Josh Smith?

[Albatros]

Not sure i'd call it moronic personally, Monroe is a talented big but not someone I'd personally break the bank for.

 

[Jkbiker]

Forward-center Greg Monroe has informed the Detroit Pistons' he will accept the qualifying offer, play for Detroit in 2014-15 and become an unrestricted free agent next summer, two people familiar with Monroe's plan told USA TODAY Sports.
The people requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about Monroe's decision.
Monroe, 24, was a restricted free agent this summer but decided not to sign an offer sheet with another team or sign a multiyear extension with the Pistons.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...free-agent-pistons-qualifying-offer/12940893/

Since Monroe can veto any trade, it may be a while before SVG decides to move Josh Smith , if at all

 

[Rain man]

Forward-center Greg Monroe has informed the Detroit Pistons' he will accept the qualifying offer, play for Detroit in 2014-15 and become an unrestricted free agent next summer, two people familiar with Monroe's plan told USA TODAY Sports.
The people requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about Monroe's decision.
Monroe, 24, was a restricted free agent this summer but decided not to sign an offer sheet with another team or sign a multiyear extension with the Pistons.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...free-agent-pistons-qualifying-offer/12940893/

Since Monroe can veto any trade, it may be a while before SVG decides to move Josh Smith , if at all

Not sure what SVG is doing. I don't like Monroe, but Monroe-Drummond is a great combo. It is the sort of combo we envision when we talk about Cousins and x defensive big. Granted, Cousins is better than Monroe, but Monroe-Drummond is a great pairing.

The problem is Smith. He is the exact wrong fit for that duo. He cannot play the 3 and kills their cap. They really should trade him for cap relief. You can't tell me that Detroit with a second scorer on the wing, a role player wing, and above average point guard isn't a threat in the East.

Drummond
Monroe
Singler/Meeks
Second Scorer (using the Smith cap space to sign or trade for someone like Kevin Martin, Arron Aaflalo, or Jeff Green)
Brandon Jennings (I hate Jennings game, and would try to change him out, but he is signed there)

 

[ockingsfan]

Forward-center Greg Monroe has informed the Detroit Pistons' he will accept the qualifying offer, play for Detroit in 2014-15 and become an unrestricted free agent next summer, two people familiar with Monroe's plan told USA TODAY Sports.
The people requested anonymity because they were not authorized to speak publicly about Monroe's decision.
Monroe, 24, was a restricted free agent this summer but decided not to sign an offer sheet with another team or sign a multiyear extension with the Pistons.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...free-agent-pistons-qualifying-offer/12940893/

Since Monroe can veto any trade, it may be a while before SVG decides to move Josh Smith , if at all

I think this risk that Monroe is willing to take and pass up a $60 mil contract to get out of Detroit, mainly to get out of playing alongside Josh Smith sends a clear message to SVG that Monroe wants out and if he doesn't trade JSmoove, he will leave next summer.

I think that puts more pressure on SVG to move JSMoove before the October 1st signing of qualifying offer. Generally, you want your cornerstone players signed to long term contracts and not leave after one year. If Monroe has to sign a one year offer now, he is for sure gone next year.

 

[Jkbiker]

I think this risk that Monroe is willing to take and pass up a $60 mil contract to get out of Detroit, mainly to get out of playing alongside Josh Smith sends a clear message to SVG that Monroe wants out and if he doesn't trade JSmoove, he will leave next summer.

I think that puts more pressure on SVG to move JSMoove before the October 1st signing of qualifying offer. Generally, you want your cornerstone players signed to long term contracts and not leave after one year. If Monroe has to sign a one year offer now, he is for sure gone next year.

Only if SVG has a commitment at least verbally to a LT Monroe deal will SVG even call to see about trading Smith
Monroe will have to agree to yrs, Amount of contract, and whether a trade for Smith is needed (maybe maybe not)

Monroe would either then sign the LT deal or says he will sign conditional on a Smith trade

SVG wants value for Smith, the only way he takes our scraps is if Monroe agrees to deal conditional on a trade
Only then will SVG make us a deal, he will not risk loosing both Bigs

 

[randymoss1881]

Wouldn't this mean Smoth is less likely to be traded. Monroe is making it clear that he hates it there and now they can't match any offers so they can't risk trading Smith then loosing Monror next season.

 

[ockingsfan]

Wouldn't this mean Smoth is less likely to be traded. Monroe is making it clear that he hates it there and now they can't match any offers so they can't risk trading Smith then loosing Monror next season.

