how many bad calls Kings have got per game?

it happens every game, every team. refs are human, they make mistakes. generally they do a pretty good job as a group. but just like you, they aren't perfect.

I don't want to rip you here, but the NBA lives off of an Economic Food Chain. The officials are paid by the league, the league gets its money from TV deals, TV gets its money from advertisters. Advertisers want big draws, big cities, big names. The biggest name Sacramento has is Webber, and his drawing power has faded over the years. As a city, Sacramento isn't that attractive a marketing lure. Sure every team gets bad calls, but Sacramento has never had a season where they 'got' the calls. Not that I can remember. And it's not just bad calls, but more or less the concidental nature of the bad calls that it so very suspicious. The bad calls vs the Spurs in the last game didn't matter, but tonight (as someone pointed out) the calls kept coming at moments of momentum for the Kings. They were constant momentum killers through out the game. The Kings had a lot going against them tonight, from injuries to the bounce of the ball(so many rebounds bouncing off of multiple Kings) and it just is frustrating to see the officials add on to it. The Indiana Pacers(another small town) have had the same problem for years, getting constantly burned by calls in games against big markets like New York and Chicago. It's so coincidental, that once you look how the money food chain works then you realize it's less coincidence and more purposeful.

Plus, you add in the normal refs you see with a bad history of calls in the past, like Dick Bavetta, always showing up in big games. They are just the NBAs policers for profit. The NBA doesn't hire refs out of college or elsewhere, they prime them themselves. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's just common sense and insightful observation.
 
jeffjcalweb said:
of course its a business.... and what makes good business is every team is successful, that every city that has a team, every fan, enjoys the product. do u actually know anything about business? you think the spurs & tim duncan are some nationwide marketing gold mine? the spurs are a middle market team, this isn't the lakers or knicks or celts we are talking about ...

We are however; talking about the "team" who is currently numero uno in the NBA standings.:p
 
shaka zulu said:
No but they do have some international players with high marketing value.

and they king's haven't the past 5 years with some guy named Vlade Divac & some other guy, what's his name ... peja something or other? i hear they are pretty popular ... and someone used to be here, turkeyglue or something??? sheesh. international players can be found on just about anyteam
now. big deal.
 
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swisshh said:
I don't want to rip you here, but the NBA lives off of an Economic Food Chain. The officials are paid by the league, the league gets its money from TV deals, TV gets its money from advertisters. Advertisers want big draws, big cities, big names. The biggest name Sacramento has is Webber, and his drawing power has faded over the years. As a city, Sacramento isn't that attractive a marketing lure. Sure every team gets bad calls, but Sacramento has never had a season where they 'got' the calls. Not that I can remember. And it's not just bad calls, but more or less the concidental nature of the bad calls that it so very suspicious. The bad calls vs the Spurs in the last game didn't matter, but tonight (as someone pointed out) the calls kept coming at moments of momentum for the Kings. They were constant momentum killers through out the game. The Kings had a lot going against them tonight, from injuries to the bounce of the ball(so many rebounds bouncing off of multiple Kings) and it just is frustrating to see the officials add on to it. The Indiana Pacers(another small town) have had the same problem for years, getting constantly burned by calls in games against big markets like New York and Chicago. It's so coincidental, that once you look how the money food chain works then you realize it's less coincidence and more purposeful.

Plus, you add in the normal refs you see with a bad history of calls in the past, like Dick Bavetta, always showing up in big games. They are just the NBAs policers for profit. The NBA doesn't hire refs out of college or elsewhere, they prime them themselves. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's just common sense and insightful observation.


hmmmm ok. by the way, its not healthy to wrap aluminum foil around your head & microwave on high for more than 10 seconds.
 
swisshh said:
I don't want to rip you here, but the NBA lives off of an Economic Food Chain. The officials are paid by the league, the league gets its money from TV deals, TV gets its money from advertisters. Advertisers want big draws, big cities, big names. The biggest name Sacramento has is Webber, and his drawing power has faded over the years. As a city, Sacramento isn't that attractive a marketing lure. Sure every team gets bad calls, but Sacramento has never had a season where they 'got' the calls. Not that I can remember. And it's not just bad calls, but more or less the concidental nature of the bad calls that it so very suspicious. The bad calls vs the Spurs in the last game didn't matter, but tonight (as someone pointed out) the calls kept coming at moments of momentum for the Kings. They were constant momentum killers through out the game. The Kings had a lot going against them tonight, from injuries to the bounce of the ball(so many rebounds bouncing off of multiple Kings) and it just is frustrating to see the officials add on to it. The Indiana Pacers(another small town) have had the same problem for years, getting constantly burned by calls in games against big markets like New York and Chicago. It's so coincidental, that once you look how the money food chain works then you realize it's less coincidence and more purposeful.

