FakeInjury
Bench
Remember that finish against Dallas.....Whoa, talk about a break out play of the year for Salmons. He should be doing that every game.
He can play at that level, when he starts. I think his play was the main reason I was, and am, lobbying for an Artest trade. Artest is fine but as the label goes 'mercurial', A.K.A. bad decision maker.
I don't know why but I find the 'cant play off the bench' problems between him and KT totally different. I think KT is a whiner, where as I think John just has a honest mental block. I think John wants to produce off the bench but his brain is stopping him, where as KT just doesn't care when he's coming off the bench.
I don't know why but I find the 'cant play off the bench' problems between him and KT totally different. I think KT is a whiner, where as I think John just has a honest mental block. I think John wants to produce off the bench but his brain is stopping him, where as KT just doesn't care when he's coming off the bench.
OptimusRhyme
Jive Turkey
All-Star no. Borderline maybe.
FakeInjury
Bench
If nash was able to get MVP, Beno can too. Their talent level is fairly equal, other than Nash's ability to shoot leaners.
If beno had the culture behind nash's game;Kick its' with Kevin Johnson as a rookie, Kickits with Dirk for 5 years and now kickits with Amare and Shaq. We would be talking about Beno as if he was a future Hall of Famer, not nash. As for Salmons, he kicked it with Iverson for 5 years....enuff said, obviously there is going to be some mental taxes that need undoing. I think Salmons > Iverson, seriously, problem with Salmons is he doesn't know it yet.
If beno had the culture behind nash's game;Kick its' with Kevin Johnson as a rookie, Kickits with Dirk for 5 years and now kickits with Amare and Shaq. We would be talking about Beno as if he was a future Hall of Famer, not nash. As for Salmons, he kicked it with Iverson for 5 years....enuff said, obviously there is going to be some mental taxes that need undoing. I think Salmons > Iverson, seriously, problem with Salmons is he doesn't know it yet.
LOL is this a joke or something... John Salmons an all-star???? That has to be thr funnyiest comment I have heard on here in awhile... I really do hope Salmons gets traded with artest... Im really sick of hearing John complain about how he NEEDS to start in order to get 20ppg.. Thats BS.. If he is the good player he claims to be, he needs to suck it up and stop complaining... It really bothers me when the Kings and winning and everyone is celeberating and John is the only person on the bench with a big frown on his face because he didnt start...
sacgirl88
Bench
i couldn't agree with you more
i also hope that they trade artest and john together.
his mood gets on my nerves. on the other hand i like how cicso comes into the game with hustle and plays with heart and hustle (as long as he is being good francisco)
tyrant
Starter
i agree as well
I'd like a link, please, to any actual complaining Salmons has done. Make that at least three or four links, since your entire post is about how he's ALWAYS complaining, etc.
The problem with Salmons is that he simply isn't as effective off the bench as he is when he starts. He is not the new Kenny Thomas, demanding to start and pouting when it doesn't happen. In fact, Salmons has recognized the weakness in his own game, admitted it and tried to work on it. He's not a cancer by any means.
This being the more important of the two factors. I mean, to whatever extent that the former statement "might" be true, let's not delude ourselves into believing that politics has jack-all to do with why Salmons isn't going to the All-Star game...
bajaden
Hall of Famer
Ok, I will contribute to this nonsense. I find it interesting that one poster on another thread considered Salmons nothing more than a great D league player. And now some here consider him a potential all star. I suspect that the truth lies somewhere in the middle.
This summer is going to be real long, if this is the best we can do guys. As far as Salmons being a cancer. I've stated before, that from everything I've read, he's liked by all his teammates and the coaches. He has stated that he is as frustrated by his inability to play well off the bench as everyone else is. And, that it has nothing to do with his attitude about not starting. Now that doesn't change the outcome, but it also doesn't make him a cancer.
This summer is going to be real long, if this is the best we can do guys. As far as Salmons being a cancer. I've stated before, that from everything I've read, he's liked by all his teammates and the coaches. He has stated that he is as frustrated by his inability to play well off the bench as everyone else is. And, that it has nothing to do with his attitude about not starting. Now that doesn't change the outcome, but it also doesn't make him a cancer.
tyrant
Starter
it has to be his attitude. its bad and he's just another kt. there is no other explanation for it. you dont go from being a decent starter to an unproductive bench warmer because you're not in the game at tipoff. if anything his numbers shouldve increased because he's not gaurding a fresh man. manu can drop 20 whether he comes from the bench or not
Why does it have to be his attitude? That hasn't been in print anywhere. You can have a mental block if you're used to starting. You're also on the floor with a different crew, instead of the next 4 off the bench.