Depends on who they value more, JSmooth or Monroe. If they value Monroe more, they would want to trade JSmooth before the October 1st and get Monroe into a long term contract. If Monroe signs a one year contract, he is as good as gone next summer.

So it all comes down to Monroe or JSmooth for Detroit. If they want Monroe, they need to move JSmooth fast, before October 1st.

Because if they don't trade JSmooth before Monroe signs the qualifying offer, Monroe will be one P.O.'d star playing out a year on a qualifying contract, counting the Days until 7/1/2015, when he leaves Detroit

 

[Sac.1989]

this is the opening we needed. You call, hound, send faxes everything to can to get Stan to see the facts are in front of him and he needs to do something. If we are serious about winning now you do this and you go all out to get Rondo here and go all out to resign him next season, which shouldnt be difficult given what we would have at that point.

We have enough pieces to get this done if we play it right.

 

[Chupacabra]

Not sure what SVG is doing. I don't like Monroe, but Monroe-Drummond is a great combo. It is the sort of combo we envision when we talk about Cousins and x defensive big. Granted, Cousins is better than Monroe, but Monroe-Drummond is a great pairing.

The problem is Smith. He is the exact wrong fit for that duo. He cannot play the 3 and kills their cap. They really should trade him for cap relief. You can't tell me that Detroit with a second scorer on the wing, a role player wing, and above average point guard isn't a threat in the East.

Drummond
Monroe
Singler/Meeks
Second Scorer (using the Smith cap space to sign or trade for someone like Kevin Martin, Arron Aaflalo, or Jeff Green)
Brandon Jennings (I hate Jennings game, and would try to change him out, but he is signed there)

My sentiments exactly. I couldn't imagine a scenario where Detroit keeps Smith and let's Monroe leave. It doesn't match up with what we've heard form The Pistons and doesn't make good common sense.

 

[SacKings384]

With Monroe coming back it's an even bigger incentive to move J-Smooth. The only thing is that SVG wants value back, which is unrealistic. Josh is way overpaid and basically taking him off their hands would be value enough. Nobody would actually give up any asset of value to take on that albatross of a contract.

 

[upinsmoke]

I have a feeling WE are the ones asking for the sweetener in the deal. And it makes sense Smith's contract is ridiculous compared to his production especially at the 3 YUCKY.

 

[randymoss1881]

Did Monroe say he would sign if Dmith is traded and I thought he already signed the QA

 

[ParniValjak]

I have a feeling WE are the ones asking for the sweetener in the deal. And it makes sense Smith's contract is ridiculous compared to his production especially at the 3 YUCKY.

I highly doubt it. I think it is the same process with went through getting Rudy Gay. You have a talented player who is overpaid and is put in a position to fail. He is getting a smashing in the media as a bust but our guys are looking at him and thinking, well we are not going to play him at SF, he will also not be our primary option offensively. Hell he won't be a 2nd option either. We would play him in spots where he is proven to be effective and with reduced shot his efficiency will improve so why not try and get this guy on the cheap. He addresses a need, improves the talent level and all for some $13.5 million a season over the next 3 years. When you look at it. We will be paying Landry and JT close to that amount for the same length of the deal so really, it doesn't affect the cap space that much if we can include one of those guys into the deal

 

[Prince_XY]

He addresses a need, improves the talent level and all for some $13.5 million a season over the next 3 years. When you look at it. We will be paying Landry and JT close to that amount for the same length of the deal so really, it doesn't affect the cap space that much if we can include one of those guys into the deal

All $13.5M tied on one player.

If the experiment fails, do you think Josh Smith's contract will be easier to move than the separate contracts of JT and a healthy Landry?

If it will be, I think the 6' 7" (without shoes) undersized PF Josh Smith will not be as bad to gamble on.

 

[KingMilz]

All $13.5M tied on one player.

If the experiment fails, do you think Josh Smith's contract will be easier to move than the separate contracts of JT and a healthy Landry?

If it will be, I think the 6' 7" (without shoes) undersized PF Josh Smith will not be as bad to gamble on.

I rather have a 6'7 undersized Josh Smith over any player on our roster other than Cousins, he's a two way player and decent passer with insane athletic ability.. If he goes back to his Hawks production the contract is not that bad, people need to realise he was put in a position to fail and he took it with both hands. We have been dying for years for a legit shot blocker/finisher next to Cousins I don't see why it would fail, if it is going to fail it's going to be because of Rudy Gay most likely who's contract is up at the end of the year anyway.

The whole Smith undersized thing is overblown he can easily cover stretch 4's and is a great help defender we have seen how much having a solid man to man defender in JT (who has good size) has helped us and that's not much at all. We need one elite help defender on the squad.

