I Will Still Be A Fan of THIS Team...

origkds

What- Me Worry?
#61
Maybe the corporate ownership will offer her a monetary incentive to stay where she is to help balance the money she loses by staying where she is. Maybe with that extra money she can afford a better house.
Times have been tough and I don’t think the corporate ownership can afford to give her any more money. Unfortunately my girlfriend’s job requires her to have a big beautiful house to entertain business clients. She cannot afford to buy a house like this so she has to rent. The house is so old that her landlord can’t fix all of the problems nor can he afford build her a new house. She really likes where she lives but there just aren’t any other houses in the area that suit her requirements, so sadly she is forced to leave.
 
#62
According to some around here you're only a real fan if you don't care where the team plays.
I've only felt that inference a little bit on this forum. But I was really pi**ed when I saw a TV interview with a potential "Royals" fan in Anaheim. When asked if he felt sorry for the fans in Sacramento, at all, he said, "Not really. If they are really fans they will stick with us!" I wanted to break my TV. I won't tolerate somebody in Anaheim telling me what being a real Kings fan means. :mad:
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#63
I've only felt that inference a little bit on this forum. But I was really pi**ed when I saw a TV interview with a potential "Royals" fan in Anaheim. When asked if he felt sorry for the fans in Sacramento, at all, he said, "Not really. If they are really fans they will stick with us!" I wanted to break my TV. I won't tolerate somebody in Anaheim telling me what being a real Kings fan means. :mad:
Personally, I'm not going to give an unknown fan from Anaheim that much power over my emotions. I could care less what someone I don't even know thinks. However, having met you, I do care what you think. And I hope that those of us down here, who have been loyal Kings fans, will be able to intice you to the Honda center at some point. If it comes to that.
 
#64
My buddy is a die hard Laker, Angel and Ram fan. I emailed him and asked him how hard it was when the Ram's moved. I told that there seems to be a clear divide between Kings fans as to who will continue to follow them and who will not. Here was his response:

"Yeah, it was tough but I was really young and didn't know any better. Plus I loved the team we had. I followed those guys since I was little kid. I just decided to hate the owner and not the team.


I still root for them obviously but I don't know what I would do if it happened right now. I would definitely still root for the team while it still had the same players but who knows. I would probably continue anyway. But it is another case of owner caring more about money than the fans (which is understandable but it would seem there's gotta be happy median).


If it's any consolation - I will continue to hate the kings as if they never left Sacramento."
 
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#65
Your not hurting the Maloof's or Anaheim, by turning your back on the team you have so much emotion invested in.
While this may be true, I certainly don't feel like putting more money into their pockets either. Which is exactly what happens if I continue to support the team. Basically I will not help or support the Maloof's. They will not get another cent of my money. Continued support means more $ for them, whether that be through internet advertising 'clicks', tv ratings, merchandise and ticket sales, etc. I personally can't do that...
 
#66
As others have said, I'll probably continue to root for the players currently on the team, but as the current team disappears the "Royals" would become just another team in the NBA to me. If it comes to that, then I'll just see how I feel. Right now, I'm a Sacramento Kings fan for life. If they move, even if I feel like it wasn't the Maloofs fault, I'd have to get rid of at least the "for life" part. Hopefully they or another team intrigues me enough that I find another "for life" team in the league, because I have no intention of quitting it completely. If the move happens, I'll mourn the city's loss and move on when I'm ready. I honestly can't say yet how it will end up.
 
#67
Personally, I'm not going to give an unknown fan from Anaheim that much power over my emotions. I could care less what someone I don't even know thinks. However, having met you, I do care what you think. And I hope that those of us down here, who have been loyal Kings fans, will be able to intice you to the Honda center at some point. If it comes to that.
Well, it doesn't take much right now to get me to a boiling point over this move. ;) I probably will go to the Honda Center for a game, when I happen to take my grandkids down to Disneyland. I'll wear a Sacramento Kings jersey, though.
 

bajaden

Hall of Famer
#69
While this may be true, I certainly don't feel like putting more money into their pockets either. Which is exactly what happens if I continue to support the team. Basically I will not help or support the Maloof's. They will not get another cent of my money. Continued support means more $ for them, whether that be through internet advertising 'clicks', tv ratings, merchandise and ticket sales, etc. I personally can't do that...
If your talking about money in the here and now, like going to a game, I understand. But I'm not sure how remaining a fan from sacramento after they've moved, puts money in their pocket. Unless you were to attend some games at the Honda center, or perhaps buy some or their products, I don't see how they profit from your being a fan. Unless you consider buying the NBA TV package as donating to the Maloof's. I'd be getting the NBA package regardless of the Kings.