You're right though, he should be putting up decent numbers considering he's up against weaker competition during that time on the floor.
Got it.
Kingzrool
Starter
This was addressed on the first page of the thread.
This statement is way off base:
Maybe you should read your posts two or three times before hitting "submit reply". Just a suggestion.
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LOL hey VF I dont need a link to prove this point... you can watch and highlights of salmons from the past 2 years and its the same thing... nothing has changed wth salmons... If you want pror just watch and game that we won that salmons had nothing to do with... and watch him pout... Cant stand Salmons.... Artest is starting to get annoying but I think John is a problem more than artest..
I watch every single game, as my PBP's will attest. You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but this whole "Salmons is a cancer" routine is tired and old and wrong.
Salmons is more of a problem than Artest? In what universe?
Sorry but I simply don't think there are any facts out there to support your vague allegations - and "watch an(y) game that we won that salmons had nothing to do with" makes no sense whatsoever.
WHy not go back and watch all the games we could have won if RonRonMcBillBill hadn't decided it was up to him and him alone to save the day, despite having other players on the court WIDE OPEN and available?
John Salmons may not play as well off the bench as he does when he starts but it's not willful or intentional. And I say that after watching, as I pointed out, every game he's played while a member of the Sacramento Kings.
Entity
Hall of Famer
I am an Artest appolgist I admit. But to say Salmons is a cancer more so than Artest is (to put nicely) no smart. In fact I loved Salmons game when he was a starter. He can finish around the basket as good as anybody in the NBA. He is the reason why IF we trade Artest I don't want another SF back in the trade. I'd much rather get a draft pick and maybe an expiring old vet or something. But we must get a 1st round pick out of it. Unless one of the Gerald Wallace, Camello Anthony trades work out. Then its bye bye to John as well.
That's what makes Manu so special as a scorer. Same thing with Bobby Jackson and Tony Delk when they were here. JR Smith is that way, and so is Leandro Barbosa. Everyone doesn't have that sixth man of the year mentality.
Corey Maggette is an example of someone with a bad attitude coming off the bench. John Salmons isn't. Maybe we can talk about his mindset, his mental approach to the game when he's not starting compared to when he is, but to say that his attitude is bad because he's not as productive off the bench as he is starting is ridiculously unfair.
Hedo had the same problem coming off the bench for us. Some players are just more effective in the starting lineup, while others are more effective coming off the bench.
bajaden
Hall of Famer
No Tyrant, if you go back down memory lane, one of the knocks on Hedo was that he played much better when in the starting lineup than when he came off the bench. He did, in my opinion adjust over the years and become a good bench player. He also remains a damm good starter.
In truth, its not that unusual for players to have that problem. Its just more pronounced with some players. Salmons falls into that group. Its just a mental thing, and some have a harder time with it than others. It doesn't mean that they have a bad attitude though.
tyrant
Starter
Why?
Could it possibly be that coming in off the bench to a game that has already had it's tempo set by other players and instantly adjusting to the game is a hard thing to do?
I mean, think about the great bench scorers in recent history. Go all the way back to Vinnie "The Microwave" Johnson, and you'll realize that it's actually a rare phenomenon for a player to be able to deal with coming off the bench and being expected to score like a starter every night. (Johnson earned that nickname because he was one of the rare guys who could heat up quickly.) It's the reason the NBA has an award for the guy who's the best at it every year, because it's special. In fact, some guys like Ginobili are held out of the starting lineup because they play better off the bench than the guy that's starting over them, not because they're not good enough to start. Is that a mental thing also?
John Salmons is an average NBA player. Not great, but serviceable, and just good enough to be a potentially valuable part of a playoff team. He's not a superstar in the starting lineup and a dud off the bench. He struggles just like most other scorers do when they aren't in the starting lineup. It doesn't mean that he's weak-minded. It means he's a regular basketball player.
FakeInjury
Bench
he is weak. If he had a body like Artest, he would be better than artest is, and would be an allstar already. He might have poor genes, or he might not understand, every lb. he gains will help him 2x as much as no lbs gained.
Kingzrool
Starter
I am sure that that is it. He just does not understand. Its not like he has a whole team of professional coaches to help with conditioning or anything? I am thinking that you should probably go apply as they have obviously missed such an important factor, it seems they really need your assistance.
So what you're saying is that he's not a Tru Warier? Man, we all could see that.
...is it like this every off-season?
tyrant
Starter
i have no idea. i usually dont stick around the forums during the summer. the topics stink.
