I believe the rebuilding has begun

trading hedo was unavoidable... thats how we got miller... bobby and doug were a waste since neither player that we ended up with lasted more than a year... mobley and bonzi were a waste... if reef had been signed to a shorter contract than it wouldve been ok... but he wasnt, oh well.... we all know leaving wallce unprotected was a mistake, but there is no guarantee that he wouldve developed the same way on the kings...

drafting douby was the biggest mistake petrie made inregards to the current rebuild. passing on rondo, sergio, marcus williams or farmar cost this team about 5.8 mil.... not only that but we could have drafted a player at each position.....

pg-rondo/farmar/sergio
sg-martin
sf-garcia
pf-thompson
c-hawes

thats a good start at a rebuild as opposed to beno as the starter....
 
We got nothing for B-Jax or D.C . Let Hedo, Ronnie Price and Gerald Wallace walk...

Come on, now.

We traded Bobby for Bonzi Wells. He played pretty well for us, as I recall. He was a legit starter (adding 7.7 rebounds per game) at the SG that we got in exchange for a career sixth man. A good sixth man no doubt, but we got the better of the deal. It's not exactly our fault that Bonzi walked away (stupidly) from a 5/$39M contract offer the following summer. Plus that gave Kevin the starting job, so no complaints here.

Christie was dealt at the exact right time. He went down with injury/whining immediately after we traded him and played less than 800 minutes in his three-year post-Sacramento career. Cuttino Mobley wasn't anything to shout about, but at least we got 1600+ minutes out of him in his one partial season before letting him walk in free agency. We lost a year of Christie's contract and got more out of Cuttino in that season than Christie had left in his career. That's a good trade.

Hedo was part of the deal for Brad Miller. He was definitely NOT let to walk. We had to give something to get something. Cry about Brad's bad defense all you want, at worst this trade's a wash. Brad is a solid, scoring center coming on his sixth season of starting for us. Hedo has only been a full-time starter for two seasons - the three before that he started about half his total games.

As far as Ronnie goes, we made a qualifying offer to him, and then retracted it because he didn't want to sign with us. He wanted to play for the Jazz. What are you going to do? In any case, he's a career backup at the point who gave us one amazing dunk and was otherwise nothing more than adequate as a backup. We let Jason Hart go, too. Didn't see him get mentioned.

Wallace is the only one of the five where I think there's any room for complaint. Furthermore, it's the only one where we really ended up worse for it. And at the time, it was a defensible move, with Wallace entrenched on the bench and the Kings holding on to hopes of competing. I recall at the time being resigned to the fact that we would lose Gerald to the Bobcats before it was even announced he had been exposed. I don't remember there being another obvious choice - Webber was talked about under the assumption that Charlotte wouldn't want his contract, but that would have been a major risk.

Yeah, it's too bad we lost Gerald, and the Shareef signing was a mistake. But it's not like the sky is falling.
 
See Webber trade for something a bit worse.

i dont consider the webber trade apart of the rebuild... just the biggest mistake that this team has made this decade..... webbers contract wouldve been expired by now... summer 06 i think... and petrie and the maloofs made bibby/peja/miller the core of the team to build around... so trading him was the end of an era but not the beginning of the rebuild... thats why artest and bonzi were brought in...
 
trading hedo was unavoidable... thats how we got miller... bobby and doug were a waste since neither player that we ended up with lasted more than a year... mobley and bonzi were a waste... if reef had been signed to a shorter contract than it wouldve been ok... but he wasnt, oh well.... we all know leaving wallce unprotected was a mistake, but there is no guarantee that he wouldve developed the same way on the kings...

drafting douby was the biggest mistake petrie made inregards to the current rebuild. passing on rondo, sergio, marcus williams or farmar cost this team about 5.8 mil.... not only that but we could have drafted a player at each position.....

pg-rondo/farmar/sergio
sg-martin
sf-garcia
pf-thompson
c-hawes

thats a good start at a rebuild as opposed to beno as the starter....

