Hey Uhh Dirk Opted out....

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I don't normally throw ideas out there but I just read that Dirk opted out of his contract.

Would anybody have any interest in a Reke/Dirk pairing? I know he's Spencers idol and all, but I'd think Dirk and Cousins would be quite the potent front court combo in a weird way, you have Dirks ability to stretch the floor and dude can grab rebounds. I've never seen Dirk as a true number one option, as I don't think mentally he has the killer instinct but he has been shooting the lights out for years now.

I even think we'd have the pieces necessary to do a S/T with Dallas as well.

Any takers?:cool:
 
hmm.
Cousins/Dalembert
Nowitzki/Thompson/Whiteside
Greene/Casspi
Beno/Garcia
Reke/Beno

thats definitely a playoff team maybe more..
 
Supposedly he wants to re-sign with the Mavs now so that he can get a 4 year, $96M deal before the CBA changes things. And the guy's 32.

I like Dirk, but I don't ever want us to have a 36 year old, who is making $24M/yr, on our roster.
 
Hmmm....another player that wants to get his money now, before the new CBA next year.

Edit: Fnordius beat me to it. Plus he was nice enough to add the terms Dirk wants...ugh.
 
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Christ 4 years at 96 mil for a 32 year old is steep as hell, ugh that changes the whole idea. Ive always viewed Dirk as a guy that wanted to win and at 32 he doesn't have much time left. He does however have a few things going for him that as he ages he could still be a very valuable piece to a team.

1. Not really injury prone- Outside of a couple ankle tweaks here and there I've never heard of this dude missing games with anything long term, he's got both his ACLs still as well thats always a plus.

2. Game isn't based off athetlitcism- This guy could light up NBA gyms until he's 38 I think as his fadeaway and overall jumper is unguardable.

But definately if he wants 96 mil he can surely get that somewhere else, but I don't think he would of opted out of Dallas if he wants MORE money to lose. I know Cuban has deep pockets but that squad is not a winner if Dirk wants more money, more of these guys gotta be like Carmello Anthony. He takes LESS than he is worth to make sure than Denver can build a winner around him.
 
NoBonus said:
I would pay him if I were the Kings even at 32... if he can play SF...
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I think if this were to work you'd keep Dirk at the 4, prob move Landry or Thompson the Dirk at 3 experiment ended promptly after his rookie season:)

Idk a combo of Dirk and Cousins front court with JT and Whiteside of the bench would be a real nice fit, the more I think about this I'd be all about it becoming reality. If there was one of these FA's that is a nice fit for this team it's Dirk.
 
I really hope Dirk moves on from the Mavs. If they were going to win it they would have done it already but they continue to fail in the playoffs. A Dirk-Reke pairing would be totally ridiculous. An unstoppable penetrator with an ungaurdable shooter... if not for our inexperience we'd probably morph into at least a second round playoff team instantly. If we were able to get a few more vets in FA after Dirk then we would be set. Though, when the time came where Dirk would have to leave or retire we'd be screwed because we wouldn't have enough money to sign anyone to replace him. We'd be stuck in a limbo unless we pulled off a Lakers trade...which wouldn't happen.
 
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He's not right for us. By the time that contract is getting toward its end, and Dirk's firmly in decline, we have to resign all of our young guys, and at least one is getting a max contract. Also, he's been on some very talented teams, and so far hasn't been able to win a championship. Why would we be any different? Furthermore, Dirk's an alpha-dog, and we don't want him coming in and messing with the head's of our young team, and especially our alpha-dog.

I know it sucks, but we've basically just have to stand pat and wait this thing out. We're going to get better...a lot better, but it's going to take time. This rebuild is going the route of OKC, not Boston.
 
Has anyone ever thought that the reason Dallas hasnt won it is BECAUSE of Dirk? He doesnt do the things you want a bigman to do in the playoffs.
 
Widowmaker2k said:
He's not right for us. By the time that contract is getting toward its end, and Dirk's firmly in decline, we have to resign all of our young guys, and at least one is getting a max contract. Also, he's been on some very talented teams, and so far hasn't been able to win a championship. Why would we be any different? Furthermore, Dirk's an alpha-dog, and we don't want him coming in and messing with the head's of our young team, and especially our alpha-dog.

