JJ Reddick
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Bricklayer
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xyrin said:
Reddick though...mentioned before this guy has Steve Alford written all over him. Classically undersized/can't defend college guard who comes inoto the NBA and is overmatched every night by the size/speed he faces.
Maybe he's the special one that overcomes all that. But history has bad things to say about 6'4" college shooters hitting the NBA. Its like 6'1" OGs and 6'7" centers. Great in college, but bump them up to the next level, and rarely physically able to compete. Big time bust potential there. Of course I guess the flipside is that there's probably bust potential to any #19. But it has a distinctly Bobby Hurleyesque air to it.
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Fillmoe
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i would draft him and then use him as an asset in a trade to get a more valuable player....
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Fillmoe
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^ see: peja stojakavich
cdep73
G-League
The last thing the Kings need is an unathletic, undersized, defensive liability. Yes he can shoot, yes he was the NCAA NPOY. And? Look how much Jameer Nelson dropped in the draft. And then he was traded! Then only reason J.J. scored so many points is because Coach K focused his entire offense on him. Most of his shots come off of screens, double screens, whatnot. He made offense better I'll admit by trying to become a scorer, but still I don't think he be too good at creating his own shot in the next level. Also another reason he will struggle is because of the athletic guards in the NBA. If you watched his games this year, he struggles against athletic defenders(ex. UCLA in the tourney). Speaking of tournaments, he choked in the NCAA's year after year, so that can hurt teams when you need a player in key moments in the most important time of the season, say playoffs? Add the fact that I'm an avid UNC fans, I don't like J.J. on our team.
(For those who will think I'm biased, this is my unbiased opinion. Even if I didn't hate dook or like UNC I would still think J.J. is not what we need)
(For those who will think I'm biased, this is my unbiased opinion. Even if I didn't hate dook or like UNC I would still think J.J. is not what we need)
Thats the same kinda talk that people say about Ron Artest...
Who cares about what he does off the court... If he can ball, he can ball.
On the note of Kings picking him up... no thanks, not the position we're short on.
Big Cuz 15
All-Star
AND alot of defensive breakdowns which would lead to EZ *** POINTS FOR THE OTHER TEAM. PASS THE BOWL OF CHILI BRO. aren't you sick of seeing the other team break down our perimeter defense which causes our team defense to collapse. i don't know if you saw the spurs kings series but parker was strolling through the lane way too easily. oh don't forget about our offensively talented center who creates alot of space for our post players - brad miller who just watched as the spurs guards did lay up drills on us. i'd like to see us ship him out if we could get something good in return.
As currently constructed, the Kings should not take him, even at 19. However, he will absolutely be a 7th or 8th man for the next 10 years and be successful. Any current playoff team that needs bench shooting should jump all over him.
What's a DWI? That sounds like having a couple drinks, getting pulled over a little too far from home, and the cop feels like being the guy who arrested JJ Redick? It's not brilliant, but it's not riding a crotch-rocket sans helmet either.
What's a DWI? That sounds like having a couple drinks, getting pulled over a little too far from home, and the cop feels like being the guy who arrested JJ Redick? It's not brilliant, but it's not riding a crotch-rocket sans helmet either.
DWI is driving while intoxicated. He pulled an illegal u-turn and had a BAC of 0.11, with anything over 0.8 being illegal. The police then pursued him imto a parking garage before arresting him.
Sounds like you are trying to trivialize very bad behavior on his part. He was not the "victim" here by any means.
For more details:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/basketball/ncaa/06/13/redick.ap/index.html
hammystyle
Starter
If Redick is there at 19 I think Petrie will pull the trigger. I'd be cool with it too. Comparing him to Trajan is comparing a 27 ppg scorer to a 17 ppg scorer. We may not need shooting guards necessarily, but we do need 3 point shooting. Think Jeff Hornacek.
BTW- Speaking of short white guards, I love Mike Gansey from West Virginia. Maybe not picking him at #19 kind of love, but he is sick. He can shoot, defend, create his own shot, and is just a gamer. If we could swing a deal for a second rounder to take him, I'd be psyched. Think Jon Barry with better defense.
BTW- Speaking of short white guards, I love Mike Gansey from West Virginia. Maybe not picking him at #19 kind of love, but he is sick. He can shoot, defend, create his own shot, and is just a gamer. If we could swing a deal for a second rounder to take him, I'd be psyched. Think Jon Barry with better defense.
chaps
G-League
WOW. For someone that is so high on "saints" like Bonzi and Ron you sure are giving Redick some hate. I find it quite amusing that before this whole DWI incident (which I might add is quite stupid BTW), A LOT of people were calling him a choir boy because he had a very low-profile off-court demeanour since that whole freshman marijuana incident.
I don't support what JJ did, even if he made that mistake because he was pissed because of the back surgery he's gonna have to get, but he HAS been getting too much heat for this. The alcohol limit is .08 and he was at .11 . He was over the limit and breaking the law but it's not like he was s***faced either. Everyone here knows more than one person that drove with alcohol in their blood atleast once in their life. Some people get caught some people don't. As a celibrity, of course people are gonna blow it out of proportion and make a huge deal out of this. And yeah, i'm sure the constant hate Duke basketball players get from many people surely didn't help either.
JJ Redick made a mistake. Like we all have more than once in our lives.
chaps
G-League
As much as I love Duke, i gotta agree with you on this. He couldn't even guard athletic 2's at the collegiate level nor did he ever have the ball-handling to run the point. He was a product of the Duke system. Coach K just knew how to maximize the best of his abilities by running the offense through him by getting him open looks.
