Josh Smith?

[Boogie-havoc]

A deal I saw that I liked :

Sac sends : Jason Thompson, Derrick Williams, 2015 2nd round pick, 3.1 million TPE
Sac gets : Josh Smith, Quincy Pondexter

Detroit sends : Josh Smith
Detroit gets : Derrick Williams, Tayshaun Prince

Memphis sends : Tayshaun Prince, Quincy Pondexter
Memphis gets : Jason Thompson, 2015 2nd round pick, 3.1 million TPE.


We get to dump JT longterm deal and net Josh Smith in hopes he turns it around, aswell as a solid SF backup in Pondexter who's a 3&D type role player we need at minimal cost due to him coming off injury.

Detroit gets to dump Smith for expirings only, which I think is a major coup for them (not having to take JT)

Memphis bolster their bigs rotation with JT to come off the bench with Jon Leuer as the only option as it stands, and gets out of Pondexter's deal having just signed Carter, with Allen and Lee already on the roster - while gaining a 2nd round pick and some TPE.

 

[Bricklayer]

A deal I saw that I liked :

Sac sends : Jason Thompson, Derrick Williams, 2015 2nd round pick, 3.1 million TPE
Sac gets : Josh Smith, Quincy Pondexter

Detroit sends : Josh Smith
Detroit gets : Derrick Williams, Tayshaun Prince

Memphis sends : Tayshaun Prince, Quincy Pondexter
Memphis gets : Jason Thompson, 2015 2nd round pick, 3.1 million TPE.


We get to dump JT longterm deal and net Josh Smith in hopes he turns it around, aswell as a solid SF backup in Pondexter who's a 3&D type role player we need at minimal cost due to him coming off injury.

Detroit gets to dump Smith for expirings only, which I think is a major coup for them (not having to take JT)

Memphis bolster their bigs rotation with JT to come off the bench with Jon Leuer as the only option as it stands, and gets out of Pondexter's deal having just signed Carter, with Allen and Lee already on the roster - while gaining a 2nd round pick and some TPE.

always nice when somebody gives some thought as to why everybody would do it, not just their own team

 

[Kingster]

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You forgot about Andrew Bynum.

 

[miltonap]

Lol at people on realgm thinking we would be offering Ben + JT/Williams just to get Josh Smith. Why would we have to overdo it to get Josh Smith. They obviously want him gone and his teammates want him gone.

It sounds like Detroit thinks it has much leverage here. They want value AND they want to get rid of Smith's awful contract. I really really hope PDA stands his ground and doesn't give in to their requests. He has no reason to.

A third team definitely needs to be involved

 

[Gilles]

Detroit hasn't signed Monroe yet, so they can tell people "Look at this point Smith is our PF for next season and he's not going anywhere!"
On the other hand there was a report, that "Kings are contemplating, whether to trade for Smith, given that they are not losing anyone in their long-term plan in the deal"

 

[swisshh]

I don't think Ben is involved in any trades. The Kings are likely offering other teams potential cap space via trade.

 

[NewArena]

I am nervous trotting out Cousins-Smith-Landry frontcourt rotation. Just not good. On the other hand Cousin-Smith-Thompson is workable. Not great but an improvment. If we pull this off, we absolutely need to get back up who can play PF and C and Landry is not it. Unless they are planning on giving SF back up minutes to Smith which is not great either.

Smith would be an upgrade on talent, but not necessarily on IQ and that deal is LONG but I do agree with others that this could be part of the move for Rondo. Get two of his close friends in Smith and Gay to the same team who also happen to have the best young C in the world and a kid who can shoot at SG and all of a sudden Sacramento becomes more attractive to Rondo!

Right! And it can't all happen at once. Yes, we'd still need a few things, but I think acquiring smith is one hell of a start, if we can do it. I'm a little worried that it's Friday, and the rumor had been out a few days, though.

Makes me feel like the likelihood of the deal has lessened

 

[NewArena]

I want to win some ball games.

I'm an optimist who thinks the Atlanta Josh Smith was not that long ago and would be a solid fit for this team. He can block shots and finish at the rim. Something NONE of our bigs, other than Cousins can currently do. Make it happen!

Right!

Where do I sign?

 

[NewArena]

Let's judge the front office after they have a few years to form their vision. Rome wasn't built in a day.

I don't know about a few YEARS lol but I'll definitely give them time.

 

[apollo916]

All in all its still a better team than what we've had in years imo

 

[upinsmoke]

A part of me worries Cuz will give him the Donte Greene treatment to be honest especially if Smith plays the tough guy role him.