Its interesting how the fan base has changed over the years. When they first moved here, there were people like me who had moved from big cities like St. Louis and Chicago etc. that were starved for any kind of professional sports. Somehow getting up in the morning and reading at length articles about Cordova high's football team just wasn't doing it for me. So when the Kings moved here, I, and many like me didn't really care how good or bad they were. We just wanted to see big time sports. I wanted to see Larry Bird and Michael Jordan up close and personal. And the Kings provided that for me. So despite the horrible years that followed, the arena remained sold out. And to be honest, until the Maloof's bought the team, I never for an instant thought this team could win a championship.

The Maloof's brought a new attitude along with them and they also brought money, and wern't afraid to spend it. So the team improved, and at the same time, the fan base changed. All of sudden just seeing professional basketball wasn't enough. It had to be winning basketball. By no means am I faulting that attitude. I'm all about winning. But I'm also all about supporting the team. Its been referred to by some on this fourm as a marriage or a girlfriend. Well everything isn't always hunky dorey in a marriage, or any relationship. But you don't divorce your spouse because you hit a few bumps in the road. At least I don't. But thats what happened. The team stopped winning, and the fans quit coming.

Prior to the Kings, the sports fans were so thirsty, they would have settled for just a drop of professional sports. Folks just aren't thirsty anymore. They will be again, when they go without for a while. But no one is going to show up and quench that thirst anytime soon, if ever. And thats a damm shame.
 

Capt. Factorial

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#70
Well, it doesn't take much right now to get me to a boiling point over this move. ;) I probably will go to the Honda Center for a game, when I happen to take my grandkids down to Disneyland. I'll wear a Sacramento Kings jersey, though.
As long as you sneak in rather than buy tickets!
 
#71
The Maloof's brought a new attitude along with them and they also brought money, and wern't afraid to spend it. So the team improved, and at the same time, the fan base changed. All of sudden just seeing professional basketball wasn't enough. It had to be winning basketball. By no means am I faulting that attitude. I'm all about winning. But I'm also all about supporting the team. Its been referred to by some on this fourm as a marriage or a girlfriend. Well everything isn't always hunky dorey in a marriage, or any relationship. But you don't divorce your spouse because you hit a few bumps in the road. At least I don't. But thats what happened. The team stopped winning, and the fans quit coming.

Prior to the Kings, the sports fans were so thirsty, they would have settled for just a drop of professional sports. Folks just aren't thirsty anymore. They will be again, when they go without for a while. But no one is going to show up and quench that thirst anytime soon, if ever. And thats a damm shame.
We know they know how to spend money. Making money is something different.

The world has changed alot since 1985. Much easier to watch sports on TV and the internet. But it still doesnt compare to live.
 

origkds

What- Me Worry?
#74
Well, it doesn't take much right now to get me to a boiling point over this move. ;) I probably will go to the Honda Center for a game, when I happen to take my grandkids down to Disneyland. I'll wear a Sacramento Kings jersey, though.
I wish I had a Sacramento Kings LaSalle Thompson jersey to wear!
 

pdxKingsFan

So Ordinary That It's Truly Quite Extraordinary
Staff member
#75
Everyone likes to use the bf/gf analogy when speaking about the Kings moving, but you all have it wrong. We aren't the jaded boyfriend/girlfriend who is getting cheated on; we're the kids stuck in between a horrible divorce. We're made to choose sides when honestly, they both are to blame.
I think there is a little of both. When playing the blame game it definitely seems that way, and the result is the same of a messy divorce - two parties looking out for their own selfish interests screw over the innocent party that really matters.