 

[upinsmoke]

I highly doubt it. I think it is the same process with went through getting Rudy Gay. You have a talented player who is overpaid and is put in a position to fail. He is getting a smashing in the media as a bust but our guys are looking at him and thinking, well we are not going to play him at SF, he will also not be our primary option offensively. Hell he won't be a 2nd option either. We would play him in spots where he is proven to be effective and with reduced shot his efficiency will improve so why not try and get this guy on the cheap. He addresses a need, improves the talent level and all for some $13.5 million a season over the next 3 years. When you look at it. We will be paying Landry and JT close to that amount for the same length of the deal so really, it doesn't affect the cap space that much if we can include one of those guys into the deal

Well if the proposed deal is Landry & JT for Smith then it's a square deal but I get the impression they are asking for JT and a expiring in which case I ask for a pick in included in the deal because of the higher risk factor. Maybe we throw in a second rounder to somewhat ease the blow but the Monroe situation is not looking rosy for them.

 

[KingMilz]

Well if the proposed deal is Landry & JT for Smith then it's a square deal but I get the impression they are asking for JT and a expiring in which case I ask for a pick in included in the deal because of the higher risk factor. Maybe we throw in a second rounder to somewhat ease the blow but the Monroe situation is not looking rosy for them.

I would have zero issues giving away Landry/Williams for Smith even if Williams is expiring no need to ask for a pick back

 

[upinsmoke]

I would have zero issues giving away Landry/Williams for Smith even if Williams is expiring no need to ask for a pick back

Exactly which is why the deal is not done they're trying to get outta Smith's deal clean as a whistle because if you think about it JT is a pretty damn good option for them behind Drummond and Monroe. Who else is out there looking to add Smith's contract to their books? CRICKETS

 

[KingMilz]

Exactly which is why the deal is not done they're trying to get outta Smith's deal clean as a whistle because if you think about it JT is a pretty damn good option for them behind Drummond and Monroe. Who else is out there looking to add Smith's contract to their books? CRICKETS

I would have thought Landry with his mid range jumper would have been a better fit and could mix well with both Monroe and Drummond as a 6th man.

 

[ParniValjak]

Well if the proposed deal is Landry & JT for Smith then it's a square deal but I get the impression they are asking for JT and a expiring in which case I ask for a pick in included in the deal because of the higher risk factor. Maybe we throw in a second rounder to somewhat ease the blow but the Monroe situation is not looking rosy for them.

Here is the thing. You are not getting the same talent for so little unless there is risk involved. Josh Smith has not forgotten how to play basketball in the last 12 month the same way Rudy Gay did not forget how to play while he was in Toronto. He is in a situation that is asking him to be something he is not. He is not a #1 and he is not a SF. He was asked to be both in Detroit. You get him out of that situation and get him inro spots where you know he is effective and he is a completely different player. Sure he still might be a bit overpriced at his deal but it's not as monsterous as it appears now.

From our perspective, this is a carbon copy of Rudy Gay situation. An underperforming, overpaid talent in a bad situation, you get then out of it, put them into spots where you knw they are effective and you've got yourself a productive piece that addresses your need.

Asking for a draft pick is just sitting on the fence and being scared to back yourself in. We went for it when everyone laughed out loud at us and we proved them wrong. We are doing the same thing with Josh Smith and people are laughing at our interest but unfortunately SVG is not as easy to trick a MU was, hence the hold off and no movement on this front for months.

Finally, of course they do not want JT and Landry for Smith. They are not stupid but if you can trade one of those deals alsong with an expiring, you still pull off that trade every single time. I would still do it for all the expirings we have because you are not signing a Josh Smith level of talent through free agency. Just not going to happen.

 

[lwc]

I think Rudy was a little easier contract to swallow because even though it is pricy, it was shorter. Doesn't Josh Smith still have 3 years left? Rudy had two and one was a player option.

 

[twslam07]

I would give them Landry, Williams, and Terry for Smith. That is the type of move that is a low risk/high reward move and it would help balance out our roster next year.

PG - Collison (28 min)/McCallum (20 min)/Burton
SG - Stauskas (24 min)/McLemore (24 min)/Ellington
SF - Gay (35 min) /Casspi (13 min)
PF - Smith (31 min)/Thompson (11 min)/Evans (6 min)/Moreland
C - Cousins (35 min)/Thompson (13 min)/Bhullar

Minute Distribution
Cousins - 35 mpg
Gay - 35 mpg
Smith - 31 mpg
Collison - 28 mpg
Stauskas - 24 mpg
McLemore - 24 mpg
Thompson - 24 mpg
Casspi - 13 mpg
Evans - 6 mpg

 

[funkykingston]

I would give them Landry, Williams, and Terry for Smith. That is the type of move that is a low risk/high reward move and it would help balance out our roster next year.

