John Salmons - All-Star potential?

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As we all know, there are so many players in the NBA that have all-star talent level but don't make the team. I.e Kevin Martin...or even Michael Redd. This guy has shown that he can consistently put up 20+ points on a regular basis when starting and he has so many moves. When he came here, he wasn't very dimensional, but now he's developed a VERY reliable jumpshot and is able to create his own shot pretty easily and can get to the rim with his slashing and spinning moves. What do you guys think?

BTW this isn't being discussed in any other threads :p
 
If he started at the beginning of the season, and did not come off the bench at all for the rest of the season for any reason besides him being unable to......maybe. He had his hot streak, but after he pouted about losing his starting job, even when he started after that period he was inconsistent at best.

The other problem is, the popularity contest. Who knows John Salmon's? Do the Kings have a winning record during that period?

I can name off some people who will be in the all star game next year, without seeing any votes, simply because of their name.

Kobe Bryant
Paul Pierce
Keving Garnett
Tracy McGrady (possibly)
Yao Ming
Gilbert Arenas
Lebron James
Dwight Howard (possibly)
Darren Williams
Chris Paul

That's 10 players right there. Salmons isn't popular enough. Neither is Marrtin yet. Not to mention there are a a few other talented people at his position.
 
No, it isn't being discussed in other threads, and there's probably a very good reason.

John Salmons all-star?

Um, no.

Next thread...
 
Yes! Potentially, he hits his first quarter three, every game. After he feels warm, the paint and the midrange are his to command. 23ppg 5ast and 6reb and 2stls will definately get him an all-star selection. Banking on that first quarter three, he only has to score 20 ppg to make the allstar team. He is dynamic, and sometimes wears a beard. I think the beard needs to grow before he gets the PT to be an allstar(maturity). Speaking of which, maturity will be a major theme is this years group of players, because talent is present, so are alot of other intangible team factors such as lack of major egos. The kings have a fairly youthful compilation of people, including Salmons(25ish). I hope they all catch the maturity bug, like boston did. like spiderman.
 
Salmons started 41 of the 81 games he played last season. He averaged 38.1 mins, 17.5 pts on 49.7% FGs (38.5% 3pt), 5.4 rbs, 3.5 asts, and 1.6 stls. Those are very good numbers and may have been better if he started all season.

Now I would be very happy with those numbers from our SF next season, but highly doubt they would bring an all-star spot.

For someone like Salmons to get the the all-star game, he has to put up spectacular numbers (and still might not make it). The only other way is for the fans of his team to stuff the ballot box.
 
VF21 said:
No, it isn't being discussed in other threads, and there's probably a very good reason.

John Salmons all-star?

Um, no.

Next thread...
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Word.

FakeInjury said:
Yes! Potentially, he hits his first quarter three, every game. After he feels warm, the paint and the midrange are his to command. 23ppg 5ast and 6reb and 2stls will definately get him an all-star selection. Banking on that first quarter three, he only has to score 20 ppg to make the allstar team. He is dynamic, and sometimes wears a beard. I think the beard needs to grow before he gets the PT to be an allstar(maturity). Speaking of which, maturity will be a major theme is this years group of players, because talent is present, so are alot of other intangible team factors such as lack of major egos. The kings have a fairly youthful compilation of people, including Salmons(25ish). I hope they all catch the maturity bug, like boston did. like spiderman.
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I thought you were actually joking at first. Too bad not.
 
I personally don't think that john salmons is all star potential
he plays his best when he is starting and when he is coming off the bench he doesn't play well and he pouts.
 
John Salmons isn't an all star:eek:. Well, just shoot him then..OK Ok just joking.:D I agree with Telemachus. Any SF on the team that can give me those numbers, I'm happy! I don't care if its bugs bunny. To make the all star roster you would probably have to put up close to 30 pts a game. Too many other good players out there. Isn't fair, but thats the way it is.
 
sacgirl88 said:
I personally don't think that john salmons is all star potential
he plays his best when he is starting and when he is coming off the bench he doesn't play well and he pouts.
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I have heard this a few times. When has he pouted? I really do not think Salmons has an ego problem. You guys are mistaking him for KT, who does not even pout anymore. Show me a quote in which Salmons can be considered "pouting". I call poppycock/shenanagins. He is a classy player, just not all-star material.
 