But the breakup analogy does work for those who are "married" for lack of a better word because this team represents our home town. Being an expat for half my life I have relied on the Kings for the slightest of inkling of hometown pride. If I saw a Kings hat or jersey on the East Coast or in SoCal or here in Portland it was an invitation to chat the person up. That will be gone if the team is repping a different city.
 
#76
This may all be true, but how many years had you been a Kings fan in '85?

Every fanbase has to start somewhere. Knowing general SoCal attitudes I am not terribly hopeful about their crew, but they can hardly be blamed for not having been a Kings fans as long as you. Some of them at least will learn. I'm not sure yet whetehr we as a board are going to persist or not, but if we do, maybe we'll even have a hand in getting some of them up to speed.
I was a Laker fan when the Kings his Sacramento.. Well as much of a Laker fan as a 10 year old could be. I had the Magic posters, and in the back to back years of the late 1980s I bought a few wheaties boxes and saved them. I got my Lakers tix from when I was in LA with my family and everything.. KAJ posters, Starter Jacket, hats, ect ect..

Then in 1991 (16 years old) my dad in his last ditched effort to make me a Kings fan took me to a Magic/Kings game. Kings lost 115-113 but that day a die hard Kings fan was born. Since then it's been EVERYTHING Kings for me. The Laker stuff is in a box in the attic at my parents house, and the Kings stuff is still out on my wall of my gaming room, and I even have a Kings full size pepsi machine.

When/if they leave I am done. There will need to be room for all this Kings crap that I have in my parents attic I guess since I don't have the heart to keep this stuff in my house. Anyone want to but a Kings pepsi machine? 6 buttons, and it doesn't take quarters or anything. All you do is press the drink you want :) Holds bottled beer too!
 
#77
Well, it doesn't take much right now to get me to a boiling point over this move. ;) I probably will go to the Honda Center for a game, when I happen to take my grandkids down to Disneyland. I'll wear a Sacramento Kings jersey, though.
Wonder if I did that if they would let me bring in some signs that show how much I hate the Maloofs. Maybe bring in some blank ones, and a felt tip pen so I could do it from my seat lol.. Of course I would wear my 55 Williams KINGS jersey, and score free tickets from someone that is too much of a bandwagoner to attend every game.

Have you seen how many free tickets you could get for Clippers games? Seriously, if you wanted to you could almost put together a season ticket for Clippers games with the amount of people that just give them away. With the exception of Laker, Heat, Spurs, Mavs, and a few other teams you could literally watch every home game for free as long as you were alone.

Some guy did that a few years back (if I remember correctly) and was able to attend 35 or so Clipper games for free just by looking online for people that were giving away their tickets. That's crazy.. He had almost a season ticket for free!!!
 

Warhawk

Give blood and save a life!
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#79
When/if they leave I am done. There will need to be room for all this Kings crap that I have in my parents attic I guess since I don't have the heart to keep this stuff in my house. Anyone want to but a Kings pepsi machine? 6 buttons, and it doesn't take quarters or anything. All you do is press the drink you want :) Holds bottled beer too!
A Kings Coke machine, you bet. A pepsi machine? No matter how much I like the Kings, that thing would NEVER be seen in my garage.
 
#81
It's your choice I know, but will you root for them??
Just saw this, Circa. I don't quite know how I will feel. I tend to be emotional about the things I love. I'm goping to hurt for a really long time. Watching the team in Anaheim would have to be through some tears for a while. All I can say right now, is that I won't root for anybody, except the Kings/Royals. I just may not floow quite as closely. I just don't know.

The only way I could see changing at this point is if I end up living in another NBA city someday, I could get attached to the local team. I know that won't be in the Bay area or in Laker land. I could never root for the Lakers or the Warriors.

Truthfully, I'm just a mess about this whole thing right now.
 
#82
A Kings Coke machine, you bet. A pepsi machine? No matter how much I like the Kings, that thing would NEVER be seen in my garage.
Well you can change the buttons lol.. They are clear and you can put in any label you want to. The outside of the machine is Kings though. All purple with a Kings logo on the front and sides.
 
