've seen of him he has very good lateral movement. So yeah, the combine will be interesting. I suspect it will confirm that he's a very good athlete.

Did you get a chance to get a look at Udoh. He doesn't have Favor's well defined body at the moment, but he has a more rounded game than Favors does. Its a damm shame Favors couldn't have gone to a school like Baylor.
 
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