how many bad calls Kings have got per game?

[iheartBrad]

i love seeing threads like this. after scanning the whole thing, i didn't see anyone mention a call that went the kings way that shouldn't have. not one.

which means it's in cuban's class. he only complains about bad officiating and blown calls that hurt his team, he never complains if the mavs get the benefit of a call or a generally poorly called game. it's not justice he's after, it's favoritism.

you have to ask yourselves, what percentage of the time do you think the team you wanted to win got the win because of the officials vs. the games that your team lost? not just basketball, but everything: football, baseball, everything. nobody in the world, including me, will ever think they have the advantage or that it's even based on that calculation. i just figure that i'm biased and maybe the kings got away with a travel but the spurs got away with a bad interference call or something else i didn't notice.

i hear all the stuff about the defensive teams getting away with things, but i don't see larry brown buying into that. it's not illegal to cover your man. it's not illegal to stand between someone and the basket. it's not illegal to run next to your man so they don't get the straight line to the basket. last i checked, it's easier to run without the ball. it's not illegal to put your hands up. it's not illegal to block shots. it is illegal to hit people's arms, but brad would foul out if they called that every time.

i hear all the stuff about small market teams getting shafted, but i don't see san antonio getting any bigger. i do see laker fan coming up with conspiracy theories about putting big market teams down, but it just doesn't make any sense. the longer someone tries to explain a conspiracy, the crazier they look.

dave
spurs fan

p.s. nice game vs. the rockets. that move by chris at the end of the game is definitely a memory for me.

i knew that name sounded familar...you are from Spursreport.com...interesting
i don't believe in all the conspiracy mumbo-jumo
BUT maybe you didn't hear anyone complain of a call that went the kings way that shouldn't have was because there weren't any...hehehe

 

[RAIDER925]

I've noticed a lot of bad calls tonight..But hey I'm use to seeing "BAD CALLS" by the refs... RAIDERS/KINGS fan

 

[slugking50]

I've noticed a lot of bad calls tonight..But hey I'm use to seeing "BAD CALLS" by the refs... RAIDERS/KINGS fan

No wonder why you omplain so much... Youve been around Al Davis too long

 

[nAj jAn™]

These thread should be rated excellent, nice read..... Some I don't understand but good coz i learned some things... hehe

I think many Kingsfans are intelligent!? Many good analysis people here.. hehe

 

[nAj jAn™]

NICE THREAD

 

[KiNgMyC]

refs sure helped us tonight

 

[slugking50]

refs sure helped us tonight

They sure did. But the question is will those who whinedand moaned in this thread admit it?!

Well?
?

 

[KP]

If you check Piksis game thread I said the refs were killing Houston. The refs in the NBA suck. They seem to try to affect the games (fuel runs) at times. It seems like some of them personally don't like certain teams, and also that good teams are allowed to get away with more. Whether it's for us, or against us it's always wrong. I will always point out(it's not whining if it's true) when it happens to us, and I will always admit it when it helps us(like last night).

 

[striker]

There is an intresting show on NBA TV where Ronnie Nunn goes over plays and calls with the show's host. I guess if you've ever watched that show KP you get all the calls right. 90% of the calls fans whine, moan, pee about they called wrong and the ref got right.

 

[funsc]

sure they did.

hope Rockets could have their favorite refs in Miami.

 

[KP]

There is an intresting show on NBA TV where Ronnie Nunn goes over plays and calls with the show's host. I guess if you've ever watched that show KP you get all the calls right. 90% of the calls fans whine, moan, pee about they called wrong and the ref got right.

I've watched that show Striker, it's a joke. Please, like last night no one even grabbed the ball that Barry had control of. The Kings got a jump out of it. I'll bet you, you won't see that play on the show. The refs get 90% of the calls right that they chose to show you on that show... big difference.

 

[6th]

They sure did. But the question is will those who whinedand moaned in this thread admit it?!

Well?
?

Now, slug, it is the job of the fan of the team getting bad calls against them that have to complain. A fan of a team who is getting the calls should keep quiet. That is just the way it works.

