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[M_Barragan]

Yea... and were not even big lifters. We just lift enough to keep in shape. We play more basket ball then anything else. Which is why I say Tyreke can lift a hell of a lot more then 185 7 times. IF that was the case he would not even be able to lift his own weight... not the case when you look like that.

 

[DocHolliday]

M, how cut you are really has nothing to do with how strong someone is. The world's strongest power lifters aren't cut. They eat thousand, upon thousands, upon thousands of calories. Calories from the right sources in the right ration of Protein, Carbs, Fat.

When you bulk up you're going to put some fat on, and you need to get avove the weight you want to be, then cut your calories back, again the right ratios, and a different type of training. Then lean out, lose weight, and the idea is to end up where you actually want to be.

Unless you're just a freak like Dwight Howard.

 

[Kingsguy881]

M, how cut you are really has nothing to do with how strong someone is. The world's strongest power lifters aren't cut. They eat thousand, upon thousands, upon thousands of calories. Calories from the right sources in the right ration of Protein, Carbs, Fat.

When you bulk up you're going to put some fat on, and you need to get avove the weight you want to be, then cut your calories back, again the right ratios, and a different type of training. Then lean out, lose weight, and the idea is to end up where you actually want to be.

Unless you're just a freak like Dwight Howard.

I'm a freak like Adina Howard...

 

[M_Barragan]

Haha

True... but 185 7 times is just too low bro... If its true tyreke is built but very weak... i mean very weak very very weak.

 

[NME]

I'm a freak like Adina Howard...

Your milkshake must bring all the boys to the yard.

 

[rhythmless]

Haha

True... but 185 7 times is just too low bro... If its true tyreke is built but very weak... i mean very weak very very weak.

I've heard of benchracing, but benchbenching is taking it to another internet level...

"I weigh, x, and dude weighs x. I can bench y, and dude looks way more swoll than me, so he can definitely bench y+z, where z is equal to his swollness"

 

[DocHolliday]

Haha

True... but 185 7 times is just too low bro... If its true tyreke is built but very weak... i mean very weak very very weak.

And we know that Tyreke isn't weak. He can get through a crowd and still get the ball up at the rim. So, that would lead you to think he was sand bagging.

 

[M_Barragan]

Because he is obviously stronger then that... as his performance on the court shows. Which brings me to my original point... why 7 times?

 

[Bricklayer]

Because he is obviously stronger then that... as his performance on the court shows. Which brings me to my original point... why 7 times?

Is it really relevant?

I would agree with the general point -- at Reke's age I weighed roughly what he weighs and 185 was just a warmup set. For a similarly sized professional athlete, and a powerful one at that, 7 should be nothing. But maybe it wasn't. Maybe those long arms make it harder. Maybe he had a sore elbow. Maybe he really did not see the point since I distinctly recall his camp calling out all the top prospects and challenging them to 1 on 1 sessions before the draft -- he was going to prove himself on the court, not in a test. Is it really remotely important at this point? We know what he is capable of by now, and whether he can benchpress 400lbs or 135lbs he can still overpower almost everyone he faces on the court. So why is this important.

P.S. As an aside DocHolliday is right about ripped not being the same thing as strong. The strongest guys are really thick, sometimes they even have layers of fat over the muscle. The strongest professional athletes in the major sports are interior linemen in football, and most of them would make Santa Claus jealous when they laugh. They also could pick up your car.

 

[Entity]

Terrance Cody the NG for Alabama weighs 360lbs he looks like a tub of lard. he benches well over 500 lbs. They stopped him at squating 700 lbs because 1) the bar was bending to much and 2) because if he could get it up and had a strain no 2 guys could lift it off him straight up like that.

 

[M_Barragan]

With that I agree... I have little body fat my friend has quite more. He weighs like 2 pounds more then me but he is naturally much much stronger.

I however am 5'10 and can dunk he can't haha. But it's all good cus his strenght gives him a monster post game.

 

[FaStRmAn]

drboiffard - You need to step back from your fan vision and see that Sergio is a boarder line NBA Player. He is wild with his passes and his defense, while pesky, isn't all that great. You would expect a player of his size to shoot better. He is just a so so guard that are a dime a dozen in the league. His passing and shooting have to improve for him to get more minutes and justify his defensive limitations. J-Will was a much better PG who passed better and shot better. About the same defensively which is why J-Will struggled to get minutes wherever he goes.

