I love the debates we have on this site, and the differences in opinions. That only leads me to one conclusion. We do have a good team with a pool of talent. Ide like to start a tournament-ish kind of thread. You get one trade, re-arrange the starters as you please, and sign one free agent. Hopefully we can poll the top 3 responses and have everyone vote on the best overall GM work by members of this board. I will state mine in my next post. I wasn't too sure if this mite belong in the other forum, if so, simply move this our beloved moderators :/
I'll call this "in petrie's shoes"
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Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Jespher
Starter
Kings Out
Kevin Martin
Andres Nocioni
Spencer Hawes
Kings 2010 1st Round Pick
Kings In
Bobby Simmons ($11,242,666 Expiring)
Tony Battie ($6,606,600 Expiring)
Brook Lopez
Nets 2010 1st Round Pick (Top 3 Protected)
Nets Out
Bobby Simmons (Expiring)
Tony Battie ($6,606,600 Expiring)
Brook Lopez
Nets 2010 1st Round Pick (Top 3 Protected)
Nets In
Kevin Martin
Andres Nocioni
Spencer Hawes
Kings 2010 1st Round Pick
Why the Kings do this: Quality center, check, cap space, check, solving the wing conundrum, check. Toughness, check, rebounding, check, post scoring, check. With an All-Star quality center, and enough cap space to get another quality free agent (Simmons + Battie + KT = $27 Million in expirings), the Kings would be set for a serious championship run very soon
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Why the Kings don't do this: Coach Westphal has always liked smallerball teams, and Brook Lopez might slow down their approach too much. The Nets demand of both Spencer Hawes and Kevin Martin might be too rich for Geoffe to pull the trigger.
Why the Nets do this: A back court of Devin Harris and Kevin Martin would be dynamic, especially in the eastern conference, and that could lift them into the post season. They would be set there for the next 5+ years. Given the depth of big men in this draft they could get 1 or 2 quality inside players to compliment them, not to mention a good free agent this summer. Furthermore they would basically be getting 3 good players for 1.
Why the Nets don't do this: Brook Lopez is looking great and could develop into a perennial all-star. K-Mart also has an injury history that could scare off the Nets and Spencer has appeared to level off somewhat.
New Kings Line-up This Season:
PG Tyreke Evans/Beno Udrih/Sergio Rodriguez
SG Francisco Garcia/Omri Casspi/Ime Udoka
SF Donte Greene/Omri Casspi/Bobby Simmons (Expiring)
PF Jason Thompson/Jon Brockman/Kenny Thomas/Tony Battie
C Brook Lopez/Jon Brockman/Jason Thompson
Free Agent Acquisition 2010:
1A) Dwayne Wade (UFA) or 1B) Joe Johnson (UFA)
New Kings Line-up 2010-2011
PG Tyreke Evans/Beno Udrih/Sergio Rodriguez (RFA)
SG Dwayne Wade or Joe Johnson/Francisco Garcia
SF Omri Casspi/Donte Greene/Francisco Garcia
PF Jason Thompson/Jon Brockman (RFA)
C Brook Lopez/Nets 2010 1st Round Lotto Pick
http://www.kingsfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35122
Kevin Martin
Andres Nocioni
Spencer Hawes
Kings 2010 1st Round Pick
Kings In
Bobby Simmons ($11,242,666 Expiring)
Tony Battie ($6,606,600 Expiring)
Brook Lopez
Nets 2010 1st Round Pick (Top 3 Protected)
Nets Out
Bobby Simmons (Expiring)
Tony Battie ($6,606,600 Expiring)
Brook Lopez
Nets 2010 1st Round Pick (Top 3 Protected)
Nets In
Kevin Martin
Andres Nocioni
Spencer Hawes
Kings 2010 1st Round Pick
Why the Kings do this: Quality center, check, cap space, check, solving the wing conundrum, check. Toughness, check, rebounding, check, post scoring, check. With an All-Star quality center, and enough cap space to get another quality free agent (Simmons + Battie + KT = $27 Million in expirings), the Kings would be set for a serious championship run very soon
.Why the Kings don't do this: Coach Westphal has always liked smallerball teams, and Brook Lopez might slow down their approach too much. The Nets demand of both Spencer Hawes and Kevin Martin might be too rich for Geoffe to pull the trigger.