What's wrong with Beno? And while we're on the subject, I still don't see what the big deal is about Sergio. He hasn't played a game in the league yet and is compared to Jason Williams. Marcus Williams hasn't impressed me thus far either. Rondo obviously would be great right now, as would Farmar. But as of right now I'd rather have Beno than 2 of those 4 guys. (But I still agree with you that Douby was an absolutely terrible pick)
 
we went from jwill and bibby starting at pg to beno... the drop in talent is scary... granted jwill and bibby are older than beno but still... id rather still have bibby, his huge expiring contract and sergio/marcus/farmar as the back up than beno making 7 mill in a couple of years with no back up... we bid against ourselves for beno and lost... no other team would have offered him that much... dont try saying the clippers because how do you go from possibly getting beno to signing baron davis? they could have had both if they really wanted him... probably for less money than what we're paying him.
 
i dont consider the webber trade apart of the rebuild... just the biggest mistake that this team has made this decade..... webbers contract wouldve been expired by now... summer 06 i think... and petrie and the maloofs made bibby/peja/miller the core of the team to build around... so trading him was the end of an era but not the beginning of the rebuild... thats why artest and bonzi were brought in...
How was that not apart of the rebuild. That trade was even said to be done for tradeable parts. It certainly wasn't done to further a championship run. It seems like it was done to begin a retooling.
 
With Spencer (hopefully) looking like he will eventually be able to step in for Brad at the 5 spot, Jason Thompson looking like he could eventually be a solid starter at the 4 on this team, and with Beno, Kevin, and Francisco being solid and relatively young contributors I feel as if we have a very decent and pretty young core.

That leaves the 3 spot. With Ron Artest most likely not playing on this team at all, we need to find a good replacement here. IMO, this piece needs to be a true star, or superstar, that can mesh well with our current pieces. This could be done through trade or the epic off-season of 2010 everyones been talking about...

With most of our big (and useless) contracts expiring after the 2009-2010 season, this is most likely the time we can aquire a stud free agent to fill the small forward position for us. Though I'm not sure who is exactly available that off-season, I've heard so much great things about those players that there should certainly be one to fill that void. We just need Petrie to be smart and not make any stupid and useless signings and to also be able to lure a big-time free agent to Sac-town.

PG: Beno, (hopefully Bobby-Jackson-type back up: Bobby Brown or SS?)
SG: K-Mart, Douby (not sure about him), draft pick, signee, Garcia
SF: Star free agent or trade acquisition, Garcia
PF: Jason Thompson, (Maybe resign Mikki to smaller contract), Sheldon
C: Spencer Hawes, signee or draft pick

Also, throw in a couple more first round picks and signed players here and there.

Now, before I get to excited, this will only make us competitive if, and only if; Spencer pans out, JT pans out, Udrih continues playing well, we find a bench outside of Garcia, and we (knock on wood) stay injury free. Remember, we've only seen half of a solid season from Beno (and he got injured), only about 10-15 minutes of reserve time for Spencer last year, and only some summer league play from Jason Thompson.

A lot of things can happen between now and then (major trades, injuries, Geoff deals out some more of his genious MLE contracts to players like Mikki Moore, etc...) All in all though, I'm feeling pretty good about our Sacramento Kings team and definately feel as if they are going in the right direction.
 
yeah but this team doesnt really have an identity yet... so its hard to feel all that confident in the finished product when you have no idea what they are building. this is where i miss adelman the most... he was kinda like phil jackson, the offense he ran was the teams identity.... no matter where phil goes the triangle will be there and the right players will be brought in to run it.... same would go for our old offense... oddly enough the players that we have would play in it really well... even douby would seem a lot more useful playing in that offense, he would be the perfect back up pg...
 
we went from jwill and bibby starting at pg to beno... the drop in talent is scary... granted jwill and bibby are older than beno but still... id rather still have bibby, his huge expiring contract and sergio/marcus/farmar as the back up than beno making 7 mill in a couple of years with no back up... we bid against ourselves for beno and lost... no other team would have offered him that much... dont try saying the clippers because how do you go from possibly getting beno to signing baron davis? they could have had both if they really wanted him... probably for less money than what we're paying him.