 

[apollo916]

I thinkmalone is strong minded and has a tactic to put that situation to rest. We have a lot to look forward to as an organization. I think that keeps players at ease. ...... Hopefully

 

[ockingsfan]

Don't know if anyone has mentioned this already but a three way deal with the Knicks would work as Phil Jackson is rumored to be trying to move JR Smith and supposedly interested in Kings forwards.

Kings
Outgoing: Carl Landry, Derrick Williams
Incoming: Josh Smith

Pistons:
Outgoing: Josh Smith
Incoming: Derrick Williams, JR Smith

Knicks:Outgoing: JR Smith
Incoming: Carl Landry

For the Pistons it means a starting SF in Williams on a one year tryout and a backup SG and 6th man in JR Smith who only has a year left on his deal after this season meaning quite a lot of cap relief and some usable wings in the meantime.

Most importantly it lets the Kings keep Thompson as a backup PF/C. I think that's a big deal, but I think PDA would much rather move JT and keep Landry which I think is a bad decision.

This is a trade that makes a lot of sense for all three teams.

Although I think Phil Jackson would want Thompson instead of Landry.

Detroit is thin at SG and SF, so DWill and JR Smith would give them some options at those positions and much less salary than Josh Smith's contract.

Kings gets their new starting PF and shotblocker.

 

[ockingsfan]

I think one of the hold ups also on the Josh Smith deal, besides trying to find a 3rd team, is Detroit wants to get a contract in principle with Greg Monroe before they trade Josh Smith.

The rumor is Greg Monroe won't sign long term if Josh Smith is not traded, so Detroit wants assurances that if they deal JSmith, Greg Monroe will resign.

I think that if Detroit can get Greg Monroe to a contract agreement, they would make the trade with the Kings, regardless if they found a 3rd team or not.

 

[Sac.Kings]

I am wondering how much longer this trade is not going to happen/actually happen. Why all the talking if it leads nowhere?

 

[VF21]

I am wondering how much longer this trade is not going to happen/actually happen. Why all the talking if it leads nowhere?

Lots of reasons. One of them could be laying the groundwork now for potential future trades. There are tons of times GMs talk with each other and nothing comes of it. We don't always hear about them.

 

[Sac.Kings]

Lots of reasons. One of them could be laying the groundwork now for potential future trades. There are tons of times GMs talk with each other and nothing comes of it. We don't always hear about them.

True, but this one is strange because we have heard about this not once, but twice now, involving the same exact individual. My theory is that we and Detroit are searching for a 3rd team (for whatever the reason may be). I am rather confident both of the GMs had a pretty good idea what the other could offer within hours of contact, if not less. Yet, it has been weeks since discussions started. I don't know if a potentially larger trade is brewing, but something is definitely holding the completion of this trade up. I did see the rumor that Malone wanted Smith, but PDA wasn't to keen on the idea. Maybe an internal conflict?

 

[pshn80]

True, but this one is strange because we have heard about this not once, but twice now, involving the same exact individual. My theory is that we and Detroit are searching for a 3rd team (for whatever the reason may be). I am rather confident both of the GMs had a pretty good idea what the other could offer within hours of contact, if not less. Yet, it has been weeks since discussions started. I don't know if a potentially larger trade is brewing, but something is definitely holding the completion of this trade up. I did see the rumor that Malone wanted Smith, but PDA wasn't to keen on the idea. Maybe an internal conflict?

Maybe an internal conflict and maybe not. One redeeming feature of this process is that they will make a public statement if a deal is struck.

 

[VF21]

True, but this one is strange because we have heard about this not once, but twice now, involving the same exact individual. My theory is that we and Detroit are searching for a 3rd team (for whatever the reason may be). I am rather confident both of the GMs had a pretty good idea what the other could offer within hours of contact, if not less. Yet, it has been weeks since discussions started. I don't know if a potentially larger trade is brewing, but something is definitely holding the completion of this trade up. I did see the rumor that Malone wanted Smith, but PDA wasn't to keen on the idea. Maybe an internal conflict?

Your signature - "The road to success is always under construction" - actually answers your question IMHO. PDA is building bridges, creating networks for future use. I think the whole "internal conflict" thing is overblown and exaggerated. The one thing everyone wants to do is build a winning team. The front office personnel and the coaching staff each have their assigned roles. The coach will work with the tools he's given, The GM will find the best tools he can to give to the coach. They may view things differently at tines but for the most part they'll do whatever it takes to work together to succeed.