Why the Nets do this: A back court of Devin Harris and Kevin Martin would be dynamic, especially in the eastern conference, and that could lift them into the post season. They would be set there for the next 5+ years. Given the depth of big men in this draft they could get 1 or 2 quality inside players to compliment them, not to mention a good free agent this summer. Furthermore they would basically be getting 3 good players for 1.
Why the Nets don't do this: Brook Lopez is looking great and could develop into a perennial all-star. K-Mart also has an injury history that could scare off the Nets and Spencer has appeared to level off somewhat.
New Kings Line-up This Season:
PG Tyreke Evans/Beno Udrih/Sergio Rodriguez
SG Francisco Garcia/Omri Casspi/Ime Udoka
SF Donte Greene/Omri Casspi/Bobby Simmons (Expiring)
PF Jason Thompson/Jon Brockman/Kenny Thomas/Tony Battie
C Brook Lopez/Jon Brockman/Jason Thompson
Free Agent Acquisition 2010:
1A) Dwayne Wade (UFA) or 1B) Joe Johnson (UFA)
New Kings Line-up 2010-2011
PG Tyreke Evans/Beno Udrih/Sergio Rodriguez (RFA)
SG Dwayne Wade or Joe Johnson/Francisco Garcia
SF Omri Casspi/Donte Greene/Francisco Garcia
PF Jason Thompson/Jon Brockman (RFA)
C Brook Lopez/Nets 2010 1st Round Lotto Pick
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LPKingsFan
All-Star
Kings Out
Kevin Martin
Andres Nocioni
Spencer Hawes
Kings 2010 1st Round Pick
Kings In
Bobby Simmons ($11,242,666 Expiring)
Tony Battie ($6,606,600 Expiring)
Brook Lopez
Nets 2010 1st Round Pick
Nets Out
Bobby Simmons (Expiring)
Tony Battie ($6,606,600 Expiring)
Brook Lopez
Nets 2010 1st Round Pick
Nets In
Kevin Martin
Andres Nocioni
Spencer Hawes
Kings 2010 1st Round Pick
Why the Kings do this: Quality center, check, cap space, check, solving the wing conundrum, check. Toughness, check, rebounding, check, post scoring, check. With an All-Star quality center, and enough cap space to get another quality free agent (Simmons + Battie + KT = $27 Million in expirings), the Kings would be set for a serious championship run very soon and would even have a shot a a John Wall/Tyreke Evans back court
Why the Kings don't do this: Coach Westphal has always liked smallerball teams, and Brook Lopez might slow down their approach too much. The Nets demand of both Spencer Hawes and Kevin Martin might be too rich for Geoffe to pull the trigger.
Why the Nets do this: A back court of Devin Harris and Kevin Martin would be dynamic, especially in the eastern conference, and that could lift them into the post season. They would be set there for the next 5+ years. Given the depth of big men in this draft they could get 1 or 2 quality inside players to compliment them, not to mention a good free agent this summer. Furthermore they would basically be getting 3 good players for 1.
Why the Nets don't do this: Brook Lopez is looking great and could develop into a perennial all-star. Draft picks are more hit and miss...K-Mart also has an injury history that could scare off the Nets and Spencer has appeared to level off somewhat.
