JT could be next???

[ShastaKingsFan]

They'll have to run plays for Gay. If a lot of those are post ups, he can be a whole lot better.

I think they will. As for the term "chucker", if you think of all the guys who have been labeled with this, it's almost always a case of them hanging outside and shooting way too many 3's.

What's a quick way to remove the label? Help find them shots within the offense that are not always way outside. Find more mid range. Gay can certainly do that, if the team helps him...which we will

 

[Glenn]

Yep. NOW I have nothing to say about that signing. We miss him badly in the bench right now. I get it.

Ben may actually be best on the bench if we can find a sg who doesn't take a lot of shots to start and play d. A sefolosha type, with Ben as the harden type. Shumpert?

Somebody has to be on the bench. I'd love to be the coach who has the "problem" of playing Cousins, Williams, Gay, McLemore, and IT, all of whom can shoot. Depending on what happens with our 2nd pg spot, I can see a bench with Williams, Landry, and IT and there may not be any drop off in scoring. Now we actually have depth in a meaningful way. It happened very quickly, didn't it? There seems to be an incredible number of ways to mix and match but I'd be surprised if Cuz, Gay, Williams, IT, and McLemore can co-exist because of Naismith's quaint idea of having only one basketball and one basket to shoot at. This will be interesting.

 

[Chubbs]

Somebody has to be on the bench. I'd love to be the coach who has the "problem" of playing Cousins, Williams, Gay, McLemore, and IT, all of whom can shoot. Depending on what happens with our 2nd pg spot, I can see a bench with Williams, Landry, and IT and there may not be any drop off in scoring. Now we actually have depth in a meaningful way. It happened very quickly, didn't it? There seems to be an incredible number of ways to mix and match but I'd be surprised if Cuz, Gay, Williams, IT, and McLemore can co-exist because of Naismith's quaint idea of having only one basketball and one basket to shoot at. This will be interesting.

Gosh, having too many talented players is such a cross to bear.

I just don't know how we'll get by without our 6'5 backup center.

 

[ShastaKingsFan]

Somebody has to be on the bench. I'd love to be the coach who has the "problem" of playing Cousins, Williams, Gay, McLemore, and IT, all of whom can shoot. Depending on what happens with our 2nd pg spot, I can see a bench with Williams, Landry, and IT and there may not be any drop off in scoring. Now we actually have depth in a meaningful way. It happened very quickly, didn't it? There seems to be an incredible number of ways to mix and match but I'd be surprised if Cuz, Gay, Williams, IT, and McLemore can co-exist because of Naismith's quaint idea of having only one basketball and one basket to shoot at. This will be interesting.

Right. Keep in mind though, that Williams has never established himself in the NBA as a guy who has taken a ton of shots. He's not used to doing that, yet,...and hee doesn't appear to be a guy who will continue to force shots, if he doesn't feel the flow. I think this is a big key in the potential of this unique starting lineup with Gay and Derrick at the forwards

 

[Kingster]

We do need a couple of role players right now, in fact more than before. You know what you're going to get with JT. With all the other changes going on, there needs to be a bit of stability. I don't think he's going anywhere. I strongly suspect it will be MT who packs his bags next, despite the rumors.

I'll raise you one. I think JT and Thornton go, and maybe I'll raise you two and Jimmer goes.

 

[FaStRmAn]

I'll raise you one. I think JT and Thornton go, and maybe I'll raise you two and Jimmer goes.

What he said.

I can see the new regime washing out the last vestiges of the old one. Jimmer has to go but the only way they dump him is to package him with someone else such as Thorton or Thompson. But I have to agree, sooner or later these 3 will be packin a U-HAUL (or their posse's will) The Kings need a serviceable backup PG to play while McCallum gets his legs under him. They have 2 role players and a dead weight anchor. I'll let you figure out who is who....

 

[Padrino]

I think they will. As for the term "chucker", if you think of all the guys who have been labeled with this, it's almost always a case of them hanging outside and shooting way too many 3's.

What's a quick way to remove the label? Help find them shots within the offense that are not always way outside. Find more mid range. Gay can certainly do that, if the team helps him...which we will

that's actually where gay shoots far too much. he's a better three-point shooter than midrange shooter. the kings coaches need to encourage him away from long twos, which are the most inefficient shots in the game...