Although if he's there at 19 you gotta take him. He's a top 5-10 shooter in the NBA as soon as he'll hit the floor. Someone mentionned that he's just a 6-inch shorter version of Peja. I would have to agree on that, although I would add something to it. He's a 6-inch smaller version of Peja with a pair of balls. He has a competitive fire that is rarely seen in today's spoiled basketball prospects. On the court, the kid is extremely cocky and hates to lose. He is determined to win at all costs and to constantly improve his game. Which can't be said about Peja.
Will JJ be a bust? It might happen no doubt. IMO, it all depends on how whichever team that drafts him, uses his abilities. I will even go as far as to say that he probably would of even been a bust in college if Duke wouldn't of used him properly.
And for god's sake people it's REDICK. 1 D
The problem here is he doesn't seem to realize that ANY problems this close to the draft are bound to be magnified and fresh in people's minds.
How can you be dumb enough to drink and drive to begin with, much less as a potential NBA draft pick within the next couple weeks? This behavior shows a lack of maturity, of understanding the situation and of judgement. He may have cost himself a lot of $$$ by drinking that night and choosing to drive, then making at least what appears to be a minor attempt to get away from the police. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
GMs are going to wonder if he can't stay sober for a couple weeks until the draft is over, what other stupid things does he think is OK?
walker60
Bench
If we got a shotblocker or two (which we will), JJ would fit better. I never said start him and play him 35 minutes a night, but bring him in for 15-20 minutes a night to provide some shooting. We have several post players and JJ would create some more space for them. At pick #19, we wouldn't get anything better, plus he would contribute immediately. If Bonzi leaves, it wouldn't be a bad idea picking him up.
If Steve Kerr, Tim Legler, Paxson, and other shooting specialists can make it in this league I don't see why JJ can't at least be a decent bench player. The guy averaged 27 ppg while having a guy glued to his hip at all times or facing the occasional double team in college. In the NBA, no one is going to pay that much attention to him. I don't see why he can't average 10-12 points off the bench in the NBA depending on how many minuets he gets.
Oh and yes, I did see the playoff series...and no, I don't have any chili...
walker60
Bench
Will JJ be a bust? It might happen no doubt. IMO, it all depends on how whichever team that drafts him, uses his abilities. I will even go as far as to say that he probably would of even been a bust in college if Duke wouldn't of used him properly.
And for god's sake people it's REDICK. 1 D
Huh? The guy was the player of the year...Duke could have done everything short of playing him at Center and he wouldn't have been a bust...sheesh...
chaps
G-League
You dont watch much college basketball do you?
chaps
G-League
Will do.
Ill use your words against you same way you did with me. You said they could of played him anything short of center. Well ok, Point guard he would get beaten off the dribble. Small forward he's too small and not strong enough. Power Forward he's way too small nor strong enough. That leaves us with 2-guard.
The guy has a Reggie Miller type of game. He isn't very good at creating his own shot(although he did improve). If Krzyzewski runs his offense through Deng, Duhon or Shelden Williams than JJ doesn't put up nearly as many points as he did. Thus becoming very less effective. He has trouble scoring on one-on-one situations, ESPECIALLY against anyone athletic. He's very good at coming off screens and utilizing his teammates to get his shot off and Coach K saw that very early and milked it for all it was worth. He emphasized his strengths and tried to hide his weaknesses as much as possible in the Duke system. Which is why you saw him completely murder some teams this season. If Coach K has a different mindset and decides to use JJ Redick as a role player, and letting him fight for his shots like every other role player does, than he doesn't put up those numbers. IF, for instance, he would of played for a Larry Brown type coach in college, do you really think he would of seen that much PT when the only thing he's truly great at is shooting and can't really play D or handle the ball? IMO, absolutely not.
JJ Redick needs his teammates to be dangerous. Just like Reggie Miller did. If his pro coach doesn't understand that, then he will bust. If Kzryzewski wouldn't of understood that, he MIGHT of been a bust in college too.
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Bullcrap.
As long as some people are willing to make excuses for drunk drivers (he was upset because he's facing back surgery???????), people will continue to die on the roads needlessly.
I couldn't possibly care less what school this young man attends. It's not even part of the equation for me.
What's important is the erroneous attitude of "it's okay if he's drunk as long as he's not ****-faced"...
It's NOT okay. And this young man is in a position to be a role model for many other young people, whether he's willing to accept the responsbility or not.
When people drive drunk, people die. It's the only cause of death that is totally and completely preventable.
I'd like to put you in touch with a girl I know who lost her ENTIRE family because of a drunk driver. The only thing they were doing to contribute to their own death was to be on the road at the same time. Please do not insult them or anyone else by pretending DWI is nothing more than a college prank. It's very serious and potentially deadly. What part of "Don't drink and drive"? is so hard for people to understand?
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Well, having lost a few friends to drunk driving in high school I am less than forgiving of that idiocy -- incredibly selfish and stupid thing to do. And yet done all the time + people think its funny. ****ing kills innocent people. Yeah. Haha.
Nonetheless, it WAS an isolated incident as far as is known. And an isolated incident by a 21/22 year old. Basically, that stuff happens without it being the end of the world ethically/morally for a kid. Probably some helathy percentage of kids that age having done something stupid along those lines, most getting away with it of course. The question will be does he learn? Or does the entitled lifestyle of the NBA further spoil him?
Nonetheless, it WAS an isolated incident as far as is known. And an isolated incident by a 21/22 year old. Basically, that stuff happens without it being the end of the world ethically/morally for a kid. Probably some helathy percentage of kids that age having done something stupid along those lines, most getting away with it of course. The question will be does he learn? Or does the entitled lifestyle of the NBA further spoil him?