#83
Every fanbase has to start somewhere. Knowing general SoCal attitudes I am not terribly hopeful about their crew, but they can hardly be blamed for not having been a Kings fans as long as you. Some of them at least will learn. I'm not sure yet whetehr we as a board are going to persist or not, but if we do, maybe we'll even have a hand in getting some of them up to speed.
It is my hope that this message board survives if indeed the team moves. I think it is very important that the history of this team survives any transition and that new potential fans who are looking to learn what this team is all about have place where they can go.

We need to help ensure that Laker hatred is properly distributed to all fans of the team, and even though there will be a natural rivalry between the OC and LA, it'll be important that voices from this message board stoke the fires.

I'm stopped at work all the time now as people want to talk about the potential move and ask me what I think of the whole situation. (I guess I stick out in my workplace, as everyone knows I'm a die-hard King's fan)

One of the guys I'd never spoken to before today wanted to talk for a bit. He was wearing an Angel's jersey and he told me that he's a Laker fan, but that he's a strong believer in supporting his local teams. He indicated that he wasn't quite sure what he was going to do just yet, but if the Kings moved he'd probably go to some games and take it from there.

Now obviously that is not a ringing endorsement as far as fan support from this one individual. But regional pride isn't only limited to Sacramento, and who knows, this guy might end up being as supportive of a local NBA team as he currently is of his Angels.

I hope that this message board is around to help promote the team, provide insights into the players, coaches, front-office, history, and the organization in general.

It's a little bit odd. For some reason everyone down here just assumes that the move is foregone conclusion, but I'm still of the mind that somehow Sacramento will do what it needs to do to keep the team. I love our players but I really hope that if they can end up winning a championship they do it as the Kings of Sacramento.
 
#84
I've been a die-hard Sacramento Kings fan since day one in 1985.

Before that I watched the Warriors but also Magic vs Bird. Once I learned that my hometown was getting an NBA team, I immediately pledged my allegiance to the Kings.

I used to wear my baby blue Sacramento Kings Starter jacket to elementary school and junior high school (I out grew my jacket by then). I was teased a lot for being a Kings fan because the other kids swore they were Lakers or Bulls fans. I even had my jacket cut by some of those students. I didn't care that the Kings sucked. They were my team.

My first Kings game was at the final home game at the first ARCO Arena. We lost to Portland badly. I didn't care. I got to cheer on my team in the upper deck. I was a part of history and still have the certificates that were given out to us for attending. I was so glad my dad took me to that game and I will never forget that experience.

While attending Sac State I bought a 15 game package to watch my Kings but to also see Michael Jordan play in what was to be his final appearance in Sacramento.

Now that I am a college graduate with a great career, I am blessed to be able to attend so many games at ARCO Arena but also on the road.

I have made friends within the Kings organization and invited them to speak to my students about the importance of a higher education.

Last December while in Los Angeles for the Kings at Lakers and Clippers weekend of games, my former dean and now a vice president at a community college down south told me about how his college will be hiring for a veterans counselor (my dream job). The college is less than 20 minutes from the Honda Center.

I turned down the opportunity to apply for my dream job. How many can say that? I did because I love Sacramento and still believe we can find a way to save our Sacramento Kings.

I was able to take my dad to a few games this season and I hope that I can take him again along with my children (when I have them) so there will be three generations of us to attend a Kings game.

I have done all I can to continue to fight the good fight and I will continue to do so until it's officially over.

If the Sacramento Kings move and become the Anaheim Royals, what will I do? I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

For the time being they're still our SACRAMENTO KINGS.
 
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#85
I think there is a little of both. When playing the blame game it definitely seems that way, and the result is the same of a messy divorce - two parties looking out for their own selfish interests screw over the innocent party that really matters.