A defensive liability in a guard is really hard to compete with (see Mike Bibby). The guards are the first line of defense, and if they get broken down, the bigs end up picking up unnecessary fouls guarding the rim. Sergio is an OK player who needs to improve his game to get more minutes on this team. It's not the other way around. His game isn't going to improve with more minutes. He gets all the minutes he wants in practice to show what he's got. If he was better than the guys playing in front of him, he would start. He is a bench player for a reason.

 

[Bricklayer]

drboiffard - You need to step back from your fan vision and see that Sergio is a boarder line NBA Player. He is wild with his passes and his defense, while pesky, isn't all that great. You would expect a player of his size to shoot better. He is just a so so guard that are a dime a dozen in the league. His passing and shooting have to improve for him to get more minutes and justify his defensive limitations. J-Will was a much better PG who passed better and shot better. About the same defensively which is why J-Will struggled to get minutes wherever he goes.

A defensive liability in a guard is really hard to compete with (see Mike Bibby). The guards are the first line of defense, and if they get broken down, the bigs end up picking up unnecessary fouls guarding the rim. Sergio is an OK player who needs to improve his game to get more minutes on this team. It's not the other way around. His game isn't going to improve with more minutes. He gets all the minutes he wants in practice to show what he's got. If he was better than the guys playing in front of him, he would start. He is a bench player for a reason.

Sergio's passing does not need to improve -- it is elite level. Its decisionmaking that kills him.

 

[drboiffard]

FaStRmAn- I'm tired of talking bout Sergio and I've never claimed him as starter.

I agree and understand perfectly that he doesn't play because Beno and Tyreke are far better than him. However, I think his court vision and creativity is by far one of the greatest in the league right now and it's the best passer in the Kings roster. The problem is it's hard to get hot and run the team correctly in 3 minutes appearences.

 

[Vlade4GM]

Evans is not and never will be the the caliber athlete that Wade, Kobe, Lebron, Tmac are/were. While he has good body control, change of pace/direction, and first step. He doesn't have the explosiveness to go over defenders or beat defenders to a spot by sheer speed/quickness, he does it by very good dribbling.

 

[Tetsujin]

Evans is not and never will be the the caliber athlete that Wade, Kobe, Lebron, Tmac are/were. While he has good body control, change of pace/direction, and first step. He doesn't have the explosiveness to go over defenders or beat defenders to a spot by sheer speed/quickness, he does it by very good dribbling.

I agree. He's not as explosive as those aforementioned athletes. I think he's kind of like short LeBron without the unbelievable rocket feet. I think that his body control may be a bit better than some of the listed players though.

 

[mac]

Man all you big guys are making me feel inferior haha. Naturally smaller body here. But to add on to brick's point, it is true that longer arms make it harder to bench a full rep i.e. touching chest. Beyond a certain point your arms need to bend further causing stress to the shoulders.

 

[rhythmless]

For those that watched last night's game, it definitely highlighted Tyreke's lack of vertical explosiveness. He just doesn't get very high. This was against a defender in which he absolutely needed to as well.

Tyreke tried his nifty layups, using his body, spinning to the other side to use the rim, but when Howard was around, Tyreke couldn't get anything going. He just lacks (or wouldn't use) that extra explosiveness that makes you say wow, when did he put on the jetpack shoes?

Just something else he should work on this offseason.

 

[mr. moustache]

Not sure a 20yo can work on jumping. I'd much rather have him working on that jumpshot. If he can consistently hit from 16-20ft, then he can score against Howard and other trees.

For those that watched last night's game, it definitely highlighted Tyreke's lack of vertical explosiveness. He just doesn't get very high. This was against a defender in which he absolutely needed to as well.

Tyreke tried his nifty layups, using his body, spinning to the other side to use the rim, but when Howard was around, Tyreke couldn't get anything going. He just lacks (or wouldn't use) that extra explosiveness that makes you say wow, when did he put on the jetpack shoes?

Just something else he should work on this offseason.