New Kings Line-up This Season:
PG Tyreke Evans/Beno Udrih/Sergio Rodriguez
SG Francisco Garcia/Omri Casspi/Ime Udoka
SF Donte Greene/Omri Casspi/Bobby Simmons (Expiring)
PF Jason Thompson/Jon Brockman/Kenny Thomas/Tony Battie
C Brook Lopez/Jon Brockman/Jason Thompson
Free Agent Acquisition 2010:
1A) Dwayne Wade (UFA) or 1B) Joe Johnson (UFA)
New Kings Line-up 2010--2011
PG Tyreke Evans/Beno Udrih/Sergio Rodriguez (RFA)
SG Dwayne Wade or Joe Johnson/Francisco Garcia
SF Omri Casspi/Donte Greene/Francisco Garcia
PF Jason Thompson/Jon Brockman (RFA)
C Brook Lopez/1st Round Draft Pick
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There's no way the Nets do that. You'd at least have to let them keep their pick, and possibly even switch out Noce for Kenny's expiring, for them to consider. I may be biased, but Lopez is that good. And I bet they feel the same way.
Jespher
Starter
It would all hinge on how high the Nets value Spencer Hawes. If they believe there isn't much of a drop off in potential from Lopez to Hawes and they are gaining Kevin Martin, then Geoffe might be able to persuade them. Also while Nocioni does have a couple more years on his contract, his salary actually decreases each year, making him well worth his salary. The Nets might also do this with top 3 protection on the pick, still giving the Kings a good player from the deal but allowing NJ to capitalize on a 1-3 range talent.
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beb0p
Starter
The NJ sport writers who covered the team said words out the Nets FO is that Harris and Lopez are untouchable.
It is going to take a lot more to make them change their minds.
King Baller
All-Star
Yep, you would have to overwhelm the Nets. Brook Lopez is that good.
I would do this:
Kings Out
Kevin Martin
Andres Nocioni
Spencer Hawes
Kings In
Bobby Simmons ($11,242,666 Expiring)
Tony Battie ($6,606,600 Expiring)
Brook Lopez
Nets Out
Bobby Simmons (Expiring)
Tony Battie ($6,606,600 Expiring)
Brook Lopez
Nets In
Kevin Martin
Andres Nocioni
Spencer Hawes
If that was not rich enough for the greedy Nets how about:
Kmart & Hawes for Simmons & Lopez!
Kings get their long term starting 5 & a ton of expiring.
Nets load up on Talent with 2 good players.
KB
Jespher
Starter
That was my original trade idea, but I spiced it up for this exercise. I hope the Kings go after a Brook Lopez level center with a Kevin Martin trade.
sidney
Starter
Similar deals already talked about by others so nothing groundbreaking here, but this is specifically how I would do it.
Feb Deadline Trade
Kings out/Hornets in:
Thomas
Nocioni
May
Kings in/Hornets out:
Okafor
Morris Peterson (exp 2011)
Darius Songalia (exp 2011)
Why for Kings: Major talent win, investment in defense, get a 10/10/2 guy that does not need a lot of shots to be effective. Shorten Nocioni's contract by 1 year and open up SF minutes for Greene/Casspi
Why for Hornets: The financial impact of this deal is huge and they are unlikely to match such a sweet financial deal from any other team. This single move saves them 4 million in salary this year and gets them under the tax line. Total savings 4M + 3.5M luxury tax + 5-7M bonus from other teams being over the tax line. One trade saves them 10-15M THIS YEAR. Next year it saves them close to 20M. They make this move if they think they are unlikely to make the playoffs, want to save major money, and need to shake things up.
FA Signing Summer 2010
This is a Bosh deal. Bosh is absolutely going to want that extra contract year and bigger raises this summer, which means he either signs with Toronto or it's a sign and trade. That, IMO, is our best chance to get him, not by trading at the deadline and hoping he resigns. To make a sign and trade work we have to position ourselves to be on Toronto's wish list AND Bosh's wish list. To get on Bosh's list we have:
Kings out/ Toronto In
Martin
Hawes
Darius Songalia (at that point will be an expiring Contract)
2011 1st round pick
Kings in/Toronto out
Chris Bosh - 6 year maximum salary deal (starting in the 17M area)
Why for Kings: all star big man to pair with Evans, locked up from 25-31 years of age. We are now contending for the next 5 years minimum.
