I demand George Karl is fired

Let's find out the truth first before we start calling for his head. I have a feeling the gerbil is involved...and I also have a feeling woj is going to be losing his credibility if it turns out he is slanting made up things against the kings
 
c-webb1s#1 said:
and I also have a feeling woj is going to be losing his credibility if it turns out he is slanting made up things against the kings
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Don't count on it. In this day and age of reporting, these guys are rarely, if ever, held accountable for anything they write. Nowadays it's more important to be first rather than correct. If what they've written is wrong, the blame is placed on the "anonymous sources".
 
Yes lets fire our coache because of some rumors. This whole story reminds me of some gossip magazine, where journalist claim to know something based on so called "close friend".
People should stop acting like this has any credibility. Same thing as the Malone firing. Everybody claims to know something just to sound important.
 
I love how people think the term snake in the grass is a saying reserved only for George Karl and never used otherwise.

NBA players are prima-donnas a lot of these probably refer to the barista who got their coffee order wrong.

That said cuz was probably referring to Karl.

:D
 
What if this source was actually from Vivek/Vlade... and they leaked it as a way to have public support for firing Karl, knowing he was a PDA guy (also knowing that Karl was indeed up to these shenanigans). That would be a rather epic move.

Then hire Thibbs pronto cause that's the coach Cuz wants, from his experience on Team USA. Now THAT would be epic.
 
Pretty crazy stuff coming out overnight, I'm predicting that one of the two will not be with the Kings at the start of the season. This could be a very interesting week. Just when I think we're on the right track this franchise continues to surprise me by reaching new lows.
 
The Hammer said:
What if this source was actually from Vivek/Vlade... and they leaked it as a way to have public support for firing Karl, knowing he was a PDA guy (also knowing that Karl was indeed up to these shenanigans). That would be a rather epic move.

Then hire Thibbs pronto cause that's the coach Cuz wants, from his experience on Team USA. Now THAT would be epic.
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What if this is just some journalist spinning around stupid rumors, cause the Lakers brought up their interest for DMC and he needs to add some more flavour to the storyline to generate clicks?
Don't read too much into those media hyperbolics.
Still PDA is the most popular scapegoat on KF.com. Based on what? Media speculations....
God bless the internet....
 
KingsFanGER said:
What if this is just some journalist spinning around stupid rumors, cause the Lakers brought up their interest for DMC and he needs to add some more flavour to the storyline to generate clicks?
Don't read too much into those media hyperbolics.
Still PDA is the most popular scapegoat on KF.com. Based on what? Media speculations....
God bless the internet....
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Well, that's always a possibility... but I can't accept that immediately either because these journalists to have a reputation to protect, especially the more trusted ones like Woj, Bruski, etc. I mean... they do actually try to get things right, looking at their records. Yours I find a slightly overly cynical view. Also consider that CD is backing the story... along with every major NBA writer. So it's not just "some journalist". These guys are risking their reputations with some very heavy accusations involving one of the games greatest living coaches. It's heavy crap in NBA writers stock.

If I'm guessing right now... I'm guessing the reports of Karl's activities are true. But it's still a guess. And we may never know. But I think we'll be hearing from the principals within hours.
 
The Hammer said:
Well, that's always a possibility... but I can't accept that immediately either because these journalists to have a reputation to protect, especially the more trusted ones like Woj, Bruski, etc. I mean... they do actually try to get things right, looking at their records. Yours I find a slightly overly cynical view. Also consider that CD is backing the story... along with every major NBA writer. So it's not just "some journalist". These guys are risking their reputations with some very heavy accusations involving one of the games greatest living coaches. It's heavy poopoo in NBA writers stock.
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There is no such thing as reputation in sports journalism. It's all about being first not about being right.
Pretty clear that I'm not that involved in your national media or local SAC media, but the general principles for sports journalism are the same no matter which sport or which country. Strike first - spin out of it later, if you were wrong.
Remember the media echo of the Malone firing, where it was all about the toxic relationship between PDA and Malone? And now those guys work together again.
Things are rarely as bad as they are made up by sports media.....
 
KingsFanGER said:
There is no such thing as reputation in sports journalism. It's all about being first not about being right.
Pretty clear that I'm not that involved in your national media or local SAC media, but the general principles for sports journalism are the same no matter which sport or which country. Strike first - spin out of it later, if you were wrong.
Remember the media echo of the Malone firing, where it was all about the toxic relationship between PDA and Malone? And now those guys work together again.
Things are rarely as bad as they are made up by sports media.....
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This bolded part would be incorrect if you look at Woj's history. Bruski's as well.

I do realize the French sports papers (maybe German too?) are absolute trash rags... and there certainly is a fair amount of bottom of the barrel stuff over here, but we also have guys who care about their reputations, and every single one of them is putting his name on this story.

Woj just doesn't report incorrect stuff. He might make a mistake here and there, or have a bad source, and again, this certainly may be the case. But if you know anything about the guy you can't just dismiss it out of hand. I'd say he's right on big stuff > 95% of the time.
 
The Hammer said:
This bolded part would be incorrect if you look at Woj's history. Bruski's as well.

I do realize the French sports papers are absolute trash rags... and there certainly is a fair amount of bottom of the barrel stuff over here, but we also have guys who care about their reputations, and every single one of them is putting his name on this story.
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Ok - even if they care about their reputation (after all you'll know these guys way better than me) What do they risk?
If DMC is not traded, they will lock this rumour into their desk, stating Vlade or Vivek overuled Karl. Just to bring it out again as soon as the Kings suffer another losing season to talk about the oh so toxic relationship between Karl and Cousins.
Sound like no risk at all to me. And even if Karl decides to step up and tries to put an end to all this, they can still blame their sources.
After all - we know nothing without actual quotes.
 
