Hey Vivek, I miss playoff basketball!

[Bballkingsrock]

If you guys could ask Vivek Ranadive a few questions in a nice and polite manner (so you won't get kicked out by his security), what would you guys ask?

 

[Uk kings fan]

That's why it strikes me as some of our fan base coming across as a wounded animal. There's a real lack of pride. There's a real acceptance of being second fiddle, of being mediocre. Having one's own opinion on it is one thing, suggesting the problem lies with those who do have a problem with it however is delusional in the world of sports.

The opinions of a few fans on this forum is quite tepid compared to what it would be elsewhere.

I asked my wife what would happen if the owner of her Euro soccer club in Levski went and watched/celebrated with their crosstown rivals CSKA and she didn't hesitate in saying his house would be burned down. She laughed, said it'd be a death wish. Exaggerating, but the greater point is it's flat out not acceptable other places. Imagine if the Man United owner went and took in a Man City UCL match simply to support and enjoy the match.

I really do agree with the bit in bold, we shouldn't have to accept crap like this from the owner, who lets be honest attempted to turn our team into the Warriors for quite along time and ruined our season personally.

Knowing Russian football fans its not an exaggeration at all! other sports teams across the world would do similar. Yes its messed up and im not advocating it obviously but its also messed up that our owner is cheering on another team.

I honestly believed that photo was photoshopped and scrolled straight past it when I saw it on this thread!

 

[kingsnation]

Both the fans and Cuz should have more important things to worry about than what some billionaire is doing in his free time in particular when it's nothing illegal or anything that effects them in slightest way. Serious people just look for things to ***** about all the time.

Is there really nothing more important to think/complain about than what our owner (a massive BASKETBALL FAN) does with 2 hours of his night?

When I'm devoting my hard earned money and my much valued time to that owners product and he expects me to keep investing in his product, then yes I can worry about and nitpick anything I please about him or the team.

 

[Henkel]

Yeah, there's a lack of perspective by those suggesting some here are overreacting and I wonder if they watch any sports outside the secluded Sac market and our cub scout level media(we're also talking about it as we're not in the playoffs and there's nothing else to talk about). If an owner pulled this shtick in a place like NY or Boston, fans would be in an uproar. And as to your example, if it happened any number of places in Europe with soccer, the owner would need a small army to ensure his personal safety afterwards.

That's why it strikes me as some of our fan base coming across as a wounded animal. There's a real lack of pride. There's a real acceptance of being second fiddle, of being mediocre. Having one's own opinion on it is one thing, suggesting the problem lies with those who do have a problem with it however is delusional in the world of sports.

The opinions of a few fans on this forum is quite tepid compared to what it would be elsewhere.

I asked my wife what would happen if the owner of her Euro soccer club in Levski went and watched/celebrated with their crosstown rivals CSKA and she didn't hesitate in saying his house would be burned down. She laughed, said it'd be a death wish. Exaggerating, but the greater point is it's flat out not acceptable other places. Imagine if the Man United owner went and took in a Man City UCL match simply to support and enjoy the match.

What a bunch if crap. How can you point to a lack of perspective when you casually condone behavior that should be indefensible if one takes a human or moral perspective? I also resent the implications that not caring about this is a reflection of self worth. If you can't recognize why some people don't think this a big deal, then at least do me the favor of not assigning motivation. Especially when plenty of people have plainly laid out their rational for not giving a crap.

 

[kingsnation]

Vivek used the excuse that he wants us to "emulate" the Warriors style or something like that.. Well guess what? I want Cousins to emulate Tim Duncan but I sure as heck don't want him sitting court side at Spurs games during the playoffs.

 

[lawlman91]

This is about Loyalty! Cuz gets that Vivek doesn't.

This exactly. It's not illegal for Vivek to do what he's doing, nor is it wrong. It's just dishonorable, period.

 

[rainmaker]

Yet people who would respond to this perceived affront with personal violence, assault, and arson upon the owner are put forward as "normal" people.

Messed.
Up.