Why for Toronto: if Bosh does indeed want to leave, I don't imagine there are any deals they will get better than a star scorer, young big, expiring contract, and a 1st.
Kings rotation going into 2011
PG: Evans/Beno
SG: Garcia/Greene/Beno/Peterson
SF: Casspi/Greene/Garcia
PF: Bosh/JT/Brockman
C: Okafor/JT/Brockman
One final note: if you add up the avg minutes played this year by Bosh, JT, and Okafor, it's 100 minutes. 96 minutes at PF/C a game so getting Bosh doesn't mean JT will be severely limited. There are 30+ minutes for him there without limiting minutes of Okafor and Bosh.
Feb Deadline Trade
Kings out/Hornets in:
Thomas
Nocioni
May
Kings in/Hornets out:
Okafor
Morris Peterson (exp 2011)
Darius Songalia (exp 2011)
Why for Kings: Major talent win, investment in defense, get a 10/10/2 guy that does not need a lot of shots to be effective. Shorten Nocioni's contract by 1 year and open up SF minutes for Greene/Casspi
Why for Hornets: The financial impact of this deal is huge and they are unlikely to match such a sweet financial deal from any other team. This single move saves them 4 million in salary this year and gets them under the tax line. Total savings 4M + 3.5M luxury tax + 5-7M bonus from other teams being over the tax line. One trade saves them 10-15M THIS YEAR. Next year it saves them close to 20M. They make this move if they think they are unlikely to make the playoffs, want to save major money, and need to shake things up.
FA Signing Summer 2010
This is a Bosh deal. Bosh is absolutely going to want that extra contract year and bigger raises this summer, which means he either signs with Toronto or it's a sign and trade. That, IMO, is our best chance to get him, not by trading at the deadline and hoping he resigns. To make a sign and trade work we have to position ourselves to be on Toronto's wish list AND Bosh's wish list. To get on Bosh's list we have:
- Tyreke as ROY and likely a regular all star until Bosh retires
- a defensive minded double double center in Okafor that both covers Bosh's weaknesses and won't take shots away from him
- an up and coming team on the rise
- a good coach - COY candidate
- lots of other young talent - Casspi, JT, Greene, etc.
- warm weather, California girls, etc. etc.
Kings out/ Toronto In
Martin
Hawes
Darius Songalia (at that point will be an expiring Contract)
2011 1st round pick
Kings in/Toronto out
Chris Bosh - 6 year maximum salary deal (starting in the 17M area)
Why for Kings: all star big man to pair with Evans, locked up from 25-31 years of age. We are now contending for the next 5 years minimum.
Why for Toronto: if Bosh does indeed want to leave, I don't imagine there are any deals they will get better than a star scorer, young big, expiring contract, and a 1st.
Kings rotation going into 2011
PG: Evans/Beno
SG: Garcia/Greene/Beno/Peterson
SF: Casspi/Greene/Garcia
PF: Bosh/JT/Brockman
C: Okafor/JT/Brockman
One final note: if you add up the avg minutes played this year by Bosh, JT, and Okafor, it's 100 minutes. 96 minutes at PF/C a game so getting Bosh doesn't mean JT will be severely limited. There are 30+ minutes for him there without limiting minutes of Okafor and Bosh.
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TTown Kings
Bench
^^^ That's pretty much my dream scenario right now as well. Although my starting lineup would be...
Reke
Greene
Casspi
Bosh
Okafor
Reke
Greene
Casspi
Bosh
Okafor
annihilator_33
Starter
I agree, let's get this deal done!Kenny Thomas for Dwight Howard..
sidney
Starter
Any big free agent deal is going to be a sign and trade these days. If we freed up enough space for Bosh in the first deal we'd still have to do the sign and trade route because he can make more money that way.
The Okafor for KT, Resigned Bosh for Martin & fillers is the "realistic dream" for many of us.
The Okafor for KT, Resigned Bosh for Martin & fillers is the "realistic dream" for many of us.
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