FakeInjury said:
I think the beard needs to grow before he gets the PT to be an allstar. I hope they all catch the maturity bug, like spiderman.
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I edited your post, as it was the mature thing to do. :D


I don't think he would be an all-star before Kevin Martin.
 
Kingzrool said:
I have heard this a few times. When has he pouted? I really do not think Salmons has an ego problem. You guys are mistaking him for KT, who does not even pout anymore. Show me a quote in which Salmons can be considered "pouting". I call poppycock/shenanagins. He is a classy player, just not all-star material.
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This is very true. Apparently John is an excellent member of the team and will play where needed. Bench play requires a different mind set than starting. Some players ARE better off the bench a la Ginobli, BJax, Corliss, possibly our Cisco, etc and have the mind set to come in fully charged and play right away. John I suspect needs to bet into the game more gradually as would a starter.

Very good, yes. All Star potential in the Western Conference, no. Any player just wants to know what he is to do and what is expected of him. Last year many players never did find that out. Big reason was likely the play of RonRon. By his seemingly wanting to solve the teams issues by himself, it became difficult if not impossible for many to know what was expected of them and what were their roles.

Salmons would come in for RonRon and it seemed many times that the team got a bit more cohesive and more team like. So I give John a bunch of slack. He may need to be the primary 3 off the bench if an obvious starter lands in a trade for RonRon (Marion, Odom, Howard, etc). John is a better defender than Cisco and more reliable scorer. When RonRon was out last year the team did well with Salmons at the 3.
 
I'll give John this: his offense is really underrated. Legitimate triple threat skills--slashes pretty well, shoots the ball decently, and has the ballhandling skills and court vision, when he puts his mind to it, to make things happen off the dribble. He came into the league billed as an all-around player, a sort of jack of all trades master of none type of prospect, with average athleticism; a versatile player who can play defense, essentially. Well, he's dispelled that notion with his surprising ability to score while displaying nice athleticism in the process. He doesn't have any real significant flaws in terms of skillset, and while his jumpshot and mentality are improvable, they're nothing major.

What I think is John's problem is his singular mode most of the time, or his approach to the game: he either just puts all his energy into scoring (albeit sometimes out of necessity) in one game, or just pouts and doesn't even fill up the stat sheet in others. I remember last year I'd literally shudder at games where he'd attempt 2 shots in 25 minutes per game, when I've seen him jack up 15 in like 30 minutes. He's never in full throttle passing mode, but I remember in the past he'd put up games where he'd have near triple doubles, especially with Philly--quite frankly, I'd like to see that version of Salmons again because scoring is so commonplace in the NBA. If he can establish himself as a jack of all trades scoring threat and put it all together rather than be a scorer one game, invisible/passer the next, I think he can establish himself as a very nice role player--let's just put it this way: if he were a FA this year, I'd say there would be many teams willing to give him the midlevel straight up within the first 2 weeks after the moratorium is lifted.

Saying all that, John by nature just isn't an all-star. He came into the league a role player and although he's elevated himself to near super role player status, his gameface just isn't meant to be that of a star's.
 
Telemachus said:
Salmons started 41 of the 81 games he played last season. He averaged 38.1 mins, 17.5 pts on 49.7% FGs (38.5% 3pt), 5.4 rbs, 3.5 asts, and 1.6 stls. Those are very good numbers and may have been better if he started all season.

Now I would be very happy with those numbers from our SF next season, but highly doubt they would bring an all-star spot.

For someone like Salmons to get the the all-star game, he has to put up spectacular numbers (and still might not make it). The only other way is for the fans of his team to stuff the ballot box.
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There's no way John Salmons makes the All Star team next season unless he puts up MVP numbers and the Kings (or whatever team he's on at that time, since I can't see him putting up MVP numbers in Sacramento) are at the top of the Western conference.

Since John Salmons ain't gonna put up MVP numbers, and the Kings ain't gonna be at the top of the West at the break (or any other point after the first 10 days of the season), he is not going to be at the All Star game in any role beyond spectator.

Just think about the players at his position(s) in the West.