I don't remember suggesting those engaging in such behavior were "normal". What I do remember suggesting is that by comparison to what'd you see elsewhere, reaction here is tepid.

What a bunch if crap. How can you point to a lack of perspective when you casually condone behavior that should be indefensible if one takes a human or moral perspective? I also resent the implications that not caring about this is a reflection of self worth. If you can't recognize why some people don't think this a big deal, then at least do me the favor of not assigning motivation. Especially when plenty of people have plainly laid out their rational for not giving a poopoo.

It would help this discussion if you could read.

One, I didn't condone the behavior.

Two, I didn't say not caring about it is a problem, I said the problem is with those who think having a problem with it is a problem, which comes across as having a lack of pride and being a wounded animal. That some fans seem to think the issue is with those who have a reaction to their owner watching and supporting another team courtside, is embarrassing, especially after the abomination of a season we just had. If you disagree with that, then disagree, but at least understand the argument.

BTW, the challenge remains for someone link evidence suggesting other owners do the same. I've never seen such a thing before.

 

[IfAt1st]

Here's another wrinkle:
Vivek being courtside at the Warriors playoff game is yet another sign of him being celebrity-driven, in-it-for-himself mentality.
He appears to not give a crap about the fans, about how it would look if he pines over the Warriors' success -
he only cares about getting his jollies hanging out with San Fran power elite.

Look, it cuts both ways - now that Vivek has shown where his priorities lie (himself before the team and fans), then he'd better damn well not throw out any of that "We know what you Kings fans want and we're doing this for you" crap they pulled this past year that torpedoed our team's success.
He can't be hobnobbing with Warriors pals and then turn around and be the Kings leader.
It doesn't work like that.

He has shown his true colors - and they are Vivek colored. Dude only cares about his jollies.

 

[IfAt1st]

Yeah, there's a lack of perspective by those suggesting some here are overreacting and I wonder if they watch any sports outside the secluded Sac market and our cub scout level media(we're also talking about it as we're not in the playoffs and there's nothing else to talk about). If an owner pulled this shtick in a place like NY or Boston, fans would be in an uproar.

I'm curious -
to those of you who have a view of other cities' media......

... in NY or Boston, etc are there radio stations that cover their sports team(s) that aren't owned by the team?
The conflict of interest here in Sacramento makes this a whitewashed/censored region for Kings media coverage.
Who's going to actually raise a torch about fan issues like these in Sacramento (as opposed to other cities)?

The Bee gets way too much support from the Kings to be a critical, independent, voice.
Even sites like SacTownRoyalty get invites and special treatment from the Kings, right? So they don't want that access to go away, so would they criticize an owner for this kind of behavior?

 

[King Baller]

I'm curious, how many of you are watching the NBA Playoffs? As for me I record them all and watch some portion of every game. But often just the last 5 to 8 minutes.

Am I somehow a disgrace because of this?

Should Vivek turn down the court side seats and stay home? Would you?

 

[Chubbs]

I guess people should go to STR if they can't handle very much legit criticism of Vivek because ZERO comments have an issue with this there. ZERO!

Oh wait, what's this? They have a "I wish I could trust Vivek Ranadive" thread going right now where there is much discussion of Vivek's ongoing warriors obsession? Hmm, interesting.

Not sure why mods continue to choose to belittle the opinions of others and try to make opinions seem "unusual". What fan on earth wants their owner cheering on another team? Personally, I'm not that angry. It's like the 20th worst thing Vivek has done. But it's another thing.

As Bob Dylan said, "When something's not right, it's wrong." It's just so clueless of him to think this is fine.

Oh, he wore purple. Nevermind, it's ok.

Well done as always. Not sure what on earth the motivation is to constantly silence the critics here. The irony is that it takes a thread that would have died a quick death and turns it into another battle.

 

[Chubbs]

I'm curious, how many of you are watching the NBA Playoffs? As for me I record them all and watch some portion of every game. But often just the last 5 to 8 minutes.

