IST Quarterfinals: New Orleans Pelicans at Sacramento Kings, 12/4/2023, 7pm Pacific 10pm Eastern (TNT)
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I remember. We would have gotten Nesmith and a first. We also likely would have lost 1 more game without Barnes which would have netted us Franz Wagner instead of Davion.
Hard to decide which is Monte’s worse move to date:
1) not trading Barnes
2) drafting Davion at 9 when you had Fox and Hali
3) not signing an impact forward this summer in free agency.
Hard to decide which is Monte’s worse move to date:
1) not trading Barnes
2) drafting Davion at 9 when you had Fox and Hali
3) not signing an impact forward this summer in free agency.
Don't strawman me lol. I never said he was perfect.
But when you're voted the best at your job in the best league in the world.... he doesn't deserve fake criticism for not trading for Aaron freaking Nesmith .
This also totally discounts the value HB has brought since. He's been bad this year, but he's been a starting wing for basically all his kings tenure.
But when you're voted the best at your job in the best league in the world.... he doesn't deserve fake criticism for not trading for Aaron freaking Nesmith .
This also totally discounts the value HB has brought since. He's been bad this year, but he's been a starting wing for basically all his kings tenure.
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I agree with the Barnes take as I don't think he has much, if any, trade value anymore, especially after last seasons total disappearing act in the post season. Davion is looking like a bad pick too.
I still think we're damn lucky to have Monte when you compare his "worst moves" to all the good he's done, much less the complete disaster era that was Vlade.
I still think we're damn lucky to have Monte when you compare his "worst moves" to all the good he's done, much less the complete disaster era that was Vlade.
I don’t disagree. Though Vlade is a bit of a low bar. Might be among the worst GM’s in history just based on the 2017 and 2018 draft alone.
We had the 10th pick with the following players on the board
10- Zach Collins
11 - Malik Monk
13 - Donovan Mitchell
14 - Bam Adebayo
19 - John Collins
22 - Jerrat Allen
23 - OG Anunoby
27 - Kyle Kuzma
29 - Derrick White
30 - Josh Hart
we came out with
15 Justin Jackson
20 Harry Giles
We had the 10th pick with the following players on the board
10- Zach Collins
11 - Malik Monk
13 - Donovan Mitchell
14 - Bam Adebayo
19 - John Collins
22 - Jerrat Allen
23 - OG Anunoby
27 - Kyle Kuzma
29 - Derrick White
30 - Josh Hart
we came out with
15 Justin Jackson
20 Harry Giles
1. Deleon Wright trade. Giving up 2 2nd round picks for Wright, who was awesome for us, only to flip him for TT in thr summer. I don't mind the cost of acquiring Wright, but became a tremendous waste when we flipped him for TT
2. Trading Jaden Hardy pick for 2 future 2nds. Would rather have had Hardy.
That's about it in terms of blatant missteps. Other things I can slightly disagree on, but don't think are overtly damaging
2. Trading Jaden Hardy pick for 2 future 2nds. Would rather have had Hardy.
That's about it in terms of blatant missteps. Other things I can slightly disagree on, but don't think are overtly damaging
That same year Steve Mills (and/or Scott Perry) came into the same draft with the 8th pick and all of those players on the board and came away with Frank Ntilikina.
That same year Donnie Nelson came into the same draft with the 9th pick and all of those players on the board and came away with Dennis Smith Jr.
That same game can be played over and over, but nobody ever plays it except when they have to a specific point they want to make. I don't find that sort of cherry picking a very compelling argument. "Didn't work out for us, we're the WORST! Didn't work out for other teams...ehhhh...don't really want to think about that..."
That same year Donnie Nelson came into the same draft with the 9th pick and all of those players on the board and came away with Dennis Smith Jr.
That same game can be played over and over, but nobody ever plays it except when they have to a specific point they want to make. I don't find that sort of cherry picking a very compelling argument. "Didn't work out for us, we're the WORST! Didn't work out for other teams...ehhhh...don't really want to think about that..."
I look at our roster: two all star/ all NBA players in Fox and Sabonis, established ++ role players in Huerter and Monk, a very promising 2nd year player in Murray, depth/ promise in the form of Ellis, Mitchell, Colby, Duarte, Lyles, Sasha, Len, that other tall dude whose name I can't think of but who has moments of value. Monte is doing OK.
