How many players CAN the Kings have on their roster?

[CruzDude]

I've been guilty of saying a variety of things about roster size and how many players a team can and cannot have and what are the minimums and maximums, etc. So I went to Larry Coon's Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA)web site, www.cbafaq.com to find out. Here is his item 64:

64. What roster size limits exist? What is the Inactive List? What is Injured Reserve?

A team must have 12 players on its active roster, although they can drop to 11 for up to two weeks at a time. They must suit up at least eight players for every game. Any remaining players must be on its Inactive List, and are ineligible to play in games.

A team must have a minimum of one and a maximum of three players on its Inactive List, although they can drop to zero for up to two weeks at a time, and can temporarily have four with league approval in the event of a hardship. The composition of the Inactive List can change on a game-by-game basis -- no less than 60 minutes prior to tipoff, the team must present to the official scorer a list of the players who will be active for that game. A player can be inactive for as little as one game.

While individual teams are only required to carry 13 players (12 active and one inactive), the NBA also guarantees a league-wide average of at least 14 players per team. The league is surcharged if they do not meet this obligation.

Injured Reserve is the previous name for the Inactive List. It was originally intended for players who were injured and unable to play, however teams often used it as a convenient place to stash extra players. While a medical reason was required for players to be put on Injured Reserve, the league did not insist on an independent physician confirming the diagnosis. Thus it was common for a seemingly healthy player to suddenly develop "back spasms" right before rosters were cut to 12 players, and spend the entire season on Injured Reserve as a result. With the current CBA they gave up the ghost, dropped the medical requirement, and changed "injured" to "inactive."

Players assigned to the NBA Developmental League (see question number 66) are automatically placed on their team's Inactive List.


So the Kings must have a minimum of 13 players on its roster one of which must be inactive. They can have up to a maximum of 15 but then 3 must be inactive. I guess I understand. But who will be the 12/13? anybody's guess.

 

[Smills91]

As is the Kings roster looks something like this: These are the players with contracts as of right now.

C: Brad Miller, Mikki Moore, Spencer Hawes
PF: Kenny Thomas, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Justin Williams
SF: Ron Artest, Francisco Garcia
SG: Kevin Martin, John Salmons, Quincy Douby
PG: Mike Bibby, Mustafa Shakur


From the Looks of it, it appears we have 13 players under contract which means we have the flexibility of adding 2 more contracts if we so desire...maybe 3 if Shakur gets cut due to the fact that his contract is non-guaranteed.

I have a feeling that ONE of those contracts would go to Corliss Williamson at a vet min.

I think he may eventually become a assistant coach for our franchise when his playing days are through.

 

[Gtronic]

C: Brad Miller, Mikki Moore, Spencer Hawes
PF: Kenny Thomas, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Justin Williams
SF: Ron Artest, Francisco Garcia
SG: Kevin Martin, John Salmons, Quincy Douby
PG: Mike Bibby, Mustafa Shakur


Wow, this makes me sad

 

[Bricklayer]

C: Brad Miller, Mikki Moore, Spencer Hawes
PF: Kenny Thomas, Shareef Abdur-Rahim, Justin Williams
SF: Ron Artest, Francisco Garcia
SG: Kevin Martin, John Salmons, Quincy Douby
PG: Mike Bibby, Mustafa Shakur


Wow, this makes me sad

Hey! When you find something that works, stick wit...

oh.

er.....

 

[GoGoGadget]

Actually doesn't look so bad if everyone plays to their potentual. But we all know that won't happen.

It looks bad again when you realize that the starters, as in those who'll get most of the minutes, already do play to their potential and it still ain't a winning combination. The kids could end up playing at or above their "potential" but it's doubtful they'd end up with enough minutes for it to make much of a difference.

Good times...

 

[CruzDude]

I think last year was tainted by the Musselmen Factor and none of the Kings got the chance to play to their potential, part of which is the stability of the rotation. Since there was no rotation much less any stability, the players likely played without direction most of the year.

So...... Coach Theus recognizes and faced up to that situation as soon as he was selected. He will likely be "a players coach", something Muss was not. So my KingsFans spouse and I have thrown last year down that rabbit hole and acknowledge "Toto, we're not in Kansas any more" (Muss territory).

My excitement is to see what Coach T, whoops we have one of those, Coach Reggie, can do in training camp. Come Oct 26 at the Kings-Lakers game in Las Vegas, we will see what has our new coach god has wrought. Wonder if they carry the full load of 15 or drop down to 13. THAT is the question.

 

[Miles and Miles]

I think last year was tainted by the Musselmen Factor and none of the Kings got the chance to play to their potential, part of which is the stability of the rotation. Since there was no rotation much less any stability, the players likely played without direction most of the year.

So...... Coach Theus recognizes and faced up to that situation as soon as he was selected. He will likely be "a players coach", something Muss was not. So my KingsFans spouse and I have thrown last year down that rabbit hole and acknowledge "Toto, we're not in Kansas any more" (Muss territory).

My excitement is to see what Coach T, whoops we have one of those, Coach Reggie, can do in training camp. Come Oct 26 at the Kings-Lakers game in Las Vegas, we will see what has our new coach god has wrought. Wonder if they carry the full load of 15 or drop down to 13. THAT is the question.

Agreed. I am excited to see what Reggie does with the team. Like I said before we DID make a major change (Coach) and hopefully that will help. I am dwelling on the positive . Hopefully he will change our starting PF, please no more KT and SAR.

 

[Jerryaki]

Agreed. I am excited to see what Reggie does with the team. Like I said before we DID make a major change (Coach) and hopefully that will help. I am dwelling on the positive . Hopefully he will change our starting PF, please no more KT and SAR.

i said the same thing last year about muss; i am approaching this season with a lot more caution and trepidation now.