But in your post you specifically refer to our starting PG as Rondo/Sergio, etc. You didn't even mention Bibby. And I think Beno earned his contract with his play last year, if he keeps it up that is. While I don't like the length of it, I don't mind giving him the full MLE. IMO we were a better team last season with Beno starting than we were with Bibby starting
 
If i remember right Hedo was part of a 3 way deal that sent brad to sac, hedo to S.A, and Pollard to the pacers. there was one more player but i dont feel like searching.

But as i mentioned before its not rebuilding as long as brad still wears kings colors.
 
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If i remember right Hedo was part of a 3 way deal that sent brad to sac, hedo to S.A, and Pollard to the pacers. there was one more player but i dont feel like searching.

But as i mentioned before its not rebuilding as long as brad still wears kings colors.

Danny Ferry to the Pacers (but I think he was waived immediately)
 
How was that not apart of the rebuild. That trade was even said to be done for tradeable parts. It certainly wasn't done to further a championship run. It seems like it was done to begin a retooling.

The Webber trade was not done as part of a rebuild in the way we generally use the term. It was, however, an attempt to reload on the fly, so to speak, since they were really scared of Webber's knee and the humongous amount of money they were going to have to pay him for the remainder of his contract.
 
It would have been better to keep him. I bealive his contract would have been over this year but odds are he would have retired before it came to that.
 
this is some really slow rebuilding... and i cant even tell what kind of rebuild that they are shooting for... mediocrity is not something that i look for in basketball... i like hawes and i like what ive seen of thompson... but do either players have that superstar potential?

martin looks like he'll always be that 2nd tier, good player on a bad team, star... i love him too but thats what he looks like. beno wouldve been a great back up... not really looking forward to him being the starting pg for the next 5 years...

unless petries plan is to sit on his butt, let all of the older players expire and build through the draft with late lotto picks then he's doing a great job... because blowing mle every year on players that dont deserve it isnt really working.

welcome to kingsfans....




I don't think that any of us are looking for mediocrity. I doubt that Petrie is looking for it either. How fast of a rebuild are you looking for? How long do you think is too long? Everyone, no, let me rephrase that, some people are holding up Portland as the poster child of rebuilding. Tell me this. How long has Portland been in a rebuilding stage? The Kings have been out of the playoffs for two years. Tell me, how long has it been since Portland has been in the playoffs?

Martin is a second tier player. What exactly does that mean to you. Does it mean that he's a player that will always be the second option on the team, and, if so, what is wrong with that? Everyone can't be a superstar. Are you telling me that you wouldn't want Scotty Pippin on your team, because he's a second tier player.

How do you know that Beno is nothing more than a backup? I don't know. So how do you know? Do you have some crystal ball that gives you this wonderful insight. If so, share it with the rest of us. Beno is 25 years old, and, about to be the starting point guard on a team at the beginning of the year for the first time in his life. I have no idea how good or bad he's going to be. And, because I have no idea, which I can't have, until I have something to base and idea on, such as seeing him play for an entire year. I don't make stupid statements about his future potential.

You asked at the beginning, do either Hawes or Thompson have superstar potential? Well I suspose that Hawes, Thompson, Beasley, Rose. O.J. Mayo etc., all have superstar potential, so I don't see the point of the question, unless its to imply, that they don't. I don't think thats what you meant to imply. If the question is, will Hawes or Thompson become superstars? Who the hell knows, and, for the Kings to become a good team again, its not necessary that they become superstars. It would be nice, but not necessary. Lets go back to Portland again, and don't get me wrong, I like what Portland has done. But, how many superstars do they have on their team? I think at present, the answer is none. And yet, a lot of us envy their team, and rightly so.