 

[striker]

Sure refs make mistakes just like players miss shots. Like it's been pointed out, every questionable/margianl call the fan see in their teams favor. Every missed/bad call that went in their teams favor the fan conveniently forget. Except us totally objective fans, right KP.

 

[KP]

Sure refs make mistakes just like players miss shots. Like it's been pointed out, every questionable/margianl call the fan see in their teams favor. Every missed/bad call that went in their teams favor the fan conveniently forget. Except us totally objective fans, right KP.

Go to Piksis game thread vs Houston at 9:00 pm and check my post to see if I'm objective... Some calls are just obviously bad whether your team benifits or not.

 

[Bballkingsrock]

Sure refs make mistakes just like players miss shots. Like it's been pointed out, every questionable/margianl call the fan see in their teams favor. Every missed/bad call that went in their teams favor the fan conveniently forget. Except us totally objective fans, right KP.

If refs make mistakes as many times as players miss shots, thats a lot of missed calls!!!!

 

[striker]

Guess the refs are better than the players.

 

[Ryle]

it's not illegal to cover your man. it's not illegal to stand between someone and the basket. it's not illegal to run next to your man so they don't get the straight line to the basket. last i checked, it's easier to run without the ball. it's not illegal to put your hands up. it's not illegal to block shots. it is illegal to hit people's arms

If all the Spurs did was what you say then no one would complain. It is illegal to hold, grab and impede a player that is going around you which is something the Spurs are very good at(see Bowen). As far as Miller goes......I guess it's legal for someone to basically run into someones arm with their head when they have the ball and force a turnover(ginobili) or it's also legal to sit there and grab someones arms while they have the ball and then when the player tries to get you to let go you flop back and said player gets called for an offensive foul(again, Ginobili).

There are games that I watch and I think "holy crap we got alot of calls tonight" and I usually don't say anything about it. Problem is the Spurs are allowed to play this way every night and the refs seem to think what they do is legal but if the other team tries it they get called for the foul.

Blinded by homerism.

 

[KP]

If all the Spurs did was what you say then no one would complain. It is illegal to hold, grab and impede a player that is going around you which is something the Spurs are very good at(see Bowen). As far as Miller goes......I guess it's legal for someone to basically run into someones arm with their head when they have the ball and force a turnover(ginobili) or it's also legal to sit there and grab someones arms while they have the ball and then when the player tries to get you to let go you flop back and said player gets called for an offensive foul(again, Ginobili).

There are games that I watch and I think "holy crap we got alot of calls tonight" and I usually don't say anything about it. Problem is the Spurs are allowed to play this way every night and the refs seem to think what they do is legal but if the other team tries it they get called for the foul.

Blinded by homerism.

Your not blinded, I think your eyes are wide open.

 

[Brewer16]

Thing is, Dave, the Spurs get calls every night, at least every time I watch them. Kings get the calls depending on who we play.

 

[striker]

Popovich doesn't like his players to reach, he likes them to move their feet. He gets mad and benches players if they commit silly fouls resulting in FTs. Almost all Spurs players have quick feet, good lateral movement, Bowen, Parker, Ginobili, Brown, Udrih, Horry, Rose, Duncan, as did former players like Jackson and Hedo, Hart, Raja who learned to play much better D by being with the Spurs. As a rule you don't become a Spur without the tools to be an above average defender.

Fact is Kings don't have those qualities to that extent across the board in Bibby, Miller, Peja, Webber now, etc., and Adelaman is not as strict and demanding on D allowing laxer habits.

Kings reach a lot more, hold a lot more with poorer footwork than the Spurs. Simple fact not a conspirarcy.

 

[KP]

Popovich doesn't like his players to reach, he likes them to move their feet. He gets mad and benches players if they commit silly fouls resulting in FTs. Almost all Spurs players have quick feet, good lateral movement, Bowen, Parker, Ginobili, Brown, Udrih, Horry, Rose, Duncan, as did former players like Jackson and Hedo, Hart, Raja who learned to play much better D by being with the Spurs. As a rule you don't become a Spur without the tools to be an above average defender.

