Keep Brad trade Bibby

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crutonimo

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We all know our core defense is soft...but what if the Kings moved Bibby instead of Brad...Just an idea...probably not a popular one..

Kings send out: Bibby (11.5m), KT (6.7m), Garcia (1.1m), Vitaly P (3.3)
Kings get: Dalembert (8.8m), Korver (4m), Marcus Banks (4m), Jaric (5.5m)

Minnesota sends out: Ricky Davis (6m), Mark Blount (6m), Marcus Banks (4m) , Jaric (5.5m), 1st round pick
Minnesota gets: AI (16m), KT (6.7m), Garcia (1.1m)

Philadelphia sends out: AI (16), Dalembert (8.8m), Korver (4m)
Philadelphia gets: Bibby (11.5m), Ricky Davis (6m), Mark Blount (6m), Vitaly P (3.3), Minnesotas 1st round

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Why the Kings do it: The Kings improve their defense at the 1 & the 5, and they get Korver to spread the court.

Why Minnesota does it: No Brainer here, they get AI to make a run with KG

Why Philadelphia does it: Philly needs a change.. they swap AI for Bibby, and get out of Dalembert big contract, Ricky Davis picks up AI's scoring

Im sure this trade could be tweaked a little...any thoughts??
 
Dalembert hasn't impressed me this year, the Detroit series he played Amazing in (ALA Bonzi this year) but last year I hope was a joke b/c we can't afford the risk.
 
New look Kings line-up

Kings new line-up

PG-Banks/Jaric
SG-Bonzi/KMart
SF-Artest/Korver
PF-SAR/Brad
C-Brad/Dalembert


Spend our MLE on the best big man we can get..
 
Regardless, PG's have trouble guarding other PG's. Parker can't guard Bibby one on one. The only really good PG defender is Billups IMO. Let's say we do this trade, it's still going to be a layup drill because Brad cannot jump. He doesn't strike fear in anyone coming down the lane. Yes, Bibby is a bad defender but there are many poor defending PG's in this league. The only difference between Bibby and them is that they have a big man that can make up for it.
 
Dalembert

Granted....Parker will penetrate at will against most opposing PG's...But atleast we'll have Dalembert clogging the lane and altering shots...
 
Dalembert had an injury or two that limited him and missed a bunch of games. Probably had pressure from the contract as well, I think he'll be better next season.
 
I hate this idea. We're giving up Bibby, who more often than not steps his game UP in critical junctures, and keeping Brad, who has disappeared in a puff of smoke so often he could be called Houdini?
 
Im pretty sure this trade would work money-wise....Dalembert is a BYC player, and so is Korver...but it expires July 1st, 2006...so the trade would be 'un-official' until then if it happened..

http://www.realgm.com/src_bycplayers.php

Giving up Bibby would be painful...he has been our most clutch player...But giving up Webber was painful too....

In return for giving up Bibby the Kings get....a talented shot blocking center in Dalembert...and a young pg with upside Banks, a back up point in Jaric...and Korver to pick up the slack from losing Bibbys perimeter threat...and we get out of KT's contract...
 
Think about what happened to our offense when Bibby was on the bench. It was . . . bad to say the least. Point Guards are more important than we realize sometimes. Bibby has weaknesess. No doubts about it. His defense is poor. However, he has shown enough flashes of it to warrent the belief that he can still improve. I do not expect a HUGE change from a veteran players, but he can get better.

He does a great job of directing the team on the floor. He is very smart when it comes to the game. More often than not, he is going to make the right decision. I think that it is vital that we keep him.

I, by nature, get too attached to players and generally do not like the idea of trades - esp starters. However, my opinion on keeping Bibby is based more on skills. I would dislike trading Brad, but think that we probably should. I believe that Brad's spot is our biggest weakness. If we have to trade a starter, it should be Brad, not Mike.
 
VF21 said:
I hate this idea. We're giving up Bibby, who more often than not steps his game UP in critical junctures, and keeping Brad, who has disappeared in a puff of smoke so often he could be called Houdini?
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I like your analogy VF.
 
Wow are you serious? You want to trade one of the best PG's in the nba for a bunch of unprovened talented players. Nah i say we trade Brad instead of BIbby. Bibby would of not made Parker look like that good if he had a center that is capable of blocking shots/defense.
 
