If you were Dallas... Would you trade Dirk for Oden?
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uolj
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Does it matter?
I would imagine the idea behind getting Oden is not to win right now. They would have a couple years to get their PF.
I wouldn't, if only because they are going absolutely crazy salivating over Oden here right now. Sure he's a total unknown and theoretically could be a complete bust but everyone's talking about the Blazers now and their ticket sales should be set for the next 3 seasons. The Blazers aren't ready to win now but they are stockpiled with high quality young talent that can grow together. Plus if he does pan out and has a long, healthy career its not already half over like Dirk's.
kupman
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Well, I can't say that I disagree with anything that you have said. I would however trade Oden to get Dirk to make the Blazers very competitive, very quickly. Ticket sales would not be an issue. Just looking at the next 3 years, Dirk could help Portland win a ton of games - and who knows, get a ring. I do not expect Oden's first 3 years to be spectacular (I could easily be wrong about this) and about the time he is becoming great, he may find that he can make more money somewhere else.....he could be on the Shaq track (hey, that rhymes).
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
I don't do it if I'm EITHER team.
a) Dirk is not going to make Portland "win now" to the degree to make it worth it (although two radically different 24-10 PFs on one team would be interesting). Nor are they trying to "win now". Keep Oden and you don't have to squint very hard to see them having a chance to own the West within 5 years, and for a long time therafter. If I was a fan of theirs I would be more than a little pissed if they suddenly lost their cahones and bailed out for a crowd pleasing parlor trick.
b) Dallas's collapse ruined a 67 win season. But it was still a 67 win season. I do not know if they can recover or not, but they are still sitting right in the middle of a true contention window. Those do not come around too often, and you get get one, you better hold it open for as long as possible. To bail on contending to go into rebuilding mode, presumably around Oden, Howard and maybe Harris would be passing up a golden opportunity that you wait decades to get.
a) Dirk is not going to make Portland "win now" to the degree to make it worth it (although two radically different 24-10 PFs on one team would be interesting). Nor are they trying to "win now". Keep Oden and you don't have to squint very hard to see them having a chance to own the West within 5 years, and for a long time therafter. If I was a fan of theirs I would be more than a little pissed if they suddenly lost their cahones and bailed out for a crowd pleasing parlor trick.
b) Dallas's collapse ruined a 67 win season. But it was still a 67 win season. I do not know if they can recover or not, but they are still sitting right in the middle of a true contention window. Those do not come around too often, and you get get one, you better hold it open for as long as possible. To bail on contending to go into rebuilding mode, presumably around Oden, Howard and maybe Harris would be passing up a golden opportunity that you wait decades to get.
GoGoGadget
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Yep. Easily.
If I'm Portland? Not a chance in hell.
Should probably add the disclaimer that I have completely irrational and unjustifiable dislike for Dirk Nowitzki, which probably taints my contribution to the thread.
If I'm Portland? Not a chance in hell.
Should probably add the disclaimer that I have completely irrational and unjustifiable dislike for Dirk Nowitzki, which probably taints my contribution to the thread.
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sloter
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Building around Oden would take rebuilding and bringing in new shooters / younger players and it would take a couple of years for them to be contenders. I don't understand why Dallas would go for that since they are already there now. Besides, everyone is switching to small ball and I'm not so sure about Oden's mobility and how he will adjust in the NBA. It's a risk, and an unnecessary one , if you're the Mavericks.
Bricklayer
Don't Make Me Use The Bat
Everyone switching to smallball only makes Oden all the more valuable. They can all run around looking pretty, and Portland will have one of the 3 or 4 guys in the league actually built to win titles.
As an aside he's actually extremely mobile for a player his size.
We've seen how far small ball gets you...
The NBA will have to adjust more to Oden then vice versa.
4cwebb
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Third.
I was trying to think of another player that any team could offer that would seem as exciting to Portland as Oden, and I actually can't think of any. Maybe Lebron since he's had success by himself (although it's in the East, where Kobe and Carmelo haven't had any playoff success on their own), and he's still really young. But I'm sure the Cavs would not go for it. I can't think of any other player in the league worth the trade from Portland's perspective.
chrisnu
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Hello all, I'm new to the forum.
I agree on both counts. Portland has the opportunity to cultivate a lot of young talent together in Jack / Roy / Aldridge / Oden. (Although I wonder if Jack may be packaged with Randolph in a trade.) Trading your new franchise player, even for a sure thing like Nowitzki, doesn't make sense because Portland does not have the components, right now, to be a contender.
For Dallas, you're trading the MVP (or the best player on the best team, if you like), in his prime, for young talent isn't necessary when they're capable of winning right now. Not to mention that Dallas already has Diop and salary albatross Dampier performing relatively effectively while platooning at center.
Entity
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Dallas needs to add a decent low-post scorer off the bench just for occasions such as Golden State. Corlis or Sar could have gotten it done.
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king07
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This thread is really stupid. Why would anybody trade a guy like Oden, who could be the face of a franchise for years to come, for some choker like nowitzki who has maybe 5 more good years.
vladetomiller
Bench
Dallas had a 67 win season, nothing can be taken away from that
Dirk was the key to getting them to that 67 wins for the season
They ran into a team and a coach who knew too much about the system, players and the current coach plus the matchups were favourable, that doesnt happen that often. That doesnt mean Dirk and Dallas are not contenders next year. I am guessing that group would be contenders for another three years atleast and they have a much better chance of winning it all than the suns.