Am I somehow a disgrace because of this?

Should Vivek turn down the court side seats and stay home? Would you?

Um, if he didn't pay for that seat, then this is even worse. Are you suggesting he's there as a guest of the warriors?

Holy cow.

 

[rainmaker]

I guess people should go to STR if they can't handle very much legit criticism of Vivek because ZERO comments have an issue with this there. ZERO!

Oh wait, what's this? They have a "I wish I could trust Vivek Ranadive" thread going right now where there is much discussion of Vivek's ongoing warriors obsession? Hmm, interesting.

Yeah I saw that too after the suggestion folks at STR aren't complaining about Vivek at the GS games. It's true, they aren't, but they're going on and on about not being able to trust him.

What it boils down to for me is a fan base who really isn't happy with Vivek. Here we're discussing the GS games, on STR, the complete lack of trust in the guy and how he's helped ruin our season, how dysfunctional our FO is under his leadership. Would the preference be to discuss that here instead? Would that be received any better? I'd say no given previous conversations here.

 

[Livinthedream]

Vivek used the excuse that he wants us to "emulate" the Warriors style or something like that.. Well guess what? I want Cousins to emulate Tim Duncan but I sure as heck don't want him sitting court side at Spurs games during the playoffs.

How would Vivek like it if we started emulating Warriors fans and bought season tickets to their games instead. Makes sense to me. Quality team and organization within driving distance. They even have a shiny new arena in the works.

 

[Henkel]

It would help this discussion if you could read.

One, I didn't condone the behavior.

Two, I didn't say not caring about it is a problem, I said the problem is with those who think having a problem with it is a problem, which comes across as having a lack of pride and being a wounded animal. That some fans seem to think the issue is with those who have a reaction to their owner watching and supporting another team courtside, is embarrassing, especially after the abomination of a season we just had. If you disagree with that, then disagree, but at least understand the argument.

BTW, the challenge remains for someone link evidence suggesting other owners do the same. I've never seen such a thing before.

People "having a problem" with your rational for going after Vivek shouldn't have some bullcrap motivation assigned to them. That's my point, which if you could read should be clear.

 

[kingsnation]

I'm curious, how many of you are watching the NBA Playoffs? As for me I record them all and watch some portion of every game. But often just the last 5 to 8 minutes.

Am I somehow a disgrace because of this?

Should Vivek turn down the court side seats and stay home? Would you?

If I were a billionaire owner of another sports franchise, you bet I would turn them down! You wanna know why? Because I'm the face and owner of ANOTHER SPORTS FRANCHISE. Oh and theoretically because of my position as FACE AND OWNER of another sports franchise, I would have the knowledge to understand that being there would pee off a bunch of my teams' fans/customers. The question is, why didn't Vivek understand that? Or just not care to?

 

[Spike]

Something more germane to this discussion would be examples of minority owners of another team becoming a majority owner of another team...honestly, I can't really think of an example. That might help inform the discussion a little better. We

I will give him (or his PR peeps) some credit for at least showing up in purple...but it's still an awkward thing all around.

 

[Capt. Factorial]

Not sure why mods continue to choose to belittle the opinions of others and try to make opinions seem "unusual".

I think I should make it clear that being a mod has nothing to do with it. Any opinions that I have disagreed with in this thread, I have disagreed with in my capacity as a website participant and not as a moderator. As Slim has pointed out several times, we too should have the ability to participate in discussions and to hold opinions of our own that lie outside of our roles as mods. If it becomes necessary to step into my role as a mod and curtail the discussion, I will make it quite obvious that I am acting in the moderator role.