But the breakup analogy does work for those who are "married" for lack of a better word because this team represents our home town. Being an expat for half my life I have relied on the Kings for the slightest of inkling of hometown pride. If I saw a Kings hat or jersey on the East Coast or in SoCal or here in Portland it was an invitation to chat the person up. That will be gone if the team is repping a different city.
The problem with the breakup analogy is that it seems to put the blame entirely on the Kings/Maloofs. We all know this isn't true. A more accurate picture is that there are 3 parties here - the good "loyal" fans (before you start jumping on me I'll clarify why I put that in "s later), the city (as in city council and politicians etc.) and the Maloofs.

All 3 parties want something, and all 3 aren't fault-free. I see the whole "Maloofs are choosing to move to a bigger city with lousy fans but where they'll make more money over staying here where the loyal fans are" accusation being thrown around a lot. But frankly speaking, if ARCO/PBP was nearly sold out every game I think that the Maloofs wouldn't be so eager (if they are even eager, considering how long they've stuck along) to move, even if a new arena wasn't built immediately. You can blame the Kings and all for not putting a better product on the court, but the general consensus is that true fans stick with the team through thick and thin.

Obviously if the Maloofs were making tons of money through other means then attendance wouldn't be that big of a concern. But for one moment, just put yourself in a business owner's shoes, and I dare you to tell me straight up that it makes good business sense to stay put in Sacramento given the low attendance the last few years and the whole arena issues and all, knowing that you aren't making money from your other ventures.

If you gathered all the fans and the city council and you gave them a chance to change what they did in the past, with the assurance that the Kings would then stay put in Sacramento, would they then attend more games, put in more effort to settle the arena situation etc.? My guess is yes, and that alone shows that none of the parties are blame-free.

All I can say is that it is terribly unfortunate that this is happening when the team is finally coming together and the future is bright.
 
#86
Wonder if I did that if they would let me bring in some signs that show how much I hate the Maloofs. Maybe bring in some blank ones, and a felt tip pen so I could do it from my seat lol.. Of course I would wear my 55 Williams KINGS jersey, and score free tickets from someone that is too much of a bandwagoner to attend every game.

Have you seen how many free tickets you could get for Clippers games? Seriously, if you wanted to you could almost put together a season ticket for Clippers games with the amount of people that just give them away. With the exception of Laker, Heat, Spurs, Mavs, and a few other teams you could literally watch every home game for free as long as you were alone.

Some guy did that a few years back (if I remember correctly) and was able to attend 35 or so Clipper games for free just by looking online for people that were giving away their tickets. That's crazy.. He had almost a season ticket for free!!!
Say what you want about the Maloofs, but don't diss them and humanity by comparing them to Donald Sterling.
 

pdxKingsFan

So Ordinary That It's Truly Quite Extraordinary
Staff member
#87
The problem with the breakup analogy is that it seems to put the blame entirely on the Kings/Maloofs. We all know this isn't true. A more accurate picture is that there are 3 parties here - the good "loyal" fans (before you start jumping on me I'll clarify why I put that in "s later), the city (as in city council and politicians etc.) and the Maloofs.
I agree that there are plenty of parties to blame, you didn't mention the local media which also hasn't done their job to present the facts. I do believe the city is more at fault than the Maloofs, however I think the Maloofs are the one that is forcing the move now while the city has finally started to get its act together, so I will never forgive them if they leave at this moment. If they did it pre-KJ, or in another season or two it would be much different.

The breakup analogy isn't about blame though. It's about the new reality that your partner is no longer your partner. If you wish to go on loving them even though they've taken on your rival as a partner, so be it. I guess that happens sometimes in breakups too.
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#88
There is an anti-rich people feeling in this city that has probably been here since the pony express and is the national mood the last few years. The Maloofs are seen as rich. From day 1 they have been called billionaires yet each individual Maloof is not a billionaire. The family may once have had a billion but certainly no more. Not in net worth. Most everything they own seems to be leveraged to the hilt and vulnerable to a bad economy. They wanted national attention and could not have predicted the economy crash. In a different way, I went down with them economically. I will dig my way out although I am old enough to be their father and don't have the nergy they have. Many have discussed finances just as a coule would discuss finances over the kitchen table. We can't influence finances so why bother if they aren't in some way connected to us in a dufferent way than Nordstrom's or Weinstock's which failed here also, didn't it. The president of Weinstock's was a neighbor of mine and I didn't care about their finances as much as I do the Kings.