Plus, you add in the normal refs you see with a bad history of calls in the past, like Dick Bavetta, always showing up in big games. They are just the NBAs policers for profit. The NBA doesn't hire refs out of college or elsewhere, they prime them themselves. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's just common sense and insightful observation.

one last bit, do you have any idea how big sacto is in marketing size? care to make a guess where we rank? you might be suprised.
 
jeffjcalweb said:
hmmmm ok. by the way, its not healthy to wrap aluminum foil around your head & microwave on high for more than 10 seconds.[/QUOTE

There was nothing "crazy" about their post. I thought they had some insightful comments and I just happen to be tin foil free!!
 
from nielson rankings:

san antonio tv audience: 693,810
sacto: 1,187,000

but yes, undoubtably the NBA is mad at work putting the spurs on every piece of merchandise, on every tv in every househould, while doing all it can to further depress & hold down the sacto kings.
 
yah the refs sucked tonight, but that isn't the reason the kings lost. sure some calls go this way instead of that way would have helped, but the kings didn't shoot well or defend well enough to win. it's hard to win only scoring 80 points.

blahhh
 
please stop this babble evenstar! how dare you ... ok, don't move from where you are "they" are coming to get you ...

what a novel idea, a post about the play of the kings preventing them from acheiving victory! woohoo!
 
jeffjcalweb said:
please stop this babble evenstar! how dare you ... ok, don't move from where you are "they" are coming to get you ...

what a novel idea, a post about the play of the kings preventing them from acheiving victory! woohoo!

:confused: :confused:
 
well, at first i was going to tell you i was being sarcastic, but then looking at the true definition (A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound), realized that wouldn't be nice.

i was just saying, good post eh. the kings lost cuz of the things u said, not refs.
 
what happen to the REFS looking for the impeding the dribblers progress and allowing the offense more freedom to flow and calling the grabs and pulls for the cutters etc.
 
jeffjcalweb said:
well, at first i was going to tell you i was being sarcastic, but then looking at the true definition (A cutting, often ironic remark intended to wound), realized that wouldn't be nice.

i was just saying, good post eh. the kings lost cuz of the things u said, not refs.

thank you for clarifying that for me, at first read i though you were insulting me.

:)
 
one last bit, do you have any idea how big sacto is in marketing size? care to make a guess where we rank? you might be suprised.

I know Sacramento is better than a lot of cities for TV and Radio market size, but maybe you should look at the business ties that other cities have that Sacramento doesn't. Lack of luxury boxes, lack of major local businesses and a lack of outside-the-area draw. A big east coast city can draw in the entire east coast, but Sacramento in the Finals is lucky if it drawns in the rest of it's state as viewers.

For example, Portland, OR has a bigger size (2-3 Million) than Sacramento or Orlando, but Orlando has a bigger draw than either of those cities and teams. You got major attractions, you got Florida, so you have glamour and you have connections to big businesses like Disney. Plus you might draw the rest of Florida and you certainly get more east coast viewers. Do you think advertisers care that Portland has a larger population than Orlando? Or that Sacramento has a larger population than Orlando? If you do, then maybe I should hand you my tin foil hat.
 
have you heard of any of the following companies?

Intel
HP
Apple
Health Net
Kaiser
Blue Shield
Oracle

all have very large campuses or headquarters in sacramento. kinda major local businesses, i think. maybe. yep, they are. what the heck is your point about the city draw stuff? just cuz orlando has disneyworld the nba is kicking the kings to the curb on a yearly basis? huh? forget it.
 
Evenstar said:

Sarcasm.....pure sarcasm. :rolleyes:

The Kings defense.....although it had some shaky parts..wasn't too horrendous. It's what might have saved the game from being another 30 point loss instead of 10.

Offense....had it's spurts but mostly petered out. Never got that complete rhythm as to where it could get beyond a 1 point lead.
 
swisshh said:
I know Sacramento is better than a lot of cities for TV and Radio market size, but maybe you should look at the business ties that other cities have that Sacramento doesn't. Lack of luxury boxes, lack of major local businesses and a lack of outside-the-area draw. A big east coast city can draw in the entire east coast, but Sacramento in the Finals is lucky if it drawns in the rest of it's state as viewers.

For example, Portland, OR has a bigger size (2-3 Million) than Sacramento or Orlando, but Orlando has a bigger draw than either of those cities and teams. You got major attractions, you got Florida, so you have glamour and you have connections to big businesses like Disney. Plus you might draw the rest of Florida and you certainly get more east coast viewers. Do you think advertisers care that Portland has a larger population than Orlando? Or that Sacramento has a larger population than Orlando? If you do, then maybe I should hand you my tin foil hat.

The mega-conspiracy theories have never held any water. Just impossible to keep something of that size quiet. What, NOBODY is ever going to talk? No ref who retires? No ref who you fire? No flunkie in the NBA offices? EVER? That's just not reasonable. What are they doing, threatening to kill their families?
 
yep. hey i think the kings played tough ... they have 3 of their top 8 out or playing less than 100%. they could have tanked this game early but didn't. no issues with how this game played out, they never gave up.

sure, they didn't play all that great, but i don't think it was a lack of effort or desire, unlike sunday's game.
 