I don't like this deal at all, not to mention its a bit far-fetched. All we get are role players while losing a player who is nearly an all-star and another promising rookie. Banks is not starting material yet and may never be although he is a very nice backup. Dalembert is intriguing yet still not ready for prime time and we would still be thin up front.

I'm not sure this is a good deal for the other teams either.
 
While not for a whole season, Banks came into Minny immediately and showed he could start, after a week or two, getting the job and doing it well.
 
He put up solid but unspectacular numbers on a bad team. I guess there are two ways of looking at that but I'd hate to gamble a proven commodity and potential and only get potential in return. It would be worse than the Webber deal imo which at least had its pros and cons.
 
Worse than the Webber trade?? seriously??

Bibby is good..but hes a 28 yr old pg who shoots too much and plays bad defense..In order to resign Bonzi, and eventually Artest the Kings will need some salary cap relief...moving Mike and KT accomplishes this.

Dont underestimate Banks, he is good...sprinkle in some line-ups with Artest or KMart handling the ball...and with Jaric off the bench I think the Kings PG situation is just fine...

Bibby WAS our leader...now it is Artest...Bibby has stepped up in the past, but the Kings no longer will need to rely on Bibby to generate all of the offense..

With Dalembert on the team Brads limitations will be less obvious....Brad wont have to be the rebounder we all want..he can just be Brad Miller, insanely talented 7 footer with bad knees..
 
crutonimo said:
Worse than the Webber trade?? seriously??

Bibby is good..but hes a 28 yr old pg who shoots too much and plays bad defense..In order to resign Bonzi, and eventually Artest the Kings will need some salary cap relief...moving Mike and KT accomplishes this.

Dont underestimate Banks, he is good...sprinkle in some line-ups with Artest or KMart handling the ball...and with Jaric off the bench I think the Kings PG situation is just fine...

Bibby WAS our leader...now it is Artest...Bibby has stepped up in the past, but the Kings no longer will need to rely on Bibby to generate all of the offense..

With Dalembert on the team Brads limitations will be less obvious....Brad wont have to be the rebounder we all want..he can just be Brad Miller, insanely talented 7 footer with bad knees..
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Being on a bad team does not make Banks any good. I guarantee you that once Banks gets beat consistently and Brad is doing the same thing he is doing now you will be trying to find a way to move him. The thing is, this isn't the first time that Brad has disappeared in the playoffs. It seems like the past three years it has happened. Mike has been trying harder on D and there is no doubt in my mind with Artest here for a full season and a full training camp under their belts he will improve. Brad just doesn't have the ath;etic abiity to be a good defender. He can't jump and he is not stroing enough to handle the big men in the west. This is proven time and time again.
 
VF21 said:
I hate this idea. We're giving up Bibby, who more often than not steps his game UP in critical junctures, and keeping Brad, who has disappeared in a puff of smoke so often he could be called Houdini?
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i agree with this post word for word. bibby is a critical piece. he's not the best defending point gaurd, but he attacks on offense and he's strong. how could you trade a point gaurd that averages 21ppg and 5 assists???????????????? its ludacris. trade brad miller
 
i seriously cannot believe what im reading. if im petrie, i definately keep

1.bibby
2.artest
3.martin
4.bonzi
5.shareef

trade and mix & match the other 8 players
 
I don't like the idea of trading Bibby. He's a player that brings effort pretty consistently, regardless of his flaws.

And, this may just be the sentimental girl in me, but I'd like to see at least ONE player from the Kings' glory days be given the opportunity to retire a King.
 
crutonimo said:
Worse than the Webber trade?? seriously??
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IMO, yes. We were desperate then and had to do something, and probably made the wrong move (although Peja for Artest wasn't an option that season). But we traded an all-star talent for role players. Big mistake and the reason so many people still hate this trade even though it had its pluses and minuses. We'd also be just giving away Garcia. Give away Corliss or Monia or Hart instead.

Bibby is good..but hes a 28 yr old pg who shoots too much and plays bad defense..In order to resign Bonzi, and eventually Artest the Kings will need some salary cap relief...moving Mike and KT accomplishes this.
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Bibby plays the modern day NBA point guard position. Like it or not there are only one or two pass first point guards in the league. Bibby is a lot closer to a true point guard than he is given credit for as well and his assist numbers were a lot higher when he was with Vancouver so its arguable that his number have gone down because of our system (that was a popular argument as recently as two or three seasons ago). His assist and assist/to numbers right now are still better than Banks's. We free up cap space with the ton of expiring contracts we have (Pot, Corliss, etc). We want to move KT but that's a separate issue.