The poor attendance of recent years is a direct result of the rebuild and the economy. The economy stopped even the most die hard fan from attending. Rich people can be hit hard and still have money left over for a game. Working class and the unemployed can't buy tickets. That's not the Maloof's fault. You have bad teams to get good rookies. We got Tyreke and Cousins. That's by plan and a little luck. It also leads to losses until they learn the game.

Now the team is ready to springboard into winning mode which has happened only one other time in the entire history of the Sacramento Kings. Once in 25 years. A tightly packed series of winning seasons sandwiched by losing seasons of epic proportions. We didn't yell at the original owners for the awful teams. It's a shame but I think the rich guys are not rich and are being backed into the corner.

I think it could still work here but it is dependent on a citizenry of a minority of the people in the area who just hapen to be indifferent or having their own troubles. The capital of California is not interested in the Kings and can't or won't see the big picture perhaps because of this anti-rich mind set.

The team is made up of individuals that are like family to me. We have fussed over Cuz. We have seen Tyreke get caught for speeding. We have debated Ron Ron who never did explode again. One almost died in an auto crash. One committed suicide, and a lot of them had great times here. Heck one of them married a dancer and got her fired. :) Some have maintained homes here. I have chatted with Terry Tyler as we were in line at a movie. I met his wife and picked on son Terrence. His son played against my son in basketball. Jim Les and Vinnie Del Negro have had basketball camps and because my daughter stood out, I chatted with them. I personally cannot look at the players and be dispassionate because they might not be here

I think most of us have been thinking long and hard and see that rich people have their own problems. As the Maloofs have been nothing but good for this city with the dontions and their flamboyance, I can't be all that angry. Doesn't mean I am not angry and the Maloofs get a portion of it but as with a lot of things the last few years, the economy changed and the culprit isn't all so clear. Anger is in the air and it is born from frustration. It has to be directed somewhere. It is difficult to be angry with one's self. Some one else is to blame.

If the Maloofs came to the games dressed to the nines and sat back in a luxury suite with guests out of sight, that would be one thing, but they sit at courtside and scream, whistle, and holler just like the rest of us. They are basketball fans.

I have a basic sense that the Maloofs wanted to make it work here as they didn't buy the team and steal it from the city the way Luckenbill stole it from Kansas City. They tried hard, were active in the community, (Thomas didn't even have a home here), and have donated oodles of money that they could use now.
 

Glenn

Hall of Famer
#89
I agree that there are plenty of parties to blame, you didn't mention the local media which also hasn't done their job to present the facts. I do believe the city is more at fault than the Maloofs, however I think the Maloofs are the one that is forcing the move now while the city has finally started to get its act together, so I will never forgive them if they leave at this moment. If they did it pre-KJ, or in another season or two it would be much different.

The breakup analogy isn't about blame though. It's about the new reality that your partner is no longer your partner. If you wish to go on loving them even though they've taken on your rival as a partner, so be it. I guess that happens sometimes in breakups too.
The city has seemingly been getting its act together many times before. Its act is now together to the point that Stern threw up his hands in disgust. What do outsiders see and experience that natives are blind to?
 

pdxKingsFan

So Ordinary That It's Truly Quite Extraordinary
Staff member
#90
The city has seemingly been getting its act together many times before. Its act is now together to the point that Stern threw up his hands in disgust. What do outsiders see and experience that natives are blind to?
I may not still live in Sac but I am a native. What do I see? I see a mayor who was elected to keep the team in town trying to do everything possible to do that. I see the railyards project secured federal funds and is finally set to move forward. I see the Natomas holdouts on the council voting for to proceed with an arena regardless of location realizing its no longer about their little niche of the city but the city itself. Do I think it is a done deal, of course not. I'm just sick of hearing that KJ hasn't done anything because he didn't produce immediate results. That doesn't happen anywhere this day in age. Not to mention that the first year plus of KJ's term was wasted on an NBA hand picked proposal that had more red flags than the Roman army. There's quite clearly a different mood about keeping the team than I ever saw when I lived in town or can remember since.