 

[ockingsfan]

I could see the Kings making a strong play for Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin. Both these players have a poison pill balloon payment of over $14.8million each in 2014. Houston seems aggressive in trying to move Asik by December 19th and the Kings have been aggressive from the start.

My thought would be Jason Thompson and Marcus Thornton to Houston for Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin.

Why the Kings do it? They move a disgruntled MT and a solid, but unspectacular JT for two players that can fill out their roster. Asik would give the kings a big defensive presence next to DMC and a potential starting PG in Jeremy Lin. Lin would also help Vivek's vision of globalizing the Kings brand in Asia. Also both contracts end in 2015, which is in PDA's free agent plan.

Why the Rockets do it? The Rockets are in win now mode and Jason Thompson give them a solid and full sized front court mate next to Dwight Howard. MT gives them a scoring threat and solid backup to James Harden, in case Harden is out of the game or is injured. He could be their 3rd guard in their 3 guard rotation. Most of all, this allows Houston to escape the massive Luxury Tax hit they would have next year when Asik and Lin's salary balloons to over $14.8 million each.

 

[Bricklayer]

I could see the Kings making a strong play for Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin. Both these players have a poison pill balloon payment of over $13million each in 2014. Houston seems aggressive in trying to move Asik by December 19th and the Kings have been aggressive from the start.

My thought would be Jason Thompson and Marcus Thornton to Houston for Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin.

Why the Kings do it? They move a disgruntled MT and a solid, but unspectacular JT for two players that can fill out their roster. Asik would give the kings a big defensive presence next to DMC and a potential starting PG in Jeremy Lin. Lin would also help Vivek's vision of globalizing the Kings brand in Asia. Also both contracts end in 2015, which is in PDA's free agent plan.

Why the Rockets do it? The Rockets are in win now mode and Jason Thompson give them a solid and full sized front court mate next to Dwight Howard. MT gives them a scoring threat and solid backup to James Harden, in case Harden is out of the game or is injured. He could be their 3rd guard in their 3 guard rotation. Most of all, this allows Houston to escape the massive Luxury Tax hit they would have next year when Asik and Lin's salary balloons to over $13 million each.

you do have a point there about Lin helping to globablize the brand in Asia. Asik is Turkish as well, and the Kings have some roots in that direction too.

 

[macadocious]

Lets just forget about the salaries for a second, but this would be our team

IT 36min/Lin 12 min
McClemore32min/Lin 16min/Jimmer
Gay 32min/Williams 16min
Asik 16 min/Landry24 min/Williams 8min
Cousins 36min/Asik12

Deep bench Gray, Outlaw Acy

I think that is a top 4 team in the west.

 

[whozit]

........... Most of all, this allows Houston to escape the massive Luxury Tax hit they would have next year when Asik and Lin's salary balloons to over $14.8 million each.

The salary may be $14.8 million but the cap hit is around $8.3 million and the cap hit is what matters in terms of the luxury tax.

 

[funkykingston]

I could see the Kings making a strong play for Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin. Both these players have a poison pill balloon payment of over $14.8million each in 2014.

Most of all, this allows Houston to escape the massive Luxury Tax hit they would have next year when Asik and Lin's salary balloons to over $14.8 million each.

One thing to keep in mind is that while the Rockets signed Lin & Asik to contracts that pay them $5 million, $5 million and $15 million, the actual cap hit is divided equally, so they count $8.33 million against the cap each year.

In real dollars it will cost Houston (or any team that acquires either player) $15 million but in terms of cap and luxury tax calculations, it is the same all three years.

EDIT: Curse my longwindedness and slow typing!

 

[New Era]

I could see the Kings making a strong play for Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin. Both these players have a poison pill balloon payment of over $14.8million each in 2014. Houston seems aggressive in trying to move Asik by December 19th and the Kings have been aggressive from the start.

My thought would be Jason Thompson and Marcus Thornton to Houston for Omer Asik and Jeremy Lin.

Why the Kings do it? They move a disgruntled MT and a solid, but unspectacular JT for two players that can fill out their roster. Asik would give the kings a big defensive presence next to DMC and a potential starting PG in Jeremy Lin. Lin would also help Vivek's vision of globalizing the Kings brand in Asia. Also both contracts end in 2015, which is in PDA's free agent plan.