I know it sucks, but we've basically just have to stand pat and wait this thing out. We're going to get better...a lot better, but it's going to take time. This rebuild is going the route of OKC, not Boston.
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I'm all for the OKC rebuilding route as I think these guys we currently have can do it with this same roster like it is for another season or two. I def don't wanna add a contract for the sake of adding a contract as I would be more than opposed to hearing any Bosh, Boozer or Rudy Gay talk.

However in regards to Dirk I don't think he's the problem the teams he has been on never won. He's never ever not shown up for a playoff series I just don't think he's had the right coaching situations or teammates to get over the hump. I'm definately not saying this Kings team is it, but Dirk Nowitzki is a winner and I really hope he doesn't retire ringless. He also doesn't come off like an Alpha Dog I think he comes off the exact opposite and that maybe why he might of opted out so he could go somewhere and do his thing without the stress of having to have all the blame in the end.
 
If Cuban offers Dirk 24 million/year over 4 years, he is crazier than I think.....and I think he is pretty crazy.
 
Yeah he's just doing it to get the bigger deal with Dallas now instead of waiting to see what happens with the CBA.
 
Kingstime said:
I don't normally throw ideas out there but I just read that Dirk opted out of his contract.

Would anybody have any interest in a Reke/Dirk pairing? I know he's Spencers idol and all, but I'd think Dirk and Cousins would be quite the potent front court combo in a weird way, you have Dirks ability to stretch the floor and dude can grab rebounds. I've never seen Dirk as a true number one option, as I don't think mentally he has the killer instinct but he has been shooting the lights out for years now.

I even think we'd have the pieces necessary to do a S/T with Dallas as well.

Any takers?:cool:
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No thank you. Dirk is a very good player who wants to win now, but will be on his way down when this team hits it's stride. I also highly doubt that he is ready to play second fiddle to a second year player, which is what he would have to do on the Kings IMO. This is Tyreke's team. The only players that could come to the Kings and change that are LaBron and Wade. I would include Kobe, but his game is already starting to fade so he wouldn't be the man for much longer IMO.
 
According to Marc Stein of ESPN, Paul Pierce has now opted out as well. I dont know about you guys, but im just hoping that guys like Boozer, Dirk, and Amare head out to the East coast. Makes things that much easier for us in terms of our future in my opinion.
 
An obvious no on Dirk. Why would this team of all teams want a 34 yr old PF?

The upcoming new CBA has everybody spooked. I hope I never see another offseason like this one. People say its "fun", but its really not to see all these franchise players pulling up stakes and heading out onto the open market. Dirk should retire a Mav. Pierce should retire a Celtic, in particular after they went out and sold the farm to bring him the guys he needed to get his ring. Having Cleveland and Toronto stripped of their superstars is a spectacularly bad precedent for us. And having packs of free agents holding clandestine meetings to decide who goes where and who wins the next title is just a spectacularly bad precedent for the league. Its just a mess.
 
Bricklayer said:
An obvious no on Dirk. Why would this team of all teams want a 34 yr old PF?

The upcoming new CBA has everybody spooked. I hope I never see another offseason like this one. People say its "fun", but its really not to see all these franchise players pulling up stakes and heading out onto the open market. Dirk should retire a Mav. Pierce should retire a Celtic, in particular after they went out and sold the farm to bring him the guys he needed to get his ring. Having Cleveland and Toronto stripped of their superstars is a spectacularly bad precedent for us. And having packs of free agents holding clandestine meetings to decide who goes where and who wins the next title is just a spectacularly bad precedent for the league. Its just a mess.
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Agreed.
 
Kingstime said:
. He also doesn't come off like an Alpha Dog I think he comes off the exact opposite and that maybe why he might of opted out so he could go somewhere and do his thing without the stress of having to have all the blame in the end.
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Which is also why he is ringless.

Dirk is a strictly second tier superstar. He doesn't consistently control the action all over the floor the way a LeBron does. He has consistently upped his game in the playoffs, which is to be commended. Unfortunately his game has never been good enough or of the right stlye to be the #1 guy on a title team, and his lack of passing and alpha dog whip snapping means that his teams have had to look to others for leadership.
 
Bricklayer said:
Which is also why he is ringless.