Bricklayer said:
The mega-conspiracy theories have never held any water. Just impossible to keep something of that size quiet. What, NOBODY is ever going to talk? No ref who retires? No ref who you fire? No flunkie in the NBA offices? EVER? That's just not reasonable. What are they doing, threatening to kill their families?

thank you brick. i think. pretty sure you're saying there's no mega evil shadow nba govt control secret intelligence agency. but maybe you're just saying that so we won't talk about it ... mmmm ....
 
Bricklayer said:
The mega-conspiracy theories have never held any water. Just impossible to keep something of that size quiet. What, NOBODY is ever going to talk? No ref who retires? No ref who you fire? No flunkie in the NBA offices? EVER? That's just not reasonable. What are they doing, threatening to kill their families?
sometimes one will follow certain rules contracts etc to take care of their family even sign an agreement saying they won't smoke even when away from the job.
 
Those companies have no ties to the Kings that I can think of. You either can't grasp the concept here or you just refuse to. Compare the Oakland franchises to the San Francisco franchises. The SF teams have many more endorsements from higher profile companies. Just compare the signs in the stadiums. Just compare the concourses. The advertising during the games. The 49ers have sponsorships by freaking wine vineyards. How posh do you have to be to be a football team and get a Wine company interested?

just cuz orlando has disneyworld the nba is kicking the kings to the curb on a yearly basis? huh? forget it.

If you aren't going to put the amount of thought I obviously put into my posts into your replies, then do please just forget it.
 
shaka zulu said:
sometimes one will follow certain rules contracts etc to take care of their family even sign an agreement saying they won't smoke even when away from the job.

You can't sign an agreement to do something illegal or to conceal it. Trust me on ths one.
 
I'm not really the type to complain that much about officiating but it seemed like everytime the Kings would get into striking distance, a call would kill their momentum and the Spurs would build the lead back up. It's hard to get into a rhythm when every couple of minutes you're hit with a jaw-droppingly bad call. But this has been a tradition ever since the 1999 season. At least once a season the Kings lose a poorly-reffed game to the Spurs. Oh well, that's the breaks.
 
Bricklayer said:
The mega-conspiracy theories have never held any water. Just impossible to keep something of that size quiet. What, NOBODY is ever going to talk? No ref who retires? No ref who you fire? No flunkie in the NBA offices? EVER? That's just not reasonable. What are they doing, threatening to kill their families?

No, they just threaten with money. Money is more valuable than life sometimes in America anyways. So many people profit. Just think of the special rules that were made for Jordan, you couldn't really guard the guy sometimes. Got within a foot of him and you got whistled for a foul. It was pretty obvious, but Jordan made money for EVERYBODY. Put Jordan on your magazine cover and it sells. Get the Bulls to come to town and you sell out. And you sell out of Bulls posters as well, even if they aren't the local team.

Really, it takes more faith and denial to think there is no influencing in the outcome of NBA games than it takes to see that there is.
 
swisshh said:
No, they just threaten with money. Money is more valuable than life sometimes in America anyways. So many people profit. Just think of the special rules that were made for Jordan, you couldn't really guard the guy sometimes. Got within a foot of him and you got whistled for a foul. It was pretty obvious, but Jordan made money for EVERYBODY. Put Jordan on your magazine cover and it sells. Get the Bulls to come to town and you sell out. And you sell out of Bulls posters as well, even if they aren't the local team.

Really, it takes more faith and denial to think there is no influencing in the outcome of NBA games than it takes to see that there is.
not to hop on the wagon or anything but people do trip when it comes to money.CAPITALISM means everything to people now adays and BLACKMAIL rules big business the mob run the gamble game.IT's a Big money so no rules apply when it boils down to the nitty gritty.IVE seen people do crazy thangs andf cover stuff for that almighty dollar.ANYTHING is possible when you mess with a person'd money
 
It isn't a freaking conspiracy, but they DO call the game different for some teams, as far as what they are allowed to do on the defensive end. I don't see how you can watch, especially if you wathed the game sandwiched in between the Spurs games (the nets get NO respect from the refs defensively) and not see a difference.
What I want to know is how a team goes about gaining that 'respect' or reputation. If our guys started holding and grabbing and hacking, who would be left to finish the game after they fouled out? Don't they have to allow 3 or 4 guys on the copurt (assesing a tech instead of fouling them out?) How many games would you have to play like that before they stopped calling ALL of the fouls and 'let you play'?
 
shaka zulu said:
sometimes one will follow certain rules contracts etc to take care of their family even sign an agreement saying they won't smoke even when away from the job.
^Good Gawd.^

The refs made calls for Kings tonight, 3 or 4 that even I saw, and I don't observe half as much as everyone else. Somehow bad calls in our favor get lost in translation when blaming the refs for a loss.

When calls aren't made there is no sense in arguing and it just pisses off the refs. Okay, Web got a call tonight for arguing, I'll give him that. AND, I didn't think poorly of his judgment in that regard, but I didn't see anyone on the Spurs arguing with the refs (but, again, I don't notice everything like some others). And driving to the basket just to get a foul call, with no possible shot, might just pee off those refs and may seem insulting to the game of basketball. I'm not saying its right and ethical for refs to make calls based on their feelings about players whining, but it happens coz the refs are human.

This is my theory: No one remembers the bad calls after a win. :p
 
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