Why the Rockets do it? The Rockets are in win now mode and Jason Thompson give them a solid and full sized front court mate next to Dwight Howard. MT gives them a scoring threat and solid backup to James Harden, in case Harden is out of the game or is injured. He could be their 3rd guard in their 3 guard rotation. Most of all, this allows Houston to escape the massive Luxury Tax hit they would have next year when Asik and Lin's salary balloons to over $14.8 million each.

I would love this trade but I think Houston will hold out for more talent and/or picks in return. Let's face it, JT might be able to provide the roll you suggested for the Rockets but MT has been completely worthless this season and both players don't have good contracts. This would be a steal for us if we could pull it off.

 

[whozit]

One thing to keep in mind is that while the Rockets signed Lin & Asik to contracts that pay them $5 million, $5 million and $15 million, the actual cap hit is divided equally, so they count $8.33 million against the cap each year.

In real dollars it will cost Houston (or any team that acquires either player) $15 million but in terms of cap and luxury tax calculations, it is the same all three years.

EDIT: Curse my longwindedness and slow typing!

Longwindedness or better explanation? I'll go with the latter.

 

[ockingsfan]

The salary may be $14.8 million but the cap hit is around $8.3 million and the cap hit is what matters in terms of the luxury tax.

Actually, the cap hit would be the full 14.8 million for the team with the player, I believe. The 8.3 million cap number is in terms of a trade and the salary they would need to be matched.

That is why the Rockets structured the contracts like that, so New York (Lin) and Chicago (Asik) would not match the offer sheet. If the cap hit to the team with the player was only 8.3 million, New York and Chicago, would have easily matched those contracts. I'm pretty sure, that the "Poison Pill" of $14.8 million is to make sure the original team does not match the offer, because the team would have a nearly 15 million contract in 3 years on their capspace.

 

[MassachusettsKingsFan]

I have to imagine that Houston can get more for Asik and Lin (who has been playing well) than Thompson and Thornton.

 

[Glenn]

I have to imagine that Houston can get more for Asik and Lin (who has been playing well) than Thompson and Thornton.

You mean a guy who is derided for his clumsiness and a player whose primary skill is shooting and seems to have forgotten how to shoot is not the equivalent of Asik and Lin? Really?

 

[funkykingston]

Actually, the cap hit would be the full 14.8 million for the team with the player, I believe. The 8.3 million cap number is in terms of a trade and the salary they would need to be matched.

That is why the Rockets structured the contracts like that, so New York (Lin) and Chicago (Asik) would not match the offer sheet. If the cap hit to the team with the player was only 8.3 million, New York and Chicago, would have easily matched those contracts. I'm pretty sure, that the "Poison Pill" of $14.8 million is to make sure the original team does not match the offer, because the team would have a nearly 15 million contract in 3 years on their capspace.

You'd think that would be how it would work but it isn't.

A RFA with two years (or less) of NBA experience can only sign with a new team for a max of the MLE for the first year with a 4.5% max raise in the second. After those first two years, the team can pay them whatever they like up to the max given their tenure in the league. This is the "Gilbert Arenas provision" of the current CBA. But to force teams to have the caproom for such a deal, the NBA forces the new team to have caproom in the first year equal to the AVERAGE of the salaries over the length of the contract. Which is why Houston has a cap hit of $8.33 million each year instead of $5 million, $5 million and $15 million even though that's what Asik will actually be paid.

The real loophole is that such a poison pill contract affects the cap this way for the team trying to sign the RFA but NOT for the current team that would have to match the deal to retain him. For the Bulls to match they would have been forced to pay Asik the 5/5/15 AND have it hit their cap as 5/5/15 rather than 8.3/8.3/8.3.

I'm not sure why the CBA allows that to be the case but Houston exploited it to force Chicago and New York to let Asik and Lin go.

 

[Hallama]

Some team will overpay for Asik...just always seems to happen for a player of his size/skills. No way Houston would take JT/MT for him.

 

[Gary]

I don't care who we get back, I would love to get rid of Thompson. He hasn't improved a single aspect of his game since he entered the league. How can someone lose that many games and not improve his game to give his team a better chance to win? He's a nice guy, but I'm not sure that's worth 6 mil per.

Dragic would be awesome.