Don't need to include both Williams and Terry. Landry & Terry OR Landry & Williams would get the deal done. If Detroit was open to either deal I think they'd prefer Williams as he gives them both cap relief and a stopgap SF whereas Terry likely only offers cap relief since I question whether he'd play a game for the Pistons.

Either way a starting lineup of Cousins, Smith, Gay, Stauskas and Collison SHOULD equate to very good ball movement. All five guys can handle and are above average passers for their position.

 

[twslam07]

Don't need to include both Williams and Terry. Landry & Terry OR Landry & Williams would get the deal done. If Detroit was open to either deal I think they'd prefer Williams as he gives them both cap relief and a stopgap SF whereas Terry likely only offers cap relief since I question whether he'd play a game for the Pistons.

I disagree. There is a reason I included both.

This would be our team if we included only Williams:

Payroll: $77.03 mil (.03 mil over the luxury tax & 3.97 mil below the tax apron - these numbers jump to .51 mil over the luxury tax & 3.49 mil below the tax apron if we trade Terry instead)
PG - Collison/McCallum/Terry
SG - Stauskas/McLemore/Ellington
SF - Gay/Casspi
PF - Smith/Evans/Moreland
C - Cousins/Thompson

If you want to add a third SF and/or third C, you're going to be right up against that tax apron (not to mention you'll have to pay even more tax). That''ll limit you to trades where you are sending out more money than you receive in order to preserve the $5.3 MLE and avoid paying more tax money..


This would be our team if we included both Terry and Williams:

Payroll: $71.18 mil (5.82 mil below the luxury tax & 9.82 mil below the tax apron)
PG - Collison/McCallum
SG - Stauskas/McLemore/Ellington
SF - Gay/Casspi
PF - Smith/Evans/Moreland
C - Cousins/Thompson

This gives the team plenty of space to sign a third PG, third SF, and third C to fill out the roster, allows them to make trades where they take back more salary, makes them non-taxpayers, and it assures them that they will have their $5.3 mil MLE next year.

Now would I take the deal if they wanted only Williams or Terry? Yes, but I would rather include both for the added benefits.

 

[funkykingston]

Good point but it also hinges on Detroit being willing to take on an extra $5.45 million in salary this season to take Jason Terry as well.

Curious to see if any additional moves (beyond end of the bench signings) actually happen before the Kings start the season.

 

[bajaden]

Good point but it also hinges on Detroit being willing to take on an extra $5.45 million in salary this season to take Jason Terry as well.

Curious to see if any additional moves (beyond end of the bench signings) actually happen before the Kings start the season.

I agree. It's a two way street, and as they say, it takes two to tango. But hey, if you can get the Pistons to agree, I'm fine with it. Somehow I don't think they have our best interests at heart.

 

[Kingster]

Don't need to include both Williams and Terry. Landry & Terry OR Landry & Williams would get the deal done. If Detroit was open to either deal I think they'd prefer Williams as he gives them both cap relief and a stopgap SF whereas Terry likely only offers cap relief since I question whether he'd play a game for the Pistons.

Either way a starting lineup of Cousins, Smith, Gay, Stauskas and Collison SHOULD equate to very good ball movement. All five guys can handle and are above average passers for their position.

I don't think Gay or Collison are above average passers at their respective positions. And with Stauskas, it's a little early to tell.

 

[KingMilz]

I don't think Gay or Collison are above average passers at their respective positions. And with Stauskas, it's a little early to tell.

They are average at best imo

 

[bajaden]

I don't think Gay or Collison are above average passers at their respective positions. And with Stauskas, it's a little early to tell.

While I agree that its too early to predict the outcome of Stauskas transition to the NBA, it is encouraging that he led his team in assists last season while seldom turning the ball over.

 

[Kingster]

While I agree that its too early to predict the outcome of Stauskas transition to the NBA, it is encouraging that he led his team in assists last season while seldom turning the ball over.

We saw Cousins pass the ball great in his first summer league, and yet for several years in the NBA he's been pretty putrid in his assist/to ratio. I think Cousins will eventually be a good passer, but the point is that this ain't college ball; it could take Stauskas a couple of seasons to make the adjustment. If I'm just looking at next year, I don't think this team's passing is anything greater than average.