Dirk is a strictly second tier superstar. He doesn't consistently control the action all over the floor the way a LeBron does. He has consistently upped his game in the playoffs, which is to be commended. Unfortunately his game has never been good enough or of the right stlye to be the #1 guy on a title team, and his lack of passing and alpha dog whip snapping means that his teams have had to look to others for leadership.
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I agree about Dirk, to the extent he is a 2nd tier star, and won't carry a team to the promised land. Wouldn't help us either. Wrong guy at the wrong time. However, I do think he's a better pf than anyof the other guys on the market right now. I like Dirk more than Bosh, Amare, or Boozer, and it really isn't close. I see him as a far superior player to all three. For the most part, you can forget about Amare and Boozer in the 4th quarter, and when was the last time Bosh carried a team to a win?

Would he fit here? No. I don't think he's leaving Dallas anyway. But I do consider him to be the 3rd best FA this summer, behind Lebron Wade, age aside.
 
Bricklayer said:
Which is also why he is ringless.

Dirk is a strictly second tier superstar. He doesn't consistently control the action all over the floor the way a LeBron does. He has consistently upped his game in the playoffs, which is to be commended. Unfortunately his game has never been good enough or of the right stlye to be the #1 guy on a title team, and his lack of passing and alpha dog whip snapping means that his teams have had to look to others for leadership.
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And it's not just his mentality and leadership. He's not the kind of player who can be the #1 guy on a championship team. When things are falling apart, he can't take over with his defense, or playmaking, or rebounding, etc. He's a shooter/scorer. He's very good at what he does well, but you can't lean on him to take over games if his shot isn't wet. He's a #2 guy for that reason. He impacts the game in very few ways at an elite level. He would be a great #2 alongside a player like Wade.
 
rainmaker said:
I agree about Dirk, to the extent he is a 2nd tier star, and won't carry a team to the promised land. Wouldn't help us either. Wrong guy at the wrong time. However, I do think he's a better pf than anyof the other guys on the market right now. I like Dirk more than Bosh, Amare, or Boozer, and it really isn't close. I see him as a far superior player to all three. For the most part, you can forget about Amare and Boozer in the 4th quarter, and when was the last time Bosh carried a team to a win?

Would he fit here? No. I don't think he's leaving Dallas anyway. But I do consider him to be the 3rd best FA this summer, behind Lebron Wade, age aside.
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I agree. Dirk is more superior than Bosh, Amare, or Boozer. I also consider him as the 3rd best FA behind LBJ and Wade. He is one of the few 2nd tier Superstars who had brought his team to the NBA Finals but unfortunately fell 2 games short of winning it all. An accomplishment better than what our very own Chris Webber had accomplished. And this can probably and maybe because Dallas had been a far better organization in surrounding Dirk with the right kind of players to make it to the promised land.

If he can be had for 2-3 years and at a reasonable price, why not? It is well-worth while we wait for the younger players to develop some more.
 
Bricklayer said:
Which is also why he is ringless.

Dirk is a strictly second tier superstar. He doesn't consistently control the action all over the floor the way a LeBron does. He has consistently upped his game in the playoffs, which is to be commended. Unfortunately his game has never been good enough or of the right stlye to be the #1 guy on a title team, and his lack of passing and alpha dog whip snapping means that his teams have had to look to others for leadership.
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I see it differently.
Dirk had the same problem as Lebron in CLE-simply no team around him and no consistant second scorer.
This years playoffs proved again that when he needs to deliver he delivers but never receives enought support from his teammates.

Terry, Kidd, Butler, Marion etc. didnt show anything..
You cant win 1 on 5!
 
Bricklayer said:
The upcoming new CBA has everybody spooked. I hope I never see another off season like this one. People say its "fun", but its really not to see all these franchise players pulling up stakes and heading out onto the open market. Dirk should retire a Mav. Pierce should retire a Celtic, in particular after they went out and sold the farm to bring him the guys he needed to get his ring. Having Cleveland and Toronto stripped of their superstars is a spectacularly bad precedent for us. And having packs of free agents holding clandestine meetings to decide who goes where and who wins the next title is just a spectacularly bad precedent for the league. Its just a mess.
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I agree that this is a total mess, and really bad for the league. Stern and the league have had this coming for years though as they have made it a super-star driven league rather than a team-based league. It has almost gotten to the point if ask a young person who their favorite NBA team is they are likely to answer "Lebron James."

This summer's scenario will set the NBA back quite a few steps IMHO.
 
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