Are you crazy? Remember when JT would CONSTANTLY brick everything close to the basket, and remember how he looked lost defensively? Please don't say that he hasn't improved any aspect of his game when it's 100% incorrect.

 

[King Baller]

I have to imagine that Houston can get more for Asik and Lin (who has been playing well) than Thompson and Thornton.

I would also think Morey would want more assets. Say IT and some kind of a pick. And i don't think that is going to happen as it is a bad deal.

I don't think the Kings should deal with Morey since he seems to regularly fleece the Kings

 

[macadocious]

 

[LPKingsFan]

Houston would insist on IT, not Jimmer.

 

[New Era]

Houston would insist on IT, not Jimmer.

And that would make for a VERY tough decision for PDA. 2 weeks ago, it would be a no-brainer. I think I'd do it because if you had both Lin and IT there wouldn't be enough minutes for both of them. Lin is pretty equal to IT and you would get rid of MT and pick up Asik which could be a game changer for us.

 

[ockingsfan]

Houston would insist on IT, not Jimmer.

Although I would be sad to see IT go, I think in the long run PDA should make that deal, if he can.

Reason being, IT will be a free agent next year and will get paid by some team, more than PDA will be willing to match. Plus any long term higher priced deal goes against the 2015 free agent summer.

Kings would get 2 very good pieces for the near and possibly long term. And NBA 3.0 marketing will go crazy in Asia and even Turkey. More exposure = more capital to invest in 2015 free agent market. Plus the kings seem very high on McCallum, so it opens PT for him.

PF ASIK/ Landry
SF Gay/ Williams
C DMC/ Grey
SG McClemore/ Fredette
PG Lin/ McCallum (maybe sign Kendal Marshall from NBADL)

 

[KingMilz]

Jason Thompson really seems like the Michael Meyers of Sacramento, every time we have tried to kill him off the guy just comes back and through either poor play from the other PF/good play from him he get's his spot back. Based on this I'm going to assume no trade involving him.

 

[chief bromden]

Are you crazy? Remember when JT would CONSTANTLY brick everything close to the basket, and remember how he looked lost defensively? Please don't say that he hasn't improved any aspect of his game when it's 100% incorrect.

I agree that saying he hasn't improved at all is 100% incorrect. However, I still see him miss close post ups quite a bit, hurry his moves, pick up cheap fouls on defense, and have lapses on the defensive boards. Overall, his hands are still slippery. In the end, your point stands. I apologize for offending you. You first question is humorous considering my name on here though, thanks for the chuckle. And the answer is Yes.

 

[chief bromden]

What you just said exemplifies what a role player does. You explained it perfectly (with or without meaning to do so). He doesn't make a bad team better but he can come in and play within the confines of the offense/defense and do a decent job doing so with the team he's playing for not skipping a beat.

We don't need that right now. We need to get talent, and I would be all for getting Dragic if that were available to us.

Why the change of heart? lol....

 

[jcwkings]

You don't trade or let IT go, he has intagibles you can't teach, this is the problem with our generation of fans, they only look at stats. To me watching players on the court does the talking and IT has the tools to be a top PG in the modern NBA, maybe 15 years ago he would have been a bench player, but in the modern NBA a PG that can penetrate at will, hit the pull up midrange shot, shoot over 40% from the 3 pt line, shoot 85%+ from the line, and has an array of floaters at his disposal with good court vision is nearly impossible to stop, that and he is tough as nails, plays with a chip on his shoulder, is a true pro, and has the belief that he is an elite PG.

 

[Livinthedream]

You don't trade or let IT go, he has intagibles you can't teach, this is the problem with our generation of fans, they only look at stats. To me watching players on the court does the talking and IT has the tools to be a top PG in the modern NBA, maybe 15 years ago he would have been a bench player, but in the modern NBA a PG that can penetrate at will, hit the pull up midrange shot, shoot over 40% from the 3 pt line, shoot 85%+ from the line, and has an array of floaters at his disposal with good court vision is nearly impossible to stop, that and he is tough as nails, plays with a chip on his shoulder, is a true pro, and has the belief that he is an elite PG.

Yes, IT does all those things. But the real reason you can't trade him is that you don't yet have someone to take his place in the starting lineup. It was going to be either GV or IT that would be traded. We don't have the depth to cover both of them leaving. I don't think Lin would be the long term solution either.