I've been way too long winded here, so I'll stop. But lets be thoughtful and senseable in our statements. If someone doesn't like the way the team is being rebuilt, or how a player played a game. Fine, but explain why. Don't say that a player is a D league player, without explaining why you think so. Give reasons and facts. Otherwise, its just hot air.
 
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trading hedo was unavoidable... thats how we got miller... bobby and doug were a waste since neither player that we ended up with lasted more than a year... mobley and bonzi were a waste... if reef had been signed to a shorter contract than it wouldve been ok... but he wasnt, oh well.... we all know leaving wallce unprotected was a mistake, but there is no guarantee that he wouldve developed the same way on the kings...

drafting douby was the biggest mistake petrie made inregards to the current rebuild. passing on rondo, sergio, marcus williams or farmar cost this team about 5.8 mil.... not only that but we could have drafted a player at each position.....

pg-rondo/farmar/sergio
sg-martin
sf-garcia
pf-thompson
c-hawes

thats a good start at a rebuild as opposed to beno as the starter....

On this we are in agreement. Especially on Douby. Not my first choice, or second , or third and so on.
 
Alls I know is we have a great young player in Martin, and 3 young bigs with potential (which is something all of us Kings fans have wanted for about 3 seasons now).

Not to mention we're going to be major free agent players in 2010 (assuming anyone wants to come play in Sac).

Now of course we all want a rebuild like Portland has going for them. But I dont think things are as dark as they were a couple seasons ago when the franchise was mired in indecision. It definately seems the days of 'quick fix to make the 8th seed' are over.


Its only a matter of time before Ron goes (no big deal really, he's basically an expiring)...I wouldnt be surprised to see Miller stick around this season to play the role of mentor (also, Hawes isnt really ready to start - not that I would mind starting him and getting a higher draft pick in 09) and get traded when he's a huge expiring.
 
Welcome to the wild wild west or left coast from an old timer who once went to PS #1 in NYC. Far away views are always welcome and add a bit to the rantings of the regulars. Be funny if RonRon ended up in NYC as part of a multi-team trade, eh??? :)

That would be funny. I have heard rumors that he wanted to be in NY. Thanks for the welcome from the wild wild west.
 
Martin is a second tier player. What exactly does that mean to you. Does it mean that he's a player that will always be the second option on the team, and, if so, what is wrong with that? Everyone can't be a superstar. Are you telling me that you wouldn't want Scotty Pippin on your team, because he's a second tier player.

You asked at the beginning, do either Hawes or Thompson have superstar potential? Well I suspose that Hawes, Thompson, Beasley, Rose. O.J. Mayo etc., all have superstar potential, so I don't see the point of the question, unless its to imply, that they don't. I don't think thats what you meant to imply. If the question is, will Hawes or Thompson become superstars? Who the hell knows, and, for the Kings to become a good team again, its not necessary that they become superstars. It would be nice, but not necessary. Lets go back to Portland again, and don't get me wrong, I like what Portland has done. But, how many superstars do they have on their team? I think at present, the answer is none. And yet, a lot of us envy their team, and rightly so.


we all know that mayo, beasley and rose have superstar potential... just like we knew that oden and durant had it last year... hawes and thompson arent in the same category as those guys...

the blazers are kinda like the pistons, they dont have a surefire superstar though oden will be that player once he gets going. now that i think about it, portland started their rebuild around the same time as the kings did. yet they are light years ahead of the kings... rasheed was traded the season before webber but the blazers got active from the start making major moves in the past couple of drafts... the only draft pick they didnt trade was oden.... they quickly built a team full of good, young players who will need a couple of seasons to adjust... but once they do.... it will be something else. (i know the kings didnt start their rebuild when webber was traded but they did have moveable pieces that werent moved so they could start rebuilding.)