 

[Prince_XY]

Yet, it has been weeks since discussions started. I don't know if a potentially larger trade is brewing, but something is definitely holding the completion of this trade up. I did see the rumor that Malone wanted Smith, but PDA wasn't to keen on the idea. Maybe an internal conflict?

I think PDA thinks that although Josh Smith is a decent shot blocker, he is still an undersized tweener we don't want guarding the bigger PF's in the Western Conference teams. Bigs that won't be good enough to play vs. Duncan and Aldridge comes playoff time, especially if you'll be tied for 3 years and will cost that much.

Malone is different. He believes on those undersized PFs like Landry on his team.

I think PDA is worried we're accumulating too many undersized PFs who can't match the bigger PFs in the Western Conference.

Where do we go if after a year Smith and Landry fail?

Wait another 2-3 years to move their contract?

 

[SacTownKid]

I think Smith could be a great asset and if he does what he did in Atlanta as a PF this team might have the combo of talent and skill to do serious damage. Hopefully this goes down soon. It would be horrible if it didn't work but this team could be screwed if Gay walks next summer anyway. They've taken gambles left and right so why stop now. He's the only player out there that does the combination of things they want in a player next to Cousins that is truly attainable.

 

[KingMilz]

Where do we go if after a year Smith and Landry fail?

Wait another 2-3 years to move their contract?

Where are we currently going? Pretty much nowhere we are probably heading down the path of Cousins getting pissed off and demanding a trade. I don't see why we don't do a Smith deal if all we give up is D-Will with Landry or JT.

We have to take risks, cause this current roster needs 1 more (at least) quality player and Smith is a quality player and is one of the few quality players you can get and nearly give up nothing to get. Unlike Rondo/Bledsoe who you would have to give up picks and the world for Smith/Sanders are both highly cheap due to the risk.

If it doesn't work out we probably lose Rudy Gay next year and have a good amount of cap space to build around a frontline of Cuz/Smith. I much rather take risks and fail than do nothing and stay like we have been past few years.

 

[VF21]

Where are we currently going? Pretty much nowhere we are probably heading down the path of Cousins getting pissed off and demanding a trade. I don't see why we don't do a Smith deal if all we give up is D-Will with Landry or JT.

We have to take risks, cause this current roster needs 1 more (at least) quality player and Smith is a quality player and is one of the few quality players you can get and nearly give up nothing to get. Unlike Rondo/Bledsoe who you would have to give up picks and the world for Smith/Sanders are both highly cheap due to the risk.

If it doesn't work out we probably lose Rudy Gay next year and have a good amount of cap space to build around a frontline of Cuz/Smith. I much rather take risks and fail than do nothing and stay like we have been past few years.

Do nothing? I think looking at the roster it's pretty obvious PDA has already done quite a bit.

 

[Entity]

Only 2 current players are currently with the team that finished the 2012-2013 season as a king.

 

[ParniValjak]

Only 2 current players are currently with the team that finished the 2012-2013 season as a king.

Its 3!

Cousins, JT and Outlaw

 

[KingMilz]

Do nothing? I think looking at the roster it's pretty obvious PDA has already done quite a bit.

I never said he didn't? I just said with the current line up we are going nowhere and we need another above average player like Smith and that we have to take a risk.

Edit : When I said do nothing I meant stay with the current roster bad choice of wording by me.

 

[VF21]

I never said he didn't? I just said with the current line up we are going nowhere and we need another above average player like Smith and that we have to take a risk.

Edit : When I said do nothing I meant stay with the current roster bad choice of wording by me.

Ah, okay. That makes sense.

 

[Entity]

Its 3!

Cousins, JT and Outlaw

Forgot about outlaw. Understandable

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Me too. And I think it's unfortunate because it would leave the Kings with Cousins as the only guy taller than 6'8". That's not a recipe for success in the bigger Western Conference.

And it would make it even worse that the Kings didn't hold onto Robin Lopez when they had the chance.

right. they thought paying carlos extra 500k is better than lopez. gotta love the defense vision they got going on

 

[Big Cuz 15]

Lol at people on realgm thinking we would be offering Ben + JT/Williams just to get Josh Smith. Why would we have to overdo it to get Josh Smith. They obviously want him gone and his teammates want him gone.

It sounds like Detroit thinks it has much leverage here. They want value AND they want to get rid of Smith's awful contract. I really really hope PDA stands his ground and doesn't give in to their requests. He has no reason to.

A third team definitely needs to be involved

think the ron jeremy look alike wants him out as bad as gerbil wants jt out.