Dont underestimate Banks, he is good...sprinkle in some line-ups with Artest or KMart handling the ball...and with Jaric off the bench I think the Kings PG situation is just fine...
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Plenty of potential there, I agree. Not enough to get off the bench in Boston, another bad team. Its really hard to guage how players will perform when they get on good teams though. If we did go with Banks as our PG I'd sure want a more capable backup than Jaric to cover for him.

Bibby WAS our leader...now it is Artest...Bibby has stepped up in the past, but the Kings no longer will need to rely on Bibby to generate all of the offense..
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If you HAVE to trade Bibby, do it for a star or near star not projects and role players. That's why I really hate this deal. But I don't see why we have to trade him either, he was a little disappointing in the Spurs series but he wasn't invisible like the player you're suggesting we keep instead.

With Dalembert on the team Brads limitations will be less obvious....Brad wont have to be the rebounder we all want..he can just be Brad Miller, insanely talented 7 footer with bad knees..
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If Dalembert was the real deal we wouldn't even need Brad, so again it would make more sense to trade Brad than Bibby.

As a final point, if we were to look at our central core as being Artest and Bonzi we're better off keeping an experienced veteran PG around because we probably have the same window to win with these guys as we did with the team we had when we brought Bibby in. Bringing in a bunch of projects and role players does not get us closer to a championship in this time window and keeps us in rebuilding mode while we either wait for Dalembert and Banks to develop or for the right move that puts us over the top.
 
pdxKingsFan said:
IMO, yes. We were desperate then and had to do something, and probably made the wrong move (although Peja for Artest wasn't an option that season). But we traded an all-star talent for role players. Big mistake and the reason so many people still hate this trade even though it had its pluses and minuses. We'd also be just giving away Garcia. Give away Corliss or Monia or Hart instead.


Bibby plays the modern day NBA point guard position. Like it or not there are only one or two pass first point guards in the league. Bibby is a lot closer to a true point guard than he is given credit for as well and his assist numbers were a lot higher when he was with Vancouver so its arguable that his number have gone down because of our system (that was a popular argument as recently as two or three seasons ago). His assist and assist/to numbers right now are still better than Banks's. We free up cap space with the ton of expiring contracts we have (Pot, Corliss, etc). We want to move KT but that's a separate issue.


Plenty of potential there, I agree. Not enough to get off the bench in Boston, another bad team. Its really hard to guage how players will perform when they get on good teams though. If we did go with Banks as our PG I'd sure want a more capable backup than Jaric to cover for him.


If you HAVE to trade Bibby, do it for a star or near star not projects and role players. That's why I really hate this deal. But I don't see why we have to trade him either, he was a little disappointing in the Spurs series but he wasn't invisible like the player you're suggesting we keep instead.


If Dalembert was the real deal we wouldn't even need Brad, so again it would make more sense to trade Brad than Bibby.

As a final point, if we were to look at our central core as being Artest and Bonzi we're better off keeping an experienced veteran PG around because we probably have the same window to win with these guys as we did with the team we had when we brought Bibby in. Bringing in a bunch of projects and role players does not get us closer to a championship in this time window and keeps us in rebuilding mode while we either wait for Dalembert and Banks to develop or for the right move that puts us over the top.
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Miller should be traded, not Bibby. With a decent Center defending, the guy that gets past Bibby is absorbed and hopefully stopped. Miller is the problem along with K9 and they should be top priority to be moved, not Bibby. He is an elite PG and is our core with Artest and hopefully Bonzi, KMart is definately in our future as well. We do have some expiring contracts in Corliss and Potapenko and these should be moved out of here as well hopefully with K9 and/or Brad to sweeten the deal. We need to deepen our bench and I'm all for signing Bobby if he can be had for Pota.. salary of $3M, but no more.

I really want to see what Monia can do next year and Petrie is high on this kid (trading away Skinner). I really hate how we traded away Skinner, but if Monia can be a Cisco type player, or better off the bench than it could be o.k.....but then again, why do you need 2 players that do the same thing??? I really do miss Skinner, I hate how RA didn't play him that much. While I like what RA has done and gotten us to the playoffs year in and year out.....he sure let some good talent rot away on the bench (Hedu, Wallace)...KMart and Cisco got playing time just because of injuries and would have otherwise probably have been rotting away right now.
 
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