KingsFanGER said:
Ok - even if they care about their reputation (after all you'll know these guys way better than me) What do they risk?
If DMC is not traded, they will lock this rumour into their desk, stating Vlade or Vivek overuled Karl. Just to bring it out again as soon as the Kings suffer another losing season to talk about the oh so toxic relationship between Karl and Cousins.
Sound like no risk at all to me. And even if Karl decides to step up and tries to put an end to all this, they can still blame their sources.
After all - we know nothing without actual quotes.
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It works like that for some sports journalists... but not for Woj. As Brick said, he really is the gold standard. He has enough power/cred/column strength that he doesn't NEED to publish rumours as fact. He doesn't even need to risk it. What he really risks is the main thing he has going for him: people believing him as the most reliable NBA writer. If he starts publishing rumours... the next time he breaks a major story people will doubt it... and that has happened to a lot of guys (Ric Bucher) and nobody gives a rats ass about what they say anymore.

You're incredibly cynical my friend. Sports media where you live must absolutely suck balls and be filled with spineless tools. You'd think at least one person would rise up and be the guy who always gets it right.

BTW the rumor here is not that DMC is getting traded... it's that GEORGE KARL IS ACTIVELY UNDERMINING THE FRONT OFFICE AND ATTEMPTING A COUP TO OUST A HALL OF FAME TALENT.
 
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Vlade has to make it very well known he is top dog. **** it, fire Karl if you have to, I am tired of being a circus. Grab Thibs quickly and let's get this show on the road. I have no idea what this team/franchise has done to deserve this, but we are setting new standards of low seemingly every offseason. Every year, I tell myself, this is the year we turn this boat around. Every year, we sink a little more. DMC being traded? That is the torpedo that will sink us for good.
 
I actually wonder if there is a legal clause in his contract where it could be voided for insubordination. What Karl is allegedly doing should not be permissible under contract. "Conduct detrimental to the franchise" or some such.
 
where theres smoke theres fire.
Woj is a pretty decent guy. There's no way he blows his credibility up over a sacramento kings rumor.
again, where theres smoke theres fire. I hate that I'm a kings fan. Seems we have a lot of people here who are gluttons for punishment.
 
The Hammer said:
You're incredibly cynical my friend. Sports media where you live must absolutely suck balls and be filled with spineless tools.
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Right on the money Mr. Hammer ;)
Lets wait and see. I won't believe it, until I see a quote from Karl, Cousins, Vlade or Vivek.
If Woj proves me, that I'm wrong, I'll give him the credit he deserves.
 
KingsFanGER said:
Right on the money Mr. Hammer ;)
Lets wait and see. I won't believe it, until I see a quote from Karl, Cousins, Vlade or Vivek.
If Woj proves me, that I'm wrong, I'll give him the credit he deserves.
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Well, Karl will never admit this. He'll have to be fired. Even then, people and players won't want to bother with spilling the dirt, that just courts further trouble. If it's true, send him packing, and wish him well.
 
The Hammer said:
Well, Karl will never admit this. He'll have to be fired. Even then, people and players won't want to bother with spilling the dirt, that just courts further trouble. If it's true, send him packing, and wish him well.
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But when Karl will never admit this. How do we know if there is any substance behind this rumour? Most likely we will never know. All we can do is decide whom to trust. As long as Karl is the coach of the Kings and DMC is still part of this franchise I'll give him the benefit of the doubt.
 
Here is the only reason I have not already started polls and tried to get something going on social media:

this morning is a key, as I just tweeted to Karl himself. There are 2 possible ways this could have broke:

1) Karl really did this and is the snake in the grass.. This is Woj we are talking about. Most accurate NBA reporter there is. In which case I am 100% behind the sentiment of this thread. And in fact I want to quickly put together a contact list of the Kings, every minority owner, media figure, front office person etc. **** the old man if this true. Drag him out of town by his waddle and be done with it. You don't get to parachute into our little one horse franchise and kick our franchise player out of town to accommodate your desire to have one last comfortable run as the unchallenged lord and master. if that's the case we don't need you or want you.

2) PDA, and/or possibly Cousins' own agent are behind this. Outside manipulations using the media as a weapon to try to break our Cousins marriage. It could be. PDA could be the snake. If so then obviously the anger needs to be turned outward. This morning should tell us much. Its really a pretty shocking claim Woj made last night. I do not see how Karl, who always likes to talk to the media, can or would let that go unchallenged if its not true. If he says nothing, I'm assuming it is true and **** him. If he comes out and denies it, maybe we are under assualt from outside, not inside for once. Been so long since we weren't our own worst enemies its hard to remember how to even circle the wagons. Every time we do there's always one snake or another in the middle of them nipping at our heels.
 
NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do not trade Cousins!

Brick has it right. If it is Karl just fire him and take the money hit. If it is PDA have a press conference and squash all of this nonsense once and for all.
 
Karl has done this again and again btw.

He chased Kemp out of Seattle. He chased Ray Allen out of Milwaulkee. He chased Melo out of Denver. He accused Iggy of spying for the opposing team. He is and always has been a problem personality.

But he hasn't earned this, not remotely, Bad as all of the above and more garbage has been over his career, at least it was coming from an established coach who had been with his franchise from 4yrs, 6yrs, 8yrs, whatever. But George Karl has been with the Kings for 30 games. GAMES. He's nothing to us except some old dude who manipulated our desperation into a huge long term retirement package. He has not remotely earned this right if its even possible to earn the right to do something so enormously stupid.
 
Unfortunately as chris manix (sp?) just said on CD's show, even if we fire Karl there is no guarantee that that will placate cousins. At this point he has no trust in our FO. As chris said, we're probably at that point of no return with cousins.
 
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