 

[Miles and Miles]

I don't like either selection (Muss or Reggie) but my positive outlook keeps me going. I think/thought we need a veteran NBA coach. But that's water under the bridge at this point.

 

[VF21]

i said the same thing last year about muss; i am approaching this season with a lot more caution and trepidation now.

Musselman was a control freak who got started on the wrong foot and never recovered.

Reggie has been both a player and a successful coach, albeit of college players. I think there is no more similarity between Musselman and Theus than there is between apples and quantum physics.

 

[Jerryaki]

hmmm, cautiously optimistic then...

theus is my third coach and the musselman project has soured me a little bit on coaching changes. operant conditioning at its finest!

 

[CruzDude]

......... "Apples and quantum physics?" Isn't that a little deep for us BB fans? But it sure makes the point.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

Musselman was a control freak who got started on the wrong foot and never recovered.

Reggie has been both a player and a successful coach, albeit of college players...

Mussleman had been considered a successful coach before getting to the NBA, too.

Just saying...

 

[VF21]

I stand by my comment that there is NO basis for valid comparison between the two. And it can quite possibly boil down to the difference between someone who has actually paid their dues on the court and someone whose ties to the game are all from the sidelines.

 

[Bricklayer]

I stand by my comment that there is NO basis for valid comparison between the two.

That's true.


Muss was a coach. Theus just played one on TV.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I stand by my comment that there is NO basis for valid comparison between the two. And it can quite possibly boil down to the difference between someone who has actually paid their dues on the court and someone whose ties to the game are all from the sidelines.

Paid their dues? So you're of the opinion that former players make the best coaches?

 

[Bricklayer]

Paid their dues? So you're of the opinion that former players make the best coaches?

Usually, yes. Enough good/solid ones who don't to keep it from being absolute (the Van Gundy's, Pop, Flip, Fratello, Hubie, Daly etc.), but in particular in the modern era its tough without a godfatehr (i.e. Riley etc.) handing you the keys.

In any case its the factor Reggie actually has going for him. The only factor keeping Reg from being one of the least qualified coaches hired in the NBA in many a year. He has NBA experience and potentially legitimacy with the players because of it, albeit from back in the day.

 

[VF21]

Paid their dues? So you're of the opinion that former players make the best coaches?

I didn't say nor imply that former players make the BEST coaches. You commented that Musselman had been considered a successful coach. I actually should have questioned that more thoroughly since there were a lot of rumblings about Musselman's "success" before and when he was hired by the Kings.

While I was willing to give Musselman a shot, it was primarily because I thought he was much better a choice than Whis since those were the most discussed choices. Now, about this question... I do feel, however, that for the most part the players will identify with someone who has actually played the game better. It's human nature to give more credence to someone who has actually done what they're now asking you to do. That, in part, is why I commented about the combination of player AND successful coach in Theus' case.

I like Reggie Theus. I like the idea of him coaching the Kings. I've been consistent about that right from the beginning. One of the reasons (and there are many of them) I feel he'll be more successful than Musselman is he knows what it's like to be on the other side. I also like the fact his experience as a guard in the NBA could easily help guys like Cisco and Martin fulfill their potential.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

I didn't say nor imply that former players make the BEST coaches. You commented that Musselman had been considered a successful coach. I actually should have questioned that more thoroughly since there were a lot of rumblings about Musselman's "success" before and when he was hired by the Kings.

Minor leagues

In the CBA, Musselman posted a 270-122 record (.688), marking the second highest winning percentage in league history behind George Karl, who coached for five seasons in the CBA.

From 1990-1997, Musselman had 24 players called up to the NBA, the highest number in the league during that span. He holds the distinction of being the only person in CBA history to coach in five league All-Star Games (1990, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1997) and was the first coach in professional basketball history to win 100 games by the age of 28. When he was 23, Musselman became the youngest coach in CBA history.

Musselman also served as head coach of the Florida Sharks of the United States Basketball League (USBL). In the summers of 1995 and 1996, he coached the Sharks to a combined 53-3 record (.946, including playoffs) and back-to-back USBL Championships. He holds the highest winning percentage in league history.

Musselman began his CBA career in 1988 as the general manager of the Rapid City (S.D.) Thrillers, a franchise his father Bill had coached to three consecutive CBA titles during the 1980s. His first week on the job, he hired Flip Saunders as the team's head coach. Saunders, who was recruited by Bill Musselman when Bill was the head coach at the University of Minnesota during the early 1970s, would go on to be one of the winningest coaches in CBA history before moving to the NBA as coach of the Minnesota Timberwolves. Saunders currently serves as head coach of the NBA's Detroit Pistons.

Prior to joining the Thrillers, Musselman worked for the NBA's Los Angeles Clippers as an assistant to General Manager Elgin Baylor and Barry Hecker, the team's director of scouting.

Source: wikipedia

 

[VF21]

Um, dear Slim - you've entirely MISSED the point. The point is the combination of PLAYER and SUCCESSFUL COACH means more than simply successful coach.

And Musselman's past successes were, IMHO, overshadowed by his NBA experience which - in hindsight - should have been a red flag.

 

[Mr. S£im Citrus]

And Musselman's past successes were, IMHO, overshadowed by his NBA experience which - in hindsight - should have been a red flag.

I don't recall saying that it shouldn't have; all I said was "Mussleman had been considered a successful coach before getting to the NBA, too."

Based on what he did in the CBA, somebody probably thought he didn't suck... clearly, they were wrong.

 

[VF21]

Based on what he did in the CBA, somebody probably thought he didn't suck... clearly, they were wrong.

Word.