 

[DocHolliday]

Evans is not and never will be the the caliber athlete that Wade, Kobe, Lebron, Tmac are/were. While he has good body control, change of pace/direction, and first step. He doesn't have the explosiveness to go over defenders or beat defenders to a spot by sheer speed/quickness, he does it by very good dribbling.

He doesn't have the explosiveness to beat defenders to a spot. You mean like, ..I don't know, blowing right by Dwight Howard literally leaving him frozen and dunking???

Don't mistake fast with quick. Tyreke is quick and elusive.

 

[rhythmless]

He doesn't have the explosiveness to beat defenders to a spot. You mean like, ..I don't know, blowing right by Dwight Howard literally leaving him frozen and dunking???

Don't mistake fast with quick. Tyreke is quick and elusive.

LOL, you judge quickness by blowing by a guy with 6 inches and 50-70lbs over you?

 

[rhythmless]

Not sure a 20yo can work on jumping. I'd much rather have him working on that jumpshot. If he can consistently hit from 16-20ft, then he can score against Howard and other trees.

Plyometrics my friend, plyometrics. Anyone can work on jumping. If not at 20, then when?

 

[Vlade4GM]

Plyometrics my friend, plyometrics. Anyone can work on jumping. If not at 20, then when?

Plyometrics can only do so much and they really don't dramatically change your athletic ability. Generally athletic ability improves signfiicantly only when a player drops a lot of body fat or still has a lot of physical maturity to do (Dwight Howard from HS to now), and Tyreke doesn't have much body fat and is already very physically mature.

 

[Vlade4GM]

He doesn't have the explosiveness to beat defenders to a spot. You mean like, ..I don't know, blowing right by Dwight Howard literally leaving him frozen and dunking???

Don't mistake fast with quick. Tyreke is quick and elusive.

Dwight Howard is a center.

 

[DocHolliday]

LOL, you judge quickness by blowing by a guy with 6 inches and 50-70lbs over you?

The single most athletic center in the league, and one of teh most athletic people in the league period?? Yea, I do.

 

[DocHolliday]

Dwight Howard is a center.

See my post above.

 

[rhythmless]

Plyometrics can only do so much and they really don't dramatically change your athletic ability. Generally athletic ability improves signfiicantly only when a player drops a lot of body fat or still has a lot of physical maturity to do (Dwight Howard from HS to now), and Tyreke doesn't have much body fat and is already very physically mature.

All truths, but in the NBA we work in incrementals. That extra inch, that .2 seconds faster off the second jump, the ability to leap off one or two feet could be the difference b/t a championship and a temporary star.

Jump shot, 3pt range, decision making, peripheral vision, player awareness, utilization of player angles and ball angles, post game, and quicker to the jump. Not saying his explosiveness is the most important thing to work on, but I am saying it is an area he should be aware of. Even at full extension on his layups, Dwight was there, EASILY. It wasnt even a matter of Howard stretching to contest. Dwight swatted it with much ado about nothing.

 

[M_Barragan]

Dwight swats everything. He can catch the ball at apex. That's higher then anyone will ever reach. Tyreke does need to work on his vertical explosiveness. You can infact improve. His body is not done maturing quite yet though.

Rookie lebron looks nothing like 4th year lebron. Tyreke will be the same. He will push 230 when it's all said and done.

 

[AriesMar27]

well we all sort of knew that he wasnt a freak of nature athlete like gerald wallace or lebron. he will have problems against athletic teams, period... they might let him get to the rim just so that they can block the shot...

but he is more than athletic enough that it wont hinder him from becoming a good if not great player later on down the road. it hasnt hurt brandon roy or ray allen... though allen is one of the best shooters in nba history so i guess that doesnt count.

 

[Vlade4GM]

well we all sort of knew that he wasnt a freak of nature athlete like gerald wallace or lebron. he will have problems against athletic teams, period... they might let him get to the rim just so that they can block the shot...

but he is more than athletic enough that it wont hinder him from becoming a good if not great player later on down the road. it hasnt hurt brandon roy or ray allen... though allen is one of the best shooters in nba history so i guess that doesnt count.

Roy has those hops though. Regardless he's not a great player. I think Evans will be a very good player, but athleticism is really one thing you can't get better at with experience, so that limits his upside.