I don’t get all the Negativity/Nitpicking.
Just remember less than 2 years ago we had a very unbalanced roster with players that didn’t fit. The team was going no where and we always looked forward to the next draft come Jan/Feb.
Now we have a team that looks like a perennial playoff team.
Got Huerter for the scraps left over from the Sabonis trade and a likely late 1st rounder.
Signed Monk on a super cheap deal because of Fox ( I doubt he signs here if we had Halliburton instead of Fox).
Picked Keegan over Jaden Ivey. I was on the pick Ivey team and i bet everyone now feels that Keegan was the right pick.
Signed the right coach for this team.
Are super deep now with cheap additions of Lyles, Vezenkov, Duarte, Mcgee
Fox is now a fringe MVP candidate and still can be better
We needed to sign a wing defender and after 1 offseason Murray has turned into a ++wing defender
We have most of our picks and good contracts to trade if need be.
A lot of people here over react after a loss calling for this guy/that guys head. It could be a lot worse we could be 6-13 and already looking towards the next draft. I am enjoying this team and i doubt this is the finished product
Management has done a GREAT job.
Just remember less than 2 years ago we had a very unbalanced roster with players that didn’t fit. The team was going no where and we always looked forward to the next draft come Jan/Feb.
Now we have a team that looks like a perennial playoff team.
Got Huerter for the scraps left over from the Sabonis trade and a likely late 1st rounder.
Signed Monk on a super cheap deal because of Fox ( I doubt he signs here if we had Halliburton instead of Fox).
Picked Keegan over Jaden Ivey. I was on the pick Ivey team and i bet everyone now feels that Keegan was the right pick.
Signed the right coach for this team.
Are super deep now with cheap additions of Lyles, Vezenkov, Duarte, Mcgee
Fox is now a fringe MVP candidate and still can be better
We needed to sign a wing defender and after 1 offseason Murray has turned into a ++wing defender
We have most of our picks and good contracts to trade if need be.
A lot of people here over react after a loss calling for this guy/that guys head. It could be a lot worse we could be 6-13 and already looking towards the next draft. I am enjoying this team and i doubt this is the finished product
Management has done a GREAT job.
Yeah good point here. I think Moody was the pretty clear pick and it's looking like a pretty big misstep on not grabbing him Johnson or Sengun with how Davions development is shaking out.
I didn't even look at Davion tape because I just never thought he'd be on our radar with Hali and Fox and I believe still had Bogi RFA rights. Just never saw a path where he could become a huge minute player
I didn't even look at Davion tape because I just never thought he'd be on our radar with Hali and Fox and I believe still had Bogi RFA rights. Just never saw a path where he could become a huge minute player
He was mocked around 7 for a lot of that season, so I don't think it was too crazy in terms of BPA.
But the justification I came around to is Monte should be following his BPA, not what everyone else thinks he should be doing. We all operate with significantly less information than he does as the head of a billion dollar organization designed to scout basketball talent. If Davion was there highest rated player, then that was the "right" pick at the time.
The result has just been very very disappointing. Especially with how perfect Johnson or Moody would be with this current core right now.
But the justification I came around to is Monte should be following his BPA, not what everyone else thinks he should be doing. We all operate with significantly less information than he does as the head of a billion dollar organization designed to scout basketball talent. If Davion was there highest rated player, then that was the "right" pick at the time.
The result has just been very very disappointing. Especially with how perfect Johnson or Moody would be with this current core right now.
Yeah, I just don't get it, when he already had two talented lead guards...and Mitchell wasn't really a shooting guard. Sometimes it makes the most sense to pick the next guy who could actually fit with your core group.
Picking Haliburton when he already had Fox was the right pick for best player available, but to then pick yet another point guard who isn't a combo, if for nothing else then because of a lack of length,... hard to figure
Picking Haliburton when he already had Fox was the right pick for best player available, but to then pick yet another point guard who isn't a combo, if for nothing else then because of a lack of length,... hard to figure
Guys don’t forget that this Monte guy worked this far having a team which didn’t reach playoffs for pretty good time …. I am sure stars weren’t jumping on the front line for coming over to Kings …
So I think is ok to say that he did really good job , now we are talking even for title …. We have to respect him for that
So I think is ok to say that he did really good job , now we are talking even for title …. We have to respect him for that
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