Guards
Kobe Bryant (current MVP, umpteen All Star appearances)
Chris Paul (MVP runner-up, best young point guard in the League)
Steve Nash (former MVP, several appearances)
Deron Williams (second best young point guard in the League)
Kevin Martin (who won't make it either)
Baron Davis (several appearances, new team)
Brandon Roy (another young and up and coming star who probably won't make it)
Tony Parker (three-time NBA champion, former Finals MVP)
Allen Iverson (former MVP, a thousand appearances)
Jason Kidd (nothing need be said)

Forwards
Tracy McGrady (several appearances himself, in both conferences
Carmelo Anthony (several appearances)
Pau Gasol (missing link for the almost blown-up defending West champion LA Lakers)
Amare Stoudemire (arguably the best young big man in the League)
Tim Duncan (nothing need be said)
Dirk Nowitzki (former MVP, Finals contender, several appearances)
David West (up and coming star, first appearance last season)
Carlos Boozer (solid PF with prior appearances)
Peja Stojakovic (a couple prior appearances)

I'm sure I'm leaving a few players out. And it's the same story in the East, so even if he got traded to the Pacers and was the focal point of their offense, he still wouldn't make the All Star team without putting up spectacular numbers on a good, popular team. I like John, but it ain't hap'nin'.
 
Kingzrool said:
I have heard this a few times. When has he pouted? I really do not think Salmons has an ego problem. You guys are mistaking him for KT, who does not even pout anymore. Show me a quote in which Salmons can be considered "pouting". I call poppycock/shenanagins. He is a classy player, just not all-star material.
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After watching the same act in two cities now, I am in full agreement with A.I.'s other p-word assessment of John Salmons.

It is, however, pretty obvious that he will be an All Star this year. Quite possibly 2nd or 3rd team All-NBA. Along with Kevin and Brad as fellow All Stars, and with Beno as MIP and Jason as Rookie of the Year, things are looking up.
 
Bricklayer said:
After watching the same act in two cities now, I am in full agreement with A.I.'s other p-word assessment of John Salmons.

It is, however, pretty obvious that he will be an All Star this year. Quite possibly 2nd or 3rd team All-NBA. Along with Kevin and Brad as fellow All Stars, and with Beno as MIP and Jason as Rookie of the Year, things are looking up.
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I am bookmarking this post.
 
salmons an all star? maybe in nba live.... but not in real life unless kobe, tmac, manu, nash, iverson, kidd, parker, deron and paul get injured....
 
Telemachus said:
Salmons started 41 of the 81 games he played last season. He averaged 38.1 mins, 17.5 pts on 49.7% FGs (38.5% 3pt), 5.4 rbs, 3.5 asts, and 1.6 stls. Those are very good numbers and may have been better if he started all season.
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That was his stats?! Wow, I am surprised. No wonder the Kinds feel that Artest is expendable with Salmons and Garcia being able to play the SF.

To the question:
I think any player in the league CAN be an all star IF they have a big enough year. For Salmons to be an all star he would have to put up big numbers AND catch the attention of the media for fans to vote him in. He is just not known well enough.
 
Ain't gonna happen. A good solid player, but not an All-Star. There's no way his name will be on the ballot. Unless he is picked by the coach (who's name will NOT be Theus), there's no way.
 
If he can put up those stats with us winning and with other team mates playing well too then it's a possibility. But unlikely
 
I see the nonsense arrived since my departure yesterday afternoon. i know its TDOS, but lets not continue to talk about things that make 0 sense. The day John Salmons is an NBA all-star is the day americans give up cheesecake.
 
The guy obviously is talented, but all-star potential? If he had all-star potential, we wouldn't have been able to sign him with the mid-level exception. He is what he is
 
Bricklayer said:
It is, however, pretty obvious that he will be an All Star this year. Quite possibly 2nd or 3rd team All-NBA. Along with Kevin and Brad as fellow All Stars, and with Beno as MIP and Jason as Rookie of the Year, things are looking up.
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You forgot Spencer Hawes for DPOY. :cool:
 
i will go on record as the first person to say that beno will become the 2009 nba mvp... there i said it... he will lead the league in assists and steals. look out steve nash.... that will happen after salmons takes kobe's starting slot at the all star game....
 
If you think this thread is a joke, just ignore it. you act like it's such a big deal, jesus...
 
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