Fact is Kings don't have those qualities to that extent across the board in Bibby, Miller, Peja, Webber now, etc., and Adelaman is not as strict and demanding on D allowing laxer habits.

Kings reach a lot more, hold a lot more with poorer footwork than the Spurs. Simple fact not a conspirarcy.

Troll alert.

 

[coolhandluke]

Popovich doesn't like his players to reach, he likes them to move their feet. He gets mad and benches players if they commit silly fouls resulting in FTs. Almost all Spurs players have quick feet, good lateral movement, Bowen, Parker, Ginobili, Brown, Udrih, Horry, Rose, Duncan, as did former players like Jackson and Hedo, Hart, Raja who learned to play much better D by being with the Spurs. As a rule you don't become a Spur without the tools to be an above average defender.

Fact is Kings don't have those qualities to that extent across the board in Bibby, Miller, Peja, Webber now, etc., and Adelaman is not as strict and demanding on D allowing laxer habits.

Kings reach a lot more, hold a lot more with poorer footwork than the Spurs. Simple fact not a conspirarcy.

As a Kings fan, I can agree with that. I won't absolve certain Spurs players of playing dirty though.

 

[striker]

Not a troll I don't think, just pointing out the personalities of the two teams. My take on Pertrie, Adelman and their system is that players to fit have to have pass, catch, shoot skills and then hopefully the rest of the skills but the first set is a prerequisite.

Spurs start with defense. Spurs achilles heal has been the shooter. They've to some extent sacrificed offensive skills at the expense of making sure players have what it takes to play D. They've tried to hold it together with one or two reliable shooters like Steve Smith, Steve Kerr, Danny Ferry, Hedo now Brent Barry that they can hide behind superior defenders. When the shakey shooters fail Spurs get in trouble, see LA series last year.

I just get tired of people whining aout the Spurs "grabbing, holding". I might as well whine about Kings off the ball movement, passing, shooting. It's what the teams' emphasize, select players for and they happen to be good at it. Crying about it is a cop out.

 

[VF21]

Bruce Bowen grabs and holds. Vlade Divac flopped.

What's the problem with admitting when someone on your team gets away with something?

 

[VF21]

Adelman is lax? Well, on the other side of the coin, Pop is rude and demeaning to his players.

Bottom line, striker, is that we can discuss this all day long and never reach an accord because you're a Spurs fan and we're Kings fans.

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Now, for something really important. Has Popovich had dermabrasion treatments or something? His face sure looks a lot less pockmarked than before. If so, I'm glad.

 

[iheartBrad]

yeah sometimes Mike does a great acting job out there...::shakes head::

 

[iheartBrad]

Now, for something really important. Has Popovich had dermabrasion treatments or something? His face sure looks a lot less pockmarked than before. If so, I'm glad.

oooo ouch! Im an esthetician and even I think that was pretty harsh

 

[VF21]

I wasn't being rude, iheartBrad. Gregg Popovich had some nasty pockmarks. It's not a dig; it's the truth. I noticed the last couple of games that they are almost all gone. I think it's great if he was able to get treatment for them because I had a good friend in school who was badly traumatized over his complexion while growing up.

 

[iheartBrad]

traumatized over GP's complexion? or your friends own complexion?

 

[Kingsgurl]

I just get tired of people whining aout the Spurs "grabbing, holding". I might as well whine about Kings off the ball movement, passing, shooting. It's what the teams' emphasize, select players for and they happen to be good at it. Crying about it is a cop out.

What??? Moving without the ball, passing and shooting are all legal. Holding and Grabbing are not. Yes, the spurs happen to be very good at it, which doesn't, BTW, make it legal for them to do it. They get a pass to do so because they have a rep as a defensive minded team. Our players are at a disadvantage because, if they do those SAME things, they are called for a foul.
I have no problem with the occasional missed call, as it works in both directions, refs are only human. Where I DO have an issue is when they call the game different for different teams, or different players. That is just crap.