they drafted randy foye and traded him for roy. drafted ty thomas and traded him for aldridge. drafted brandon rush and traded him for bayless. traded cash for sergio. traded for frye... unfortunately darius miles got injured. they have lafrentz huge expiring contract this season and their 2nd highest paid player makes less than shareef does on the kings... damn good job....

i hope that hawes and thompson become good players... martin is already a good player, but we are far, far away from being a good team. i cant see how we can become a great team with beno as our starting pg without having a real superstar on our team. he would be fine on the lakers, he'd be fine in boston, he'd be ok on the cavs, he'd even be the perfect back up for the suns... but he will not be the piece that makes this team great or even good....
 
we all know that mayo, beasley and rose have superstar potential... just like we knew that oden and durant had it last year... hawes and thompson arent in the same category as those guys...

There is a difference between knowing something, and believing something to be true. Many think that those players have superstar potential, but none of us know that. Until they prove it on the court (which none of them have yet), we won't know. There are several players every year designated as "can't miss", that miss badly. And there are players every year that turn into star players that no one expected.

the blazers are kinda like the pistons, they dont have a surefire superstar though oden will be that player once he gets going. now that i think about it, portland started their rebuild around the same time as the kings did. yet they are light years ahead of the kings... rasheed was traded the season before webber but the blazers got active from the start making major moves in the past couple of drafts... the only draft pick they didnt trade was oden.... they quickly built a team full of good, young players who will need a couple of seasons to adjust... but once they do.... it will be something else. (i know the kings didnt start their rebuild when webber was traded but they did have moveable pieces that werent moved so they could start rebuilding.)

First, lest Oden play before deeming him anything. He has to prove that his talent translates to the NBA, and prove that his knee is no longer a problem.

Secondly, trading Webber was NOT the beginning of the Kings rebuild. They were still a team contending with the best at that time. And while the Kings have missed the playoffs the past 2 seasons, the Blazers haven't been there for the past 5 seasons. They didn't do this overnight.

Thirdly, I like what Portland had done. But they haven't accomplished anything yet. They looked great the first half of last season, but showed their youth by falling apart in the second half.

i hope that hawes and thompson become good players... martin is already a good player, but we are far, far away from being a good team. i cant see how we can become a great team with beno as our starting pg without having a real superstar on our team. he would be fine on the lakers, he'd be fine in boston, he'd be ok on the cavs, he'd even be the perfect back up for the suns... but he will not be the piece that makes this team great or even good....

I can never understand why we as fans like to point to 1 player not making the difference between being average and great as a reason NOT to want him. One player does not make a team good or great UNLESS he is a superstar. That is why you build a team of good players and try to bring a great one into the mix.

If you try to build a bad team to get a draft pick or create cap space, then no players want to come to your team because they don't see how they can make a big enough difference.
 
we all know that mayo, beasley and rose have superstar potential... just like we knew that oden and durant had it last year... hawes and thompson arent in the same category as those guys...

the blazers are kinda like the pistons, they dont have a surefire superstar though oden will be that player once he gets going. now that i think about it, portland started their rebuild around the same time as the kings did. yet they are light years ahead of the kings... rasheed was traded the season before webber but the blazers got active from the start making major moves in the past couple of drafts... the only draft pick they didnt trade was oden.... they quickly built a team full of good, young players who will need a couple of seasons to adjust... but once they do.... it will be something else. (i know the kings didnt start their rebuild when webber was traded but they did have moveable pieces that werent moved so they could start rebuilding.)

they drafted randy foye and traded him for roy. drafted ty thomas and traded him for aldridge. drafted brandon rush and traded him for bayless. traded cash for sergio. traded for frye... unfortunately darius miles got injured. they have lafrentz huge expiring contract this season and their 2nd highest paid player makes less than shareef does on the kings... damn good job....

i hope that hawes and thompson become good players... martin is already a good player, but we are far, far away from being a good team. i cant see how we can become a great team with beno as our starting pg without having a real superstar on our team. he would be fine on the lakers, he'd be fine in boston, he'd be ok on the cavs, he'd even be the perfect back up for the suns... but he will not be the piece that makes this team great or even good....