For people who saying Dirk choked, tell me which player from any losing team in a series hasnt choked. Did Nash and Amare choke and lose game 6 or the series. Did Bron choke (I would say he is dumb but did not choke ). In todays game there are only a very few that have the talent and the will to carry a team on their shoulders.
Wade showed that he cannot carry a team as that team struggled without shaq and was playing under 500 ball. Bron has showed he cannot carry a team (Dont say his team sucks, if the team is good then he doesnt have to carry them and that team is not bad at all, they have some very nice pieces and its just that the team is not built in the best way but they have some talented pieces down to the bench )
TMac has shown again that he cant do much and he has been a big disappointment for me this season, I thought with Yao he should be able to do some damage and atleast reach the second round.
Vince is just a jump shooter now and he is a scorer but not a star or the impact player he was supposed to be.
Dirk was the key to getting them to that 67 wins for the season
They ran into a team and a coach who knew too much about the system, players and the current coach plus the matchups were favourable, that doesnt happen that often. That doesnt mean Dirk and Dallas are not contenders next year. I am guessing that group would be contenders for another three years atleast and they have a much better chance of winning it all than the suns.
For people who saying Dirk choked, tell me which player from any losing team in a series hasnt choked. Did Nash and Amare choke and lose game 6 or the series. Did Bron choke (I would say he is dumb but did not choke ). In todays game there are only a very few that have the talent and the will to carry a team on their shoulders.
Wade showed that he cannot carry a team as that team struggled without shaq and was playing under 500 ball. Bron has showed he cannot carry a team (Dont say his team sucks, if the team is good then he doesnt have to carry them and that team is not bad at all, they have some very nice pieces and its just that the team is not built in the best way but they have some talented pieces down to the bench )
TMac has shown again that he cant do much and he has been a big disappointment for me this season, I thought with Yao he should be able to do some damage and atleast reach the second round.
Vince is just a jump shooter now and he is a scorer but not a star or the impact player he was supposed to be.
kupman
Starter
Well maybe I is really stupid -
but here is my logic on why I would do it if I were Portland.
Oden is analogous to the super hot girl that you have just seen on campus. You know the one. The one that takes your breath away and you think to yourself 'I have got to make her mine.' However, you really do not know much about her other than she takes your breath away. She has flaws. You just do not know what they are. Maybe she cannot hold an intelligent conversation. Maybe she lives like a pig. Maybe her family is crazy. She may be just plain h*** to live with.
Dirk is the hot girl who you know. Yeah, she has flaws. Maybe she has disappointed you. But that cannot change that she is beautiful and is a really great person to boot. You could have a great life with her. She may even give you everything you have dreamed.
And maybe, just maybe, the first girl (Oden) is not only super hot, but she is also really smart, clean, comes from a great family and is perfect in every way. She is, in fact, the perfect catch that every man dreams of. However, she may be so great that some other guy comes along who is better looking and has more money and she leaves you for him at first chance.
Padrino
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stupid metaphor for a stupid thread? right on!
on draft day, oden will be sticking with the team that drafts him, which will, undoubtedly, be portland. in the season that follows, oden will be sticking with portland, as well. he'll be with portland for the duration of his rookie contract, and likely past it. to ask whether or not dallas would do it is irrelevent, because it is contingent on whether or not portland would do it, and they won't be parting with oden's potential, especially for a 7-footer like dirk who has recently shined his "soft" label. but to continue in the spirit of the above metaphor, free agency is, indeed, what portland should be worried about. of course, dallas isn't the rich, better looking guy that the first girl (oden) would run off with. ny and la are the markets that traditionally look flashy enough to actually entice big name free agents. then its philly, chicago, and boston, all to lesser extents. however, oden has personally expressed a desire not to play for a big city team, and has expressed relief about going to a smaller market, like portland. if that kinda small town humility sticks with him, then the question becomes: how badly does oden want to win? if he's a fierce competitor who's only desire is to win an nba championship, then perhaps he might defect, regardless of the size of the market. however, portland's future is promising enough and greg oden is young enough that these questions shouldn't even be asked for a few years, as he begins to make his mark on the nba.
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chelle
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Because as good as he was in college, there is no certainty to how well it will translate to the NBA.
That being said - I would LOVE to have Oden. I THINK that he will be a great player. I am not a Dirk fan, so I would take Oden over him anytime just because.
Yes, if you decided to re-frame the team. However, that is not happening and they still are a few smaller changes away from a decent shot.
I'd do Dirk + a little more for KG though. Both teams would get something back with fair value. KG plays some more D though and would show up more. Dirk would get to play on a team that has less pressure (relatively speaking).
I'd do Dirk + a little more for KG though. Both teams would get something back with fair value. KG plays some more D though and would show up more. Dirk would get to play on a team that has less pressure (relatively speaking).
uolj
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Did you even read the original post, or are you just referring to a couple of the responses? The OP specifically states to ignore whether Portland would deal Oden for Nowitzki.
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