Kevin Love To Kings?

rekehavoc123

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There are some rumors flying around that Kevin Love wants a trade. Especially one that involves a winning situation. He has been linked to the Warriors and the Bulls. How much do you guys think it will take the Kings to get Love? Is it possible to put him next to Demarcus?
 
Ha, I was just going to start a thread on this under the title "it has to be asked".

My premise was this: if the Kings got lucky with the ping pong balls next week, moved into the Top 3, would you trade that for Kevin Love?

Alternately I suppose you could ask if we stayed at #7 would you trade everything in the franchise not tied down/named Cousins for Love?


Anyway, the huge huge caveats would be.

#1 -- rumor/indication has long been that Love wants to play in a major market, or at the very least for a playoff team. We are neither. now on the second though I think we could be with him, but such a risk with him able to leave in a year, and Cousins' prickly personality not necessarily inspiring stay with us loyalty.

#2 -- Love/Cousins pairing defensively has some of the same problems as Love/Pekovic. Now on both ends because of superior talent I flat think cousins works better. Already a better defender, better rim protector, more versatile offense than Pek. BUT, also not the defensive stopper like Noah that most see as Love's ideal frontcourt mate.

of course on the flipside:
#1 -- gerbil has already made one trade with Minnesota. He's proven he knows/can work with them (of course on the flipside any #7 and all the junk in the trunk deal would normally involve DWill, which obviously would not work back to the Wolves).

#2 -- Cousins Love on sheer talent/productivity might be the 2, or 2 of the 3, most raw numbers dominant bigs in the game. Despite flawed pairing they shouldn't interfere too much with each other on offense, and you would be getting explosive numbers out of your frontcourt every night.
 
I wouldn't even consider trading a top 3 pick unless Love signed on the spot no promises I want the signeture. And a top 3 pick is possibly the only way we could out bid teams like GS/Chi/and other teams.
 
He's not signing an extension here, and whatever it would take to get him from Minnesota would not be worth the risk of a one-year rental.
 
no to kevin love, the dude is not a good fit next to cuz/gay . He's a volume scorer and a poor defender. we don't need that, pass
 
The other possibility is something I was fiddling with several months ago, is getting involved in a Love to Chicago deal and trying to get back Gibson and or get our future pick unencumbered, because that thing not being available is a constant drag on potential deals for us. of course its not clear what we would do for such favors other than absorb Carlos Boozer's megacontract to get it out of the way for the Bulls.

You might be able to do something like Love to Chicago for a package which includes that encumbered pick...except in exchange for Taj Gibson we take the encumbrances off and just guarantee the pick to the Wolves next year. Frankly though, given their salary situation its hard to see how the Bulls pull off any deal with Minny without dumping Boozer's ender on the Wolves, with a lot of picks in tow.
 
Not another guy who puts up empty stats and no defence no thanks. I don't care what Love's numbers are his impact on the game is just meh at best.
 
I'd think if we were in a position to attain Love, you have to pull the trigger. However, I do not think it is possible for it to happen. Realistically, I wouldn't mind being the 3rd team to help facilitate him somewhere.
 
You could use that same rationale with Cousins
Nah Cousins impacts the game way more and when he puts his mind to it can defend fairly well, Love trying to defend is still useless and he's injury prone. Plus he bitches more than Cousins calling out teammates I would pick Cousins over Love 100 out of 100 times.

I have never in my life seen a guy put up god stats that literally has no effect on the game like Love does it's really something to behold. I would take Paul Milsap over Kevin Love.
 
First and foremost it would never happen. Kevin Love wants out of a small market team that has been mired in losing for years. He's not going to sign an extension with a team in that exact same circumstance.

But as long as we're just speaking in terms of hypotheticals - no, I don't want Kevin Love. Not at the cost it would take to acquire him or at the salary he'd command. Yeah, Rudy Gay is poised to make $19 million but the Kings dealt spare parts to get him and he's either a massive ending contract this season, renegotiated to a more reasonable figure or signing with another team. Either way, it isn't the same scenario as giving up a top 3 pick (or a 7th pick and more) to get a guy who will make $20 million a year for four years and who hasn't been good enough to carry his team into the playoffs and who I see as a poor fit next to Cousins.

Yes, the argument can be made that talent is more important than fit but I disagree. And to see why he's a poor fit, try this - let's say the Kings dealt Cousins for Love. What would the team need to do to build around him? Well, they'd need a defensive anchor to pair with him in the front court and protect the paint/rim. They'd need a slashing scorer to compliment his versatile offensive game. And they'd need 3&D guys to make teams pay for focusing on Love or doubling him. Essentially you'd need all the pieces you'd want to build around Cousins. They are different players but share a lot of strengths & weaknesses. And despite Love having better numbers, I'd take DeMarcus over him every time.
 