 

[bajaden]

Maybe I shouldn't post this, but I'm rooting for the Warriors, and I'm actually watching their games. Now if the Kings were in the playoff's, then I wouldn't be rooting for the Warriors. But I was a Warrior fan long before I was a Kings fan, which in no way affects my loyalty to the Kings. The Kings aren't my country, that I put on a uniform and go out and fight for. Their just a team that I root for. If you watch enough playoff games, you'll see players from teams not in the playoffs attending the games of those that are. Are they being disloyal to their own team? No, of course not. They have friends all over the NBA and they like playoff basketball. Am I upset that Vivek attended a Warrior game? Frankly Scarlett, I don't give a damm. He used to be part owner, and I'm sure he still has a lot of friends there. And, his team isn't in the playoffs. Now if you want to ***** about that, then I'm on board. But not because he went to a Warrior game. What, he's not allowed to go to any other NBA games except the Kings. What a bunch of crap.

I've see the riots that happen at soccer games in europe and south america. I wouldn't hold that up as an image that I endorse. I've seen soccer ref's being chased on the field and beaten because of a call the fans didn't like. Is this where were going with this? You don't like the actions of someone, so we beat him up, or burn down their house? Seriously? I'll be honest. I don't understand the thinking of some of the people on this forum. Was I upset with the way Vivek handled a lot of the things this past season? Damm right. Do I hate Vivek? No, not by a longshot. All I can do is hope that he learns from his mistakes. He's a bright guy, so I suspect he will, and I'm willing to wait and see. For now. In the meantime, I'm not going to look at everything he does and be critical of it. If he wants to go to a Warrior game, fine! I could care less. If you think that makes me less of a fan, then fine, I could care less.

 

[Bricklayer]

This exactly. It's not illegal for Vivek to do what he's doing, nor is it wrong. It's just dishonorable, period.

I've been largely staying out of this, but I think this simple little one liner sums it up pretty much.

Basically if I were the owner of the Warriors let's say, and the Kings made the playoffs and we did not, I would NOT show up or accept courtside seats from the Kings just out of respect for my fans. If I own a team I am that team's face. I never EVER want to be seen in a light as a little brother/weaker party to anyone. We're trying to smash these guys, not join them. If I ever did do something like that you can bet it would be for a single game, and accompanied by a blitz of "wanted to check out the playoff atmpsphere, planning to bring that home to you soon Warriors fans!" bravado. Its just unseemly.

Now in my case there would be no question about the competitiveness part. But with Vivek of course the additional factor is just the almost inescapable conclusion that this is kind of a geeky guy who discovered basketball maybe a decade ago, fell in with a cool crowd buying the Warriors, really had fun with the party atmosphere, and then got roped into buying the Kings where things are not as fun. So he starts showing up courtside with the Warriors its got the additional flavor of wannabeness to it.

 

[bajaden]

I guess people should go to STR if they can't handle very much legit criticism of Vivek because ZERO comments have an issue with this there. ZERO!

Oh wait, what's this? They have a "I wish I could trust Vivek Ranadive" thread going right now where there is much discussion of Vivek's ongoing warriors obsession? Hmm, interesting.

Not sure why mods continue to choose to belittle the opinions of others and try to make opinions seem "unusual". What fan on earth wants their owner cheering on another team? Personally, I'm not that angry. It's like the 20th worst thing Vivek has done. But it's another thing.

As Bob Dylan said, "When something's not right, it's wrong." It's just so clueless of him to think this is fine.

Oh, he wore purple. Nevermind, it's ok.

Well done as always. Not sure what on earth the motivation is to constantly silence the critics here. The irony is that it takes a thread that would have died a quick death and turns it into another battle.

Look, you have the right to feel how ever you want about Vivek going to a Warrior game. Personally, I don't have a problem with it. As I stated in another post, I'm rooting for the Warriors to win the whole thing. I'm an ex-Warrior fan, and what the hell, their right down the road. So their almost like cousins. So it would be hypocritical of me to criticize Vivek, who used to be part owner of that team for doing the same thing. Hell, I think he even lives in the bay area. This is only a big deal if you want it to be. Other than that, its a lot of wasted energy, and personally, I've got better things to do than be upset by this kind of nonsense. But feel free to do so if it makes you feel better.

 

[bajaden]

I've been largely staying out of this, but I think this simple little one liner sums it up pretty much.