Portland has done a great job of rebuilding but let's not forget that they also got the biggest LUCK out of all the rebuilding teams ie #1 pick overall Greg Oden. Projected to be a GREAT hall of fame center (before his knees became news) and that was when they were like a #6 slot!
How do you like our team if it was the Kings that got lucky that year?! Imagine Oden with Martin, Garcia, Miller, Artest (or whatever we get for him), Udrich, Thompson, Salmon. This would be our team.

Udrich, Singletary/Brown
Martin, Garcia, Douby
Artest, Salmon
Thompson, Sheldon, Thomas, Rahim
Oden, Miller


Not too shabby huh?
 
Something about Paul Allen having the Mayo. Anyways, yes the foundation has been laid and a course has been set for the 09' seasoning. The team has one of a kind players and if they all fit well, they have a chance to win every night. although, I wouldn't bet on it. In fact, Rebuilding has gotten us alot younger. Youth doesn't usually win, therfor, unless Ron shows up, it is looking like a poor starting lineup. Defensively, we have no size without artest anchoring a defense, and our bigs aren't ready for the big show. A point guard competition is a good thing, but if one team member is alienated pg's have the biggest mouths, and we have a bunch of pgs. the team has alot of "Ifs" to exceed before they start to climb the power rankings, and beleive me, they are not starting at more than 20 once the NBA rankings appear. That means we dont make the playoffs. If so, KABOOM, we should be playing rooks only. which means we are rebuilding, beno is facilitating, and martin is refining, ill be watching.
 
If Josh Smith remains a hawk this year and becomes a unrestricted FA next year the Kings need to lock that guy up.
 
I agree. Alot of great players were picked late in the draft. Take Kobe for instance I think he was like the 23rd pick. Dont quote me on that but all Im saying is I think Thompson was our best choice.


That's just it. You never know how good someone is going to be coming into any pro sport, but I think the NBA draft is the biggest question mark. In basketball you really have to guess who you going to be good or a bust (outside of one or two special players in every draft). Yeah, there are some big hit and misses in the NFL, but nothing like the NBA.
 
That's just it. You never know how good someone is going to be coming into any pro sport, but I think the NBA draft is the biggest question mark. In basketball you really have to guess who you going to be good or a bust (outside of one or two special players in every draft). Yeah, there are some big hit and misses in the NFL, but nothing like the NBA.

Yeah, and in football, its a little easier to hide your mistakes. First you've got 11 players on the field, and second you have a 40 man roster. Don't quote me on the 4o man part. But you see what I mean. If you make decent to good picks with your 1st and 2nd round picks in football, everything after that is forgotten unless they become a star, or your me, and you remember every pick. Comes from being masochistic.:eek:
 
Yeah, if Portland doesn't luck out and get the #1 pick we actually look better than them at this point. Unless you think Geoff Petrie should be able to control the ping pong balls, he has been doing just as good a job as Portland has.
 
they played without oden this year and were a borderline playoff team up until the end of the season... the kings were garbage the entire season... i dont see how they'd be better than the blazers unless they got the number 1 or 2 pick last year and oden actually played for the kings.....
 
Yeah, if Portland doesn't luck out and get the #1 pick we actually look better than them at this point. Unless you think Geoff Petrie should be able to control the ping pong balls, he has been doing just as good a job as Portland has.

Disagree. Portland's front office aren't just lucky, they're smart. I think they'll be a playoff team this year even without Oden. They somehow managed to grab Brandon Roy and LaMarcus Aldridge in the same draft, both of whom I thought deserved to be the #1 that year. Then they got Bayless this year, who should've been #4 at the worst. I like our young players a lot, especially what I've seen from Thompson, but I like Portland's more

PS, I agree that Geoff has been doing a good job considering the circumstances
 
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