My biggest issue with a potential Love trade is the idea that we could potentially get better pieces / better fits if we are willing to give up whatever massive load of talent love will cost.

If we are going to go out and deal for a guy who doesn't want to be here, and won't extend, I'd prefer we go get Rondo. He's cheaper, and the odds of a Cousins / Rondo / Gay combo working, in my opinion, is more likely than Cousins / Love / Gay. Not saying Rondo is a better player, but the fit / cost makes more sense to me. Go out and add a defensive minded 4 and you have a legit team, not just a cluster of talent. And because of Rondo's relationship with Gay, I think he'd be a lot easier to convince to stay than Love would.
 
I am afraid the guy is a jerk, always has been and always will be. Not in the way that Cousins is supposedly a bad guy, but in the way that he hated his home state and thought it was beneath him (publicly), there's just no way he'd ever accept playing in Sacramento. Also the fact that he supposedly wants to win but has NY near or at the top of his list is a red flag.
 
I think you are all overthinking the "bad attitude" portion of Love. You don't want a player who complains? Has a bad attitude? We as a forum worship the king (pun not intended) of bad media attitude in Cousins. The rest of the NBA world is still convinced DeMarcus is a monster. Perhaps there needs to be some due diligence on Kevin Love? Love is an excellent player and I think his complaints are warranted. I understand fans will always put their own players on a pedestal, but if you guys were the GMs a decade ago, I bet you would have scoffed at the idea of trading for Webber. Is Love a glorified Zach Randolph? Possibly, but he wouldn't exactly be a benchwarmer on our team, and he would be leaps and bounds better than any player we pick at #7-9.
 
You take Love every day of the week if you could get a good deal on him. Not sure why all the hate.. And Milsap over Love? Crazy talk...

Stat stuffer or not the guy can rebound the ball, and he can shoot the ball. Defensively he would not work with Cousins the way we envision Cousins pairing should but you got to take the guy on talent alone. He's one of the top PFs in the game.

I would want him re-signed if we're giving a 3rd pick for him.
 
You take Love every day of the week if you could get a good deal on him. Not sure why all the hate.. And Milsap over Love? Crazy talk...

Stat stuffer or not the guy can rebound the ball, and he can shoot the ball. Defensively he would not work with Cousins the way we envision Cousins pairing should but you got to take the guy on talent alone. He's one of the top PFs in the game.

I would want him re-signed if we're giving a 3rd pick for him.

I don't hate Kevin Love or his game. But if we're building around DeMarcus and potentially trading away a top 3 pick (assuming some luck in the lottery for once) I'd simply rather see a player that is a better fit.

Because making that deal means we assume that Cousins/Love is a combo on par with Westbrook/Durant, Parker/Duncan, etc. The type of duo that can carry a team and make them contenders. I like Love but I definitely don't think he's the best player on a playoff team. And I don't think he's the second best player on a championship level team.

Now if the Rockets had the assets to trade to put Love alongside Howard and Harden I think you'd be in business assuming the other two starters are strong defenders that can shoot somewhat.

To a lesser extent I think the Warriors could trade Harrison Barnes, David Lee and a draft pick for Love and have it probably be an upgrade. I say probably because it would hurt their bench depth and I think they'd miss Lee's hustle and fight.

But I think the best fit for Love would be the Lakers. Because he'd eat up all the cap room and be a ho-hum fit with Kobe Bryant who may be about to go full on "end of the career but doesn't accept it Patrick Ewing" next season meaning the Lakers would have dealt their lottery pick and be another not quite good enough to make the playoffs, not quite bad enough to get a top pick team. And I'd like to watch that.
 
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If Love demands that he doesn't want to stay, then they better get whatever they can get for him. I personally see him going to LA when all is said and done.
 
Way better off going after Al Horford who will actually help you win instead of putting up cool numbers.
 
I would trade DMC for Love. Love is a better player and has fewer behavior problems than DMC.

Do a quick per-36 comparison of their stats this year and get back to me. While Love may have a more developed perimeter game, he's also probably worse at defense than Mikki Moore (and I mean Mikki Moore right now, not even Mikki Moore during his one good-ish year with the Nets).
 
I guess I could do a per 36 comparison, but it kind of defeats one of the reasons why Love is a better player than DMC. DMC gets himself into foul trouble far more often than Love and has to sit on the bench much more because of it.

Silly fouls hurt the team - as do silly TO's. This is also something that DMC does much more than Love. Love is also a better passer and gets more assists because of it. Love is a better free throw shooter.

DMC has bigger behavioral issues than Love.
 
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