Basically if I were the owner of the Warriors let's say, and the Kings made the playoffs and we did not, I would NOT show up or accept courtside seats from the Kings just out of respect for my fans. If I own a team I am that team's face. I never EVER want to be seen in a light as a little brother/weaker party to anyone. We're trying to smash these guys, not join them. If I ever did do something like that you can bet it would be for a single game, and accompanied by a blitz of "wanted to check out the playoff atmpsphere, planning to bring that home to you soon Warriors fans!" bravado. Its just unseemly.

Now in my case there would be no question about the competitiveness part. But with Vivek of course the additional factor is just the almost inescapable conclusion that this is kind of a geeky guy who discovered basketball maybe a decade ago, fell in with a cool crowd buying the Warriors, really had fun with the party atmosphere, and then got roped into buying the Kings where things are not as fun. So he starts showing up courtside with the Warriors its got the additional flavor of wannabeness to it.

You and I disagree on this, and that's fine. Its what makes the world go around. It doesn't make either of us right or wrong. Of course we both think were right. But because we disagree doesn't mean I hate you, or dislike you or will never talk to you again. It's to the degree of the anger displayed by some, that I have a problem. And of course I'm not talking about you. You think Vivek is disloyal and I simply don't care. If we left it at that, everything is fine. But when I say, I simply don't care, and then someone starts calling me disloyal or other names, which they haven't, yet, then it crosses the line. I'm not a pitchfork and torch guy. I care more about substance than I do image. I care more about results than I do promises. And on those two things, I can find plenty to get upset about. But about Vivek going to a Warrior game and enjoying himself? Naw, not so much...

 

[PBNJ85]

I was a a W fan before the Ks and hope they win it all this year as well Bajaden BUT for an owner to do so is as others have stated dishonerable

 

[bajaden]

I was a a W fan before the Ks and hope they win it all this year as well Bajaden BUT for an owner to do so is as others have stated dishonerable

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Much ado about nothing to me... I guess I hold honor to a different standard.

 

[bajaden]

I think I should make it clear that being a mod has nothing to do with it. Any opinions that I have disagreed with in this thread, I have disagreed with in my capacity as a website participant and not as a moderator. As Slim has pointed out several times, we too should have the ability to participate in discussions and to hold opinions of our own that lie outside of our roles as mods. If it becomes necessary to step into my role as a mod and curtail the discussion, I will make it quite obvious that I am acting in the moderator role.

Hey, your not a Capt for nothing.....

 

[Spike]

Hey, your not a Capt for nothing.....

"Private Factorial" just didn't have the same ring to it.

 

[PBNJ85]

We'll just have to agree to disagree. Much ado about nothing to me... I guess I hold honor to a different standard.

Replace dishonorable with tacky then?

 

[Kingster]

It's like you guys don't even pay attention sometimes. A healthy Gay and Cousins is a strong enough combo to take on the West. The rest needs work, but Malone proved it could be done. Even Karl proved we could take it to Memphis.

We have the main pieces in place. We need the right tweaks, but not an overhaul.

I'd like to believe that, but I'm dubious. Cousins, Gay and IT were .500 - until one or more got injured and then they weren't. Cousins, Gay, and Collison were I'm guessing around .500 until one or more got injured or ill and then they weren't. If the trio of Cousins, Gay and Collison remains in tact for next year, maybe it's too much to ask for them to be 100% healthy for the whole year. I'm still in the camp that this team a lot more than a tweak here, an addition there.

 

[Kingster]

Is it too much to ask from this organization that they can tell us where the buck stops on the draft? Who has the final say? Or it just going to be another intrigue that we have to find out after the fact? It's just frustrating...

 

[LPKingsFan]

Is it too much to ask from this organization that they can tell us where the buck stops on the draft? Who has the final say? Or it just going to be another intrigue that we have to find out after the fact? It's just frustrating...

I'm not sure we really need to know the mechanics of their decision making, nor am I convinced we "found out" anything